Iran - Chile: Post match discussion

[shahname]

[Kiarash]

Iran - Chile: Post match discussion

I was watching the game with my Spanish friend and he was very impressed by Iran's counter attacking football style.

He said that Iran can easily do well at the next World Cup (Round of 16) if they keep CQ and stay consistent.

You know your team delivered big time when your non-Irooni fans talk positively about Iran.

[nmssis]

Congrats for the win guys. We are playing fucking Uzbekistan

[PSGman#19]

the results can be easily explained by :

- Chile experimental team, players that aren't used to play together + their stronger players on the bench.
- CQ always the same players since one year : Gucci, dejagah, Ando, Neku, Shojaei, central defenders. players that are used to play together.

[ArminSh]

BTW for those that dont know - Chile played USA in January and used their B team against USA's strongest team and USA lost 3-2. I think that alone shows how strong our team is and how amazing this result was playing mostly against their A team. Lets not forget if Mena and Vidal didn't play, We didnt have Pooladi, Jahanbakhsh, Azmoun and Hajsafi neither

[Kiarash]

Congrats for the win guys. We are playing fucking Uzbekistan

Don't worry bro, just support our team against Sweden!

[PSGman#19]

BTW for those that dont know - Chile played USA in January and used their B team against USA's strongest team and USA lost 3-2. I think that alone shows how strong our team is and how amazing this result was playing mostly against their A team. Lets not forget if Mena and Vidal didn't play, We didnt have Pooladi, Jahanbakhsh, Azmoun and Hajsafi neither

Really disappointed Chile rest all their main starters + vidal non coming in.

[Afat11]

the results can be easily explained by :

- Chile experimental team, players that aren't used to play together + their stronger players on the bench.
- CQ always the same players since one year : Gucci, dejagah, Ando, Neku, Shojaei, central defenders. players that are used to play together.

Yeah, but explain this.

1.) Iran played a C team against Iraq with half the team starting for the first time in a friendly and won against Iraq's full squad in the friendly. Was winning the actual match too easily until Ben Williams raped us.

2.) Chile is a top 15 team, Mattias Fernandes, Claudio Bravo, Eduardo Vargas are playing in top flight teams, and still couldn't do shit. Don't discount our win, Chile's F team should beat our A team all-day if we are to believe that they are good enough to have their subs start on teams like Napoli, QPR, etc.

They fielded their B team because they thought they knew we were shit. The problem is, we aren't. Even when almost every top player other than Vidal was brought in, their attacks were still half-chances. You'd think in that 30-minutes of having fresh legs, they could have at least got 1 goal back.

They met the Iranian Wall and were stuck and didn't have Messi to bail them out like Argentina.

It pisses me off that some of you downplay our win so much. It's disrespectful to our boys.

[khodam]

Me ane the rest of ney sayers, let's sing it together: "I here by stand corrected."

[Bi-honar]

Bi-Honar, you trying to sound like you won is laughable. Predicting losses, just because you know you'll be proven wrong if they start playing the way YOU want them to. Yeah, CQ looked on PFDC and was like, "you know what, Bi-Honar is right, I need to attack more early in the game in my second to last match as coach."

No, Iran has played with this sense of urgency and poise in every match. We actually had very similar stats to most of our other games (low possession, low passing #'s, etc.) The difference with this game was, we scored early. When Iran scores early, we win.

We were extremely defensively minded today, but you are twisting into CQ just deciding to play like Brazil so you are happy. No, CQ has been building the same program for 4 years, and it's paid off. We always are rock solid in defense under CQ (which you CQ bashers seem to gloss over. Remember our glory days when we'd score 6 and concede 4?)

That's not what I implied at all that CQ was somehow reading PFDC and following me - lol. He obviously had nothing to lose in this game, so he threw caution to the wind and finally opted to play a more offensive and pressing game, at least in the 1st 60 minutes.

On that note, this was nothing like our other games and there's a reason we finally managed to get a decent result against a top 20 team in the world. Don't forget that in 48 previous games under CQ, we had only managed one win against a top 50 team in the world (going by FIFA average ranking for the year in which we played each team), and just 4 more wins against top 100 teams - with just one being against a non-Asian team! So, this was not in any way business as usual or a victory to be taken lightly.

So, what was so different about this game? For starters, he used a very modern attacking 4-1-3-2 formation (not the usual defensive 4-2-3-1) in the 1st 50-60 minutes of the game - which again some "CQ bashers" and armchair managers including myself had said in the past few days and weeks would be the best tactical formation for Iran with the talent pool that we have.

Amiri was more or less playing beside Gucci the way he would in a 4-3-3 formation - the only difference being that, we didn't have the 3rd forward. Ashkan played the role he normally plays in a 4-2-3-1 as did Masoud, except he was pushed more to the left side to allow Ando to fill the midfield role in front of Nekou and behind Gucci. Hell, even Nekou was given more of a free role to be offensive - you know what the last time was that Nekou scored against a half decent decent team?

But aside from formations, if you think we played the same game today that we did against the UAE, you should go back and watch both games. See how much room we gave in midfield to UAE vs. how much room we gave Chile in midfield in the 1st 60 minutes and how much more we pressed in this game and how much further up. Yes, in the last 30 minutes we played the same way we played before and we were standing on pretty shaky ground IMHO and there's no way we could have sustained that for the whole game.

We were extremely defensively minded today, but you are twisting into CQ just deciding to play like Brazil so you are happy. No, CQ has been building the same program for 4 years, and it's paid off. We always are rock solid in defense under CQ (which you CQ bashers seem to gloss over. Remember our glory days when we'd score 6 and concede 4?)

I think most people on this forum who watched the whole game would disagree with you that we were extremely defensive minded today. And I disagree with that too - we were anything but for the 1st 60 minutes. I don't recall having scored against a half decent teams on a counter-attack with 4 players committed to the play and two of them in line with the last man of the other team's defense (i.e. Amiri's goal).

The only issue in the past was player confidence. Today we played confident. You are extremely obtuse if you believe that we had some crazy new tactic today and it was all thanks to you and your CQ bashing. It makes you sound mentally ill, I'm sorry.

Oh no it's all fine to call someone mentally ill - I've learnt to enjoy the abuse from people who don't know how to make a point any other way!

I don't think there's any type of validity to your theory of spontaneous confidence! People don't gain or lose confidence overnight - it's a process. So,to say that for 4 years under CQ, our players had no confidence, but suddenly and magically they developed some confidence this morning, is a bit, to put it mildly ridiculous.

[Camran khan]

Congrats for the win guys. We are playing fucking Uzbekistan

Usually it is the other way around between South Korea and Iran

[Abtin]

Goals in HD:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=910263199025498

[Afat11]

That's not what I implied at all that CQ was somehow reading PFDC and following me - lol. He obviously had nothing to lose in this game, so he threw caution to the wind and finally opted to play a more offensive and pressing game, at least in the 1st 60 minutes.

On that note, this was nothing like our other games and there's a reason we finally managed to get a decent result against a top 20 team in the world. Don't forget that in 48 previous games under CQ, we had only managed one win against a top 50 team in the world (going by FIFA average ranking for the year in which we played each team), and just 4 more wins against top 100 teams - with just one being against a non-Asian team! So, this was not in any way business as usual or a victory to be taken lightly.

So, what was so different about this game? For starters, he used a very modern attacking 4-1-3-2 formation (not the usual defensive 4-2-3-1) in the 1st 50-60 minutes of the game - which again some "CQ bashers" and armchair managers including myself had said in the past few days and weeks would be the best tactical formation for Iran with the talent pool that we have.

Amiri was more or less playing beside Gucci the way he would in a 4-3-3 formation - the only difference being that, we didn't have the 3rd forward. Ashkan played the role he normally plays in a 4-2-3-1 as did Masoud, except he was pushed more to the left side to allow Ando to fill the midfield role in front of Nekou and behind Gucci. Hell, even Nekou was given more of a free role to be offensive - you know what the last time was that Nekou scored against a half decent decent team?

But aside from formations, if you think we played the same game today that we did against the UAE, you should go back and watch both games. See how much room we gave in midfield to UAE vs. how much room we gave Chile in midfield in the 1st 60 minutes and how much more we pressed in this game and how much further up. Yes, in the last 30 minutes we played the same way we played before and we were standing on pretty shaky ground IMHO and there's no way we could have sustained that for the whole game.




I think most people on this forum who watched the whole game would disagree with you that we were extremely defensive minded today. And I disagree with that too - we were anything but for the 1st 60 minutes. I don't recall having scored against a half decent teams on a counter-attack with 4 players committed to the play and two of them in line with the last man of the other team's defense (i.e. Amiri's goal).




Oh no it's all fine. A mental problem here would be assuming that players build or lose confidence overnight! That for 4 years under CQ, our players had no confidence, but suddenly and magically they developed some confidence this morning!

Just check the passing and possession stats... We were 30-60 again. Our passing was much lower than Chile's. We scored early though, and in the past, our team would always blow leads. It seemed like we were attacking a lot because we were counter attacking well. We were not building up our play and possessing the ball though. We did our normal game, but actually finished on the occasions we could.

You are confusing finishing with attacking football, they are completely distinct. We countered well, as we usually do.

If we would have scored one of those great opportunities against Argentina, we could have seen a similar result.

Again, the numbers don't lie. You're views are just tainted by the fact that we scored two, so you assume we were pressuring ultra-attack. We played defensive clear balls, as usual, but were more confident in the counter. That is all. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm happy with that, but you can deny the truth and think we went attacking today. The numbers disagree with you though.

[ArminSh]

Really disappointed Chile rest all their main starters + vidal non coming in.

Most of them did come in and had a good 30minutes to do something positive and they had like one chance when Sanchez crossed and the dude shot it wide diagonally. They just didnt know how to play against us , i'm thinking if all their starters was playing the whole game, this would have been a tie game. Their coach wanted to do a "experimental" squad til he went down and decided to get the good guys in. Sanchez played the entire second half btw.

[TheBoss]

can someone post the goals in spanish? arabic too, it would be funny. "Hadaf Iran, Alllllllahhhhhhh, Yosajel"