Commentary about Iranian fans by swedish players & few pictures

[shayan_esteghlali]

Is no one listening? This should not be a discussion on what flag is better, but a discussion on what flag to be used in the stadium.

I have no comments on what flag is better, nicer etc.

But i believe the current flag, the flag the team wears on their chests, the flag the team plays under, should be the flag used by fans in stadiums, the shir khorshid flag does not belong in the stadium

[Behzad12]

Is no one listening? This should not be a discussion on what flag is better, but a discussion on what flag to be used in the stadium.

I have no comments on what flag is better, nicer etc.

But i believe the current flag, the flag the team wears on their chests, the flag the team plays under, should be the flag used by fans in stadiums, the shir khorshid flag does not belong in the stadium

I tried, you tried, and Shah Abbas tried. Again, it's not about what flag is better/worst. All we're saying is unify ourselves in front of the rest of the world, and if you guys tell me waving what's officially recognized isn't the real flag to do it under, then I'm just going to stop right here. Clearly, FIFA is somewhat of an idiot then for having a law that tries to ban the shir-o-khorshid flag (and other non-official flags of today), I mean, what's wrong with FIFA for trying it's best to unify the supporters?

And please, comparing IR to ISIS?! Sigh...

[Camran khan]

Some team melli players might like the shir khorshid flag and accept it as their flag in their private lives, but im telling you none of them like seeing it in the stadium as it causes problems and dispute

what about CQ wearing a tie?

[Iran Doost]

I tried, you tried, and Shah Abbas tried. Again, it's not about what flag is better/worst. All we're saying is unify ourselves in front of the rest of the world, and if you guys tell me waving what's officially recognized isn't the real flag to do it under, then I'm just going to stop right here. Clearly, FIFA is somewhat of an idiot then for having a law that tries to ban the shir-o-khorshid flag (and other non-official flags of today), I mean, what's wrong with FIFA for trying it's best to unify the supporters?

And please, comparing IR to ISIS?! Sigh...

What's up with the "unify" obsession?

[euphory]

Is no one listening? This should not be a discussion on what flag is better, but a discussion on what flag to be used in the stadium.

I have no comments on what flag is better, nicer etc.

But i believe the current flag, the flag the team wears on their chests, the flag the team plays under, should be the flag used by fans in stadiums, the shir khorshid flag does not belong in the stadium

Sure lets support ir even more by showing their flag in a game which gets watched everywhere, the TEAM is not holy ok. Just because the team has ir flag doesn't mean people have to obey that, they can raise the real iranian flag if they want and not some flag which wasn't even democratically appointed between members of majles but rather a retard like khomeini just decided to change it to a something indian, arabic or whatever it means he wanted to.

[AllStarMomo]

So much BS in these Thread!
Shir o Khorshid our real Flag? BS
Shir o Khorshid Flag 3000 Years old? BS
The fight wo does like what flag? BS

The Real Flag



The symbol is about 1800 years old? And a green Flag with sun and lion is about 1500 years old. So please dont say that its 3000 years old.

AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG!

PS: AT THE END WE ALL ARE IRANIAN

[euphory]

Im fine with the above or the sun and lion, both looks dope and represent real Iranian and not some foreign writings on it like we have now. I really got pissed of by this arab guy where he said you love arabs even your flag is inspired by us, we own you lol, well i was pretty owned on that one lol.

[04041374]

Commentary about Iranian fans by swedish players & few pictures

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...%281964%29.svg

I think that's a flag noone would complain about

[Under Lahaf]

So much BS in these Thread!
Shir o Khorshid our real Flag? BS
Shir o Khorshid Flag 3000 Years old? BS
The fight wo does like what flag? BS
The Real Flag

The symbol is about 1800 years old? And a green Flag with sun and lion is about 1500 years old. So please dont say that its 3000 years old.
AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG!
PS: AT THE END WE ALL ARE IRANIAN

1- yes our first flag (that we know of) is this one, I say know of, because we did have kings and flags before Cyrus too.... know one knows for sure when our history began! and with which king? and lets not forget about the Medes...
2- someone uploaded the flag you posted to wikipedia, that is NOT exactly the flag with all those added colors; white green and red..there are some intentional design changes
3- let's not forget that back then we didn't have a "national identity" in the world. people were loyal to a king, lord, priest etc so flags would change at will and change of power...
4- A lot of people actually believe (now that we are talking about flags) that we should go back to "Derafsh Kaviani"; a flag from sassanid era, 2nd flag in the world other than Nepal's that is not rectangular. original format is iranian with our own colors. Problem with lion and sun is its sword which is bent (to my understanding it is an islamic sword and not straight & Iranain in nature). Also derafsh kavini would be the only flag with jewelry handing from it now how cool is that, bling bling Imagine marching down a stadium during olympics and you got all these golds and diamonds and rubies hanging from the flag Gangsta!
5- read Kasravi's book about the flag "Tarikh cheh yeh shir va khorshid". It's older than some of you think....

in summary; how far back do we want to go? Safavid? Afshari? Sassanid? Achaemenid? What if we go as far back as Achaemenid and then archaeologists and historians discover an even older flag belonging to the original Aryan tribe that came down to Iran? What about all the natives and their flag afterall we took over the land too ....

point is Flags aren't clothes, you can't change them at will as IR did, we have had the lion and sun for as far back as we remember...but if you really want to change go to Derafsh kaviani hang some jewelry on it and for added spice put the lion and sun in the middle of it!


Derafsh kaviani:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derafsh_Kaviani
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time to move this thread to the gen forum. not soccer related at all anymore

[Under Lahaf]

So much BS in these Thread!
Shir o Khorshid our real Flag? BS
Shir o Khorshid Flag 3000 Years old? BS
The fight wo does like what flag? BS

The Real Flag



The symbol is about 1800 years old? And a green Flag with sun and lion is about 1500 years old. So please dont say that its 3000 years old.

AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG!

PS: AT THE END WE ALL ARE IRANIAN [IMG]file:///C:\Users\SJAHAN~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\ 01\clip_image001.gif[/IMG]

1- yes our first flag (that we know of) is this one, I say know of, because we did have kings and flags before Cyrus too.... know one knows for sure when our history began! and with which king? and lets not forget about the Medes...
2- someone uploaded the flag you posted to wikipedia, that is NOT exactly the flag with all those added colors; white green and red..there are some intentional design changes
3- let's not forget that back then we didn't have a "national identity" in the world. people were loyal to a king, lord, priest etc so flags would change at will and change of power...
4- A lot of people actually believe (now that we are talking about flags) that we should go back to "Derafsh Kaviani"; a flag from sassanid era, 2nd flag in the world other than Nepal's that is not rectangular. original format is iranian with our own colors. Problem with lion and sun is its sword which is bent (to my understanding it is an islamic sword and not straight & Iranain in nature). Also derafsh kavini would be the only flag with jewelry handing from it now how cool is that, bling bling Imagine marching down a stadium during olympics and you got all these golds and diamonds and rubies hanging from the flag Gangsta!
5- read Kasravi's book about the flag "Tarikh cheh yeh shir va khorshid". It's older than some of you think....

in summary; how far back do we want to go? Safavid? Afshari? Sassanid? Achaemenid? What if we go as far back as Achaemenid and then archaeologists and historians discover an even older flag belonging to the original Aryan tribe that came down to Iran? What about all the natives and their flag afterall we took over the land too ....

point is Flags aren't clothes, you can't change them at will as IR did, we have had the lion and sun for as far back as we remember...but if you really want to change go to Derafsh kaviani hang some jewelry on it and for added spice put the lion and sun in the middle of it!


Derafsh kaviani:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derafsh_Kaviani
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time to move this thread to the gen forum. not soccer related at all anymore

[arseces]

So much BS in these Thread!
Shir o Khorshid our real Flag? BS
Shir o Khorshid Flag 3000 Years old? BS
The fight wo does like what flag? BS

The Real Flag



The symbol is about 1800 years old? And a green Flag with sun and lion is about 1500 years old. So please dont say that its 3000 years old.

AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG!

here is proof of the oldest artifact of shir o khorshid emblem that exists in hermitage museum in saint petersburg russia dating back to 3000~2400 years ago




when I waste my time to educate people I dont write BS. BS is what you wrote above . you dont have to thank me for free historic education!
if you dont have knowledge of some thing, ask!, dont call what you dont know BS

I hope everyone can share this picture for those that had no knowledge of it

[Under Lahaf]

^ i deleted mine? I dont think your post is directed towards me. something is wrong with the posts here i been trying to edit mine and correct it and it keeps failing. give me a minute. Read my post again, I am not against the lion and sun

[arseces]

^ i deleted mine? I dont think your post is directed towards me. something is wrong with the posts here i been trying to edit mine and correct it and it keeps failing. give me a minute. Read my post again, I am not against the lion and sun

sorry brother it was a mixup , I couldnt believe my eyes reading that I thought you wrote it as it came under your name initially in your reply , probably typo on the codes

[euphory]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...%281964%29.svg

I think that's a flag noone would complain about

dafuq man, that looks like the hungarian flag, why not just add our heritage to it of being 3000 years old, nothing to do with the shah. the sun and lion, favahar symbol have always represented our flag.

[Under Lahaf]

dafuq man, that looks like the hungarian flag, why not just add our heritage to it of being 3000 years old, nothing to do with the shah. the sun and lion, favahar symbol have always represented our flag.

Faravahar / Faravashi is a RELIGOUS symbol, SURE WE CAN have it as a flag but sorry to ruin many peoples ideas about Faravahar. I LOVE IT but it isn't 100% Iranian, in my opinion it was influenced by Assyria (a lot of achaemenid ideas were influenced from our older neighbors; whether is was assyria or babylonia in terms of symbols and even alphabet, credit is due were it is due... in this case assyria!)
for comparisons to Faravahar look at' "Ashur God"
1.jpg
Assyrian sun
http://symboldictionary.net/?p=690
here is the best one;
http://www.bible-history.com/sketche...ol-asshur.html
nothing wrong with wearing Faravahr but it is NOT 100% iranian compared to Drafsh KAviani (any flag any symbol is influenced including that "Rectangular format", exceptions being IRANIAN Drafsh KAvini & Nepal's flag)
2.jpg
when the arabs conquered Iran, supposedly they didn't know what to do with this valuable flag and to whom it should belong so they had to cut it in between them (obviously there could only be one of such expensive flags...)
3.jpg
the color of the 4th ribbon of the flag (the bottom ribbon) is lost, scholars aren't sure what color it was in this picture it is illustrated as white, but it would have been red, yellow or purple
now beat this flag!
I could be wrong, if you find something more or do know more please educate me and all of us! thanks