surprise, surprise ... CQ refuses to play Italy

[PersianLegion]

FOr the most part I agree with much of this post. I do want to add, that in my opinion we gain nothing from playing club teams, specially those like Orlando Pilates whose training pitch is worst than most of the pitches in Iran. While I see a point in travelling to these locations for conditioning reasons, I just can't see us not being able to get S. Africa NT to play us, particularly with CQ's connections...so why Orlando Pilates?

I also think we need to give respect to top teams. Of course, we would love to see Brazil's best lineup match our boys, but really, if you were Brazil, Germany, or even Russia, would you field your A team against Iran in a friendly in Dubai (where weather is not always ideal)? Most likely not. But playing Brazil B is probably better than 85% of the world teams regardless of A and B, and these matches can be confidence boosters if the results are favourable (as they were against Russia). So if the funds exists, such matches are not all bad. Plus the added bonus of playing such teams is the sponsorship revenues our broke federation can mop up.

I look at the success our Vball, Futsal, and Beach Soccer teams have had...and whether it's due to the nature of the tournaments, or whatever else, I notice they regularly face the "world's best" and have risen to become the world's best. TM can learn a lot from those 3 sports teams.

If you are looking for revenue for IFF play friendly games against Qatar, Singapore or Brunei Darussalm.

[O-ZoNe]

If you are looking for revenue for IFF play friendly games against Qatar, Singapore or Brunei Darussalm.

Not really the type of "revenue" I am looking for, since fans won't be attending that match, sponsors wouldn't give their name to such a match, and it would be a complete waste of our TM's time as those teams are Arab regional rivals (as Perspolis#1 indicated is a waste of our time) and the others are only shades better than Orlando Pirates (or maybe even not that good). Revenue is the 2nd bird of the "hit two birds with 1 stone" symbolism

I am hoping revenue generation is not all you took away from my post...that was just 1 minor example of why it isn't all bad to play quality nations like Brazil...

[Mr.Click]

Thats the point. Some members need to realize one match against Italy will not fix anything. Iran learned much more playing Guinea than we learned from playing Brazil in a sponsored friendly. We adapted our team to African stamina levels after the friendly and got a point against Nigeria. If we play teams one or two levels above us consistently our players benefit far more. Imagine if we played Ghana and Croatia as well before the WC. We would have taken Bosnia the last game and finished Nigeria off when they aimlessly passed around in the second half.
Teams we gain nothing from playing: All Middle East Arabs bar UAE(Arab slow pace of play makes us slower.), any eastern african country, SouthEast Asian teams, one times versus a nation with a B team after we pay 1.5 million.
Teams we do gain a lot from:
1) West Africa(Ghana, Ivory Coast, Nigeria, etc), all of North Africa(Egypt is always good/Algeria smoked South Korea),
2) Virtually ANY team from CONMEBOL ( we arent paying Chile 1.5 million) and top CONCACAF sides(Mexico, Costa Rica, Honduras),
3) Any team from Europe's top 30 nations. ( we couldnt beat Albania so lets focus on getting a flowing game against Montenegro/Albania first)
4) The Asian atypicals: China/Japan/Uzbekistan/Korea Republic/ Australia. The other teams are below TM by more than one level and only disrupt us practicing PASSING.
5) CAFF: Solely to respect the organization and find new players. On Non Fifa days we could arrange games where Taremi, Sharifi and co get so much experience in a TM shirt. Prive themselves there and CQ WILL bump them to the main squad

sure, but the three countries you mentioned are not 2 levels above us, therefore, and based on your conclusion playing them will not benefit us much,..unless you really think that they are at least 2 levels above us

[rugs]

that in my opinion we gain nothing from playing club teams, specially those like Orlando Pilates whose training pitch is worst than most of the pitches in Iran.

But can you concede the point that maybe something is gained but because you (general you) are not a professional football manager you don't see it or understand?

I think that is the point most people who are labelled "CQ lovers" are trying to make, that just maybe, the man who has been in professional football at the highest level knows a bit more than you. (again not you personally)

[O-ZoNe]

But can you concede the point that maybe something is gained but because you (general you) are not a professional football manager you don't see it or understand?

I think that is the point most people who are labelled "CQ lovers" are trying to make, that just maybe, the man who has been in professional football at the highest level knows a bit more than you. (again not you personally)

But I am a professional coach (licensed and all)...so maybe YOU (personal you) should stop assuming that all "CQ haters" don't know anything about football Other professional coaches, players, and federations have had issues with CQ as well, so it's not just the collective you. By your logic, because we are not all mechanics by training, none of us our qualified to work on cars? Guess what, while I am not a mechanic, I have restored 2 classic cars, and am currently rebuilding another...and my previous 2 restorations won top awards.

Every day, in all aspects of sports and life, people lend "expertise" to situations, so just because we all are not currently the coach of TM, we are not "qualified" enough to have an opinion? Is that Your opinion?

[irani8perspolis]

But I am a professional coach (licensed and all)...so maybe YOU (personal you) should stop assuming that all "CQ haters" don't know anything about football Other professional coaches, players, and federations have had issues with CQ as well, so it's not just the collective you. By your logic, because we are not all mechanics by training, none of us our qualified to work on cars? Guess what, while I am not a mechanic, I have restored 2 classic cars, and am currently rebuilding another...and my previous 2 restorations won top awards.

Every day, in all aspects of sports and life, people lend "expertise" to situations, so just because we all are not currently the coach of TM, we are not "qualified" enough to have an opinion? Is that Your opinion?

which club are you a part of my I ask?

[O-ZoNe]

which club are you a part of my I ask?

I coach a South West Ontario (Canada) Regional Team for U17 Women. We were Provincial champs in 2012 and National runners-up in 2013. I also coach at the varsity level as an assistant, but have not done so since 2008. Girls from our programs have made it to the olympic squad and national squad (although I have never had the priviledge of coaching any of them). So while I am not coaching a National Mens A squad, I am still active in the sport.

Of course my point is, we cannot call out people and say you do not have a right to an opinion or you must agree with CQ otherwise you are a CQ hater...in fact, most professional sports journalists have never had an "active" hand in the sport, yet if you look around the world, they do exactly as what we do here...sometimes correctly other times perhaps not. Just because CQ is our TM coach, he should not be given a blind pass to do as he wishes, and nor should we blindly follow him without voicing our opinions. At the world NT stage, we have had coaches with greater success than CQ (i.e., Miro Blazevic) and we didn't just blindly go with what they said. If we did, Ciro would have had to have hung himself (as he promised to do if he failed to take us to the WC). Yes CQ and others are "experts", but experts are human as well.

[rugs]

But I am a professional coach (licensed and all)...so maybe YOU (personal you) should stop assuming that all "CQ haters" don't know anything about football Other professional coaches, players, and federations have had issues with CQ as well, so it's not just the collective you. By your logic, because we are not all mechanics by training, none of us our qualified to work on cars? Guess what, while I am not a mechanic, I have restored 2 classic cars, and am currently rebuilding another...and my previous 2 restorations won top awards.
Every day, in all aspects of sports and life, people lend "expertise" to situations, so just because we all are not currently the coach of TM, we are not "qualified" enough to have an opinion? Is that Your opinion?

So you cannot concede the point that maybe your assumptions are incorrect because you coach a U-17 women's team?

I don't consider most of the IPL managers in Iran to be professional, let alone what you have described about yourself.

It just seems a bit silly to make statements like the one you did and not even consider that a professional football manager at the highest level might know more than you.

[rugs]

I coach a South West Ontario (Canada) Regional Team for U17 Women. We were Provincial champs in 2012 and National runners-up in 2013. I also coach at the varsity level as an assistant, but have not done so since 2008. Girls from our programs have made it to the olympic squad and national squad (although I have never had the priviledge of coaching any of them). So while I am not coaching a National Mens A squad, I am still active in the sport.
Of course my point is, we cannot call out people and say you do not have a right to an opinion or you must agree with CQ otherwise you are a CQ hater...in fact, most professional sports journalists have never had an "active" hand in the sport, yet if you look around the world, they do exactly as what we do here...sometimes correctly other times perhaps not. Just because CQ is our TM coach, he should not be given a blind pass to do as he wishes, and nor should we blindly follow him without voicing our opinions. At the world NT stage, we have had coaches with greater success than CQ (i.e., Miro Blazevic) and we didn't just blindly go with what they said. If we did, Ciro would have had to have hung himself (as he promised to do if he failed to take us to the WC). Yes CQ and others are "experts", but experts are human as well.

Lol, why are you victimizing yourself?

I am saying that, how can you not think for a second you that maybe you could be wrong when you are not a manager in "professional football at the highest level".

No one is saying do not question CQ. A question suggests that you are seeking an answer. This statement of yours does not suggest you are seeking an answer:

that in my opinion we gain nothing from playing club teams, specially those like Orlando Pilates whose training pitch is worst than most of the pitches in Iran.

That is why I asked, is it possible you could be wrong in your opinion since you are not a professional football manager at the highest level?

[PersianLegion]

[Abbas85]

This Doctor Doom guy is a grade A clown.

[O-ZoNe]

Lol, why are you victimizing yourself?
I am saying that, how can you not think for a second you that maybe you could be wrong when you are not a manager in "professional football at the highest level".
No one is saying do not question CQ. A question suggests that you are seeking an answer. This statement of yours does not suggest you are seeking an answer:
That is why I asked, is it possible you could be wrong in your opinion since you are not a professional football manager at the highest level?

Did you miss the part where I said even experts are human? Of course I could be wrong...just as it is possible for CQ to be wrong? Heck even Rugs get washed once in a while do they not (metaphor)? My point is just because I could be wrong, should I not share, question, and debate the merits of my argument?

You and others are tossing this "CQ lover hater" thing so willy nilly that it makes it seem you either hate CQ or you love him...but I neither hate him nor love him...but am I wrong in saying he has yet to deliver the goods? I mean we haven't won anything with CQ yet right? We can argue pros and cons about CQ until we are blue. But i distinctly recall even yourself siding with him and against him at different times.

But to say that we are not experts in football, or are not professional enough to comment on his tactics, selections, and so forth, to me that is the ultimately wrong. After all, everyone starts from the same place I trust my footballing knowledge enough and believe in what I am saying...you are not forced to be an O-Zone Lover or O-Zone Hater, so please do not force me to be a CQ lover or CQ hater.

BTW, we know CQ has been wrong in the past...the guy has been fired from other posts. No one is perfect. Everyone has a right to an opinion and in some cases, that opinion changes or varies depending on the circumstances. Yes I can be wrong, you can be wrong, and CQ has been and can be wrong.

[rugs]

Did you miss the part where I said even experts are human? Of course I could be wrong...just as it is possible for CQ to be wrong? Heck even Rugs get washed once in a while do they not (metaphor)? My point is just because I could be wrong, should I not share, question, and debate the merits of my argument?

You and others are tossing this "CQ lover hater" thing so willy nilly that it makes it seem you either hate CQ or you love him...but I neither hate him nor love him...but am I wrong in saying he has yet to deliver the goods? I mean we haven't won anything with CQ yet right? We can argue pros and cons about CQ until we are blue. But i distinctly recall even yourself siding with him and against him at different times.

But to say that we are not experts in football, or are not professional enough to comment on his tactics, selections, and so forth, to me that is the ultimately wrong. After all, everyone starts from the same place I trust my footballing knowledge enough and believe in what I am saying...you are not forced to be an O-Zone Lover or O-Zone Hater, so please do not force me to be a CQ lover or CQ hater.

BTW, we know CQ has been wrong in the past...the guy has been fired from other posts. No one is perfect. Everyone has a right to an opinion and in some cases, that opinion changes or varies depending on the circumstances. Yes I can be wrong, you can be wrong, and CQ has been and can be wrong.

Good, so you do concede.

Also, alaki sholoughesh nakon, I never said anyone was a CQ hater or lover nor did I say you couldn't express your opinion. I am just expressing mine.

All I said was maybe you don't understand and a professional football manager at the highest level might know a thing or two more about how to prepare his team, than you.

[Camran khan]

All I said was maybe you don't understand and a professional football manager at the highest level might know a thing or two more about how to prepare his team, than you.

Maybe in his case, but I'm pretty sure no one knows more about anything than me.

[Doctor DOOM]

So you cannot concede the point that maybe your assumptions are incorrect because you coach a U-17 women's team?
I don't consider most of the IPL managers in Iran to be professional, let alone what you have described about yourself.
It just seems a bit silly to make statements like the one you did and not even consider that a professional football manager at the highest level might know more than you.

Prime example of the mentality that has survived under VELAYATE FAGHIH. surrendering all your mind and thought to another to do your thinking and forming opinion. As if one is not capable of individual thought, assessment and deduction and is always looking at an authority to do all that for him!!!

Seed Ali must be very proud of you, I assume.