Alireza Jahanbakhsh to Celtic?

[Kavian]

lets hope he doesn't end up is some arab team in Qatar... as usually is the case when thread like this started about other players moving to better clubs.

[ehsan singapore]

lets hope he doesn't end up is some arab team in Qatar... as usually is the case when thread like this started about other players moving to better clubs.

you may be right, but jahanbaksh does not wanna go to arab countries, and that reality, he will stay in europe

[persianfire]

Please no. The Scottish league is weaker than Eredivisie. Rangers is the only team that can challenge Celtic but they are currently in the lower division.

[irani8perspolis]

Honestly I would rather him go to Groningen, Herenveen or FC Twente, even though they have no chance of CL the quality and competition is much much higher and can eventually lead to a move to good EPL, Serie A or La Liga team (or Ajax or PSV im sure no one would mind that).

[OFFSIDE_1]

it's seems like such a long time ago that we had players in Bundesliga

[Ghermez Agha]

azize man, gucci and dejagah have attended european football academy from the beginning itself which is much more than 2 years of dutch league for jahanbakhsh. wat happened to gucci and dejagah in the english league?
succeeding in english football is extremely difficult, specially if you are not fully matured and developed yet. forget iranians, even players like ozil, schurle, kagawa, salah, podolski had difficulties there, jahanbakhsh at the age of 21 and with only 2 years of experience in dutch league (one of which was 2nd division) moving to a top british team is a very risky move. the most important thing for him is to develop and mature more by getting more play time. 2 3 bad games, a little difficulty in settling down and he will be relegated to the bench and the fans and media will forever have a negative view of him which can backfire jahanbakhsh's career. u say he couldnt cope with the pressure in TM while playing against the likes of qatar and bahrain, yet u dont realize the extreme pressure he will be if he moves to a big name english side who is always under the microscope and all eyes will be on him??!!!
if jahanbakhsh wants to reach his potential and succeed, he needs to take baby steps. he took the first steps right by moving a weaker dutch team, his next step should be equally calculated. try mid table or even top teams in holland or belgium where he is still familiar, where he has somewat established a name for himself, where he can play in some UEFA league games hopefully, before moving to the best teams of Britain and having to compete with national players of Britain or other countries. he can always do this a few years later, he has time. he is only 21. if he moves there around age of 25 or 26, it will be much better for him.
P.S even though jahanbakhsh did a great move and moved to europe early, he still has to prove himself to reach the status of bagheri and teymourian. so, just because he moved to dutch league young and did well there, it doesnt guaranty he can do any better than the likes of gucci, bagheri and teymourian. infact, i see jahanbakhsh as more sensitive and delicate character than bagheri, ando and gucciwho are all stronger mentally and proven players at TM level atleast

since when was dejagah's stint in England looked at in a negative light? he always played very well for fulham and was a regular....sometimes starting and sometimes coming off the bench. in the season they were relegated he was their best player by far and the only one playing hard/well on a game to game basis.

Gucci was never physically strong (which is a major reason one of his main strategies against physical oppositions is to draw fouls) but if you watch ARJ when he came on against argentina and see all the 50/50 challenges he was in, he came out on top. same with many of his matches in Holland...he is physically far more tough than you are giving him credit for.

I definitely agree that a potential move to the premier league might be a year or so premature, however, I wouldn't be concerned about his devolpment by any means looking at his physical state, and by that I don't mean his size (as he clearly isn't particularly muscular) but rather how he fares against physically stronger opposition.

im not sure why pressure is being mentioned.....if there is one thing that is foreign to JB its pressure. we are talking about the same guy who kept NEC's hopes of survival alive by scoring two goals against one of the strongest dutch teams (i belive it was ajax or PSV)on their home field! not to mention giving us our best spark of the WC against argentina!

again, I don't disagree with you that he should wait another year or so but I do think you are cutting the guy way too short here given how well he has managed to impress at such a young age....arguably as impressive as any young Iranian we have seen ever seen in Europe (along with azmoun id say)!

[yashar_fasihnia]

Well if you want to bring Dejagah into this, I would say that he has been successful in England despite his team relegating and medias/fans respected and loved him. When you say " he still has to prove himself to reach the status of bagheri and teymourian", I never compared their status, I merely said that Jahanbakhsh is naturally more talented than them and he would have an easier time in England compared to them as he has moved to Europe much earlier.

However if you want to compare JB to the Ando etc.. , it would be more appropriate to see where the others were at his age, when you do that you will see that Alireza at 21 has already 2 succesful seasons in Dutch football, regularly called up to the national team and has accomplished far more than Ando, Bagheri, Gucci at his age, thus together with Azmoun, looking even more promising.

Now concerning the pressure, even if it's Bhutan, Sri Lanka or Bahrain and Qatar, the pressure of performing for your country is known to be much higher. He single-handedly saved his team from direct relegation last year at 20 years old by scoring two goals vs Ajax, just to show an equivalent. I don't necessarily agree that this would be an obstacle for Alireza in the EPL. TM pressure especially in a tournament where we are among favorites is normal and understandable for a 21 year old.

But the whole point is that my focus was on the particular sentence " if gucci, ando and bagerhi could not succeed in english teams, i doubt jahanbakhsh can.", which I still think is wrong, but this doesn't mean that I'm suggesting that Alireza should move to the EPL this summer. My point is that he has much more potential that the other three you named to succeed in the EPL. For the time being, I believe he is good enough to make it in a top Eredivisie team or a probable UCL team like Celtic/Anderlecht, this would be the best decision. The options are very large, if in the future he desires to make it anywhere, including the EPL, I am positive that he will make it. Personally I would prefer to see him in the Bundesliga or La Liga.

first we have to establish something before we can even go on with this argument and i.e. jahanbakhsh today is nowhere near dejagah, gucci or where ando and bagheri were when they moved to english league. he is still too young and unproven. If you agree with me on this, we can continue discussions. If you disagree, there is no point in continuing because we disagree from the base itself and dont bother reading the rest of my post.

about dejagah, he is far more established than jahanbakhsh in every way. he is more experienced age wise, he has more experience on high level of football when he played in wolfsburg and germany youth teams, he can handle pressure much easier as u can see how easily he settled into TM from day 1 itself and started delivering. inspite of all this, dejagah was only a substitute and that too he was scoring goals almost every time he was subbed in. going back to my original post and its main point, jahanbakhsh is young, he is not fully developed, he needs to play regularly and in a calm environment. he is young, he has time, he can move to bigger teams in a few years. there is no need to rush, small calculated baby steps will ensure a great career for him which is wat we all want.

about jahanbakhsh being more talented than ando and bagheri, i disagree. furthermore,i even more disagree with the fact that he has accomplished more than ando and bagheri. ando and bagheri are among the best in asia and probably iranian football history when it comes to their position. the talent required for such a position is different than the talents required for a winger such as jahanbakhsh. wingers usually need speed and trickery, which jahanbakhsh has to some good extent, but there were a lot of other very important factors that teymourian and bagheri had which jahanbakhsh lacks such as maturity, such as composure, such as strong physicaly strength, such as 90 min of constant running, tackling, shooting. u cant say jahanbakhsh is more talented just because his game is more attractive.

about accomplishments, may i remind u ando was a 22 year or 23 young old youngster who was playing for abu moslem along with jabbari when branko invited them to TM. he was tried in few matches, he did great. the more he was tested, the more he did great and finally he was able to secure himself a permanent spot in TM in the worldcup under a coach (branko) who was famous for being very stingy when it came to making changes in his squad. and no surprise at all, he was one of iran's best players in 2006 worldcup playing against the likes of portugal and mexico. his excellent performance in worldcup 2006 caught the eyes of sam allardyce and he joined bolton after worldcup, again at the tender age of 23! a totally unknown player, coming from abu moslem, to walk straight into a worldcup squad under a conservative coach, and impress in the worldcup, thats a real achievement! this cant be achieved without a good amount of talent (in his own position!), and strong will and confidence. this is something jahanbakhsh couldnt do, neither at worldcup, nor at asian cup while playing against qatar and bahrain! compare that to ando against deco and ronaldo! this is why i say jahanbakhsh is not ready for such a move, he should still stay and develop more.at this age, players need play time, to establish themselves, to gain confidence, to develop.may i also remind u that he started off great scoring goals as a defensive midfielder and he was getting positive reviews but in the end wat happened? an injury, some sitting on the bench inspite of doing so well and he couldnt get his work permit anymore and british teams totally forgot about him. not only britain, rest of europe too and he had to come back to IPL. a true talent wasted.

about bagheri, i dont even have to say how much he had accomplished when he was moving to england. he was an established star of team melli and one of the 3 or 4 main pillars of a national team who some can argue was the best in iranian history leading the midfield line of TM and scoring goals and saving iran's @$$ many times. moreover, u seem to have forgotten if jahanbakhsh has played 2 years in dutch league and now has a chance to move to britain, karim bagheri had played 3 years in arminia bielefeld in germany as a fixed starter and still couldnt succeed in english football! so again, bagheri at his time moving to england had accomplished much more than jahanbakhsh.

scoring 2 goals in 1 last season game against ajax doesnt mean he can handle pressure and plz dont overhype him to stay he single handedly saved his team from relegation because first of all, the team avoided relegation by accumulating enough points over a whole season and not just 1 game where he scored 2 goals. and secondly, even in the ajax game, jahanbakhsh scored 2 goals true, but who made the assists? wat about their defense, GK and midfield who were defending the 2-2 draw the entire game? they were barge choghondar that jahanbakhsh single handedly saved his team from relegation? this is only an exaggeration which i also like because it gives me great pride to see my countryman perform well abroad but at the bottom of our hearts, we all know jahanbakhsh couldnt do this alone and the other players also couldnt do it without jahanbakhsh.

moreover, ghorbune dahanet, like u said, in TM he is expected to do well.in celtic too who is scotlands top team and a team who plays in CL and as always, british media hype up their teams and put pressure on their players, it is same pressure if not more as TM which jahanbakhsh showed clearly he still needs time to handle it.

and lastly, both my original post and the second one are talking about moving to celtic now which is the topic of this thread. i even mentioned at age of 25 or 26, he can move to a bigger team when he is more developed. but yes, if players more established, more accomplished, more matured than him such as bagheir, ando, dejagah and gucci as mentioned in my reasons above (which you may choose to disagree wit) had it difficult settling in england, i highly doubt jahanbaksh at this current stage can do well. let him take baby steps, he has enough time to go to big teams later. learn from his colleagues mistake. unless u will be fine with jahanbakhsh playing 1 season in celtic and then face the risk of moving back to IPL similar to wat happened with ando and bagheri which is not wat i want. i want him to stay in europe as much as possible, and i know that at some point of time jahanbakhsh will get injured, will have drop in form, will not be invited to TM for different reasons, etc and this can adversely affect him. so its best he makes small calculated decisions rather than knee jerk decisions.

and to answer ghermez agha point that he thinks im cutting the guy way too short, i think he has misunderstood. infact wat im doing is i have a rare gem, which i dont want to just take it raw and sell it to a gold shop for peanuts. i want to work on it, slowly and nicely, polish it, give it design, shape and mould it in the best possible way and make the most out of it. the reason for this? i have the time for it! and more over, if i work well on my gem, i will have more demand from different shops in spain, in italy, in germany, and not just england or scotland (where media is extremely harsh and unfair, physical strength is very important to succeed and u have difficult work permit rule and more importantly where not only iranians but top players from top countries also have problem playing it) when i have made the best out of my gem, then i can make a decision on which one to sell to based on my likings.

[yashar_fasihnia]

since when was dejagah's stint in England looked at in a negative light? he always played very well for fulham and was a regular....sometimes starting and sometimes coming off the bench. in the season they were relegated he was their best player by far and the only one playing hard/well on a game to game basis.
Gucci was never physically strong (which is a major reason one of his main strategies against physical oppositions is to draw fouls) but if you watch ARJ when he came on against argentina and see all the 50/50 challenges he was in, he came out on top. same with many of his matches in Holland...he is physically far more tough than you are giving him credit for.
I definitely agree that a potential move to the premier league might be a year or so premature, however, I wouldn't be concerned about his devolpment by any means looking at his physical state, and by that I don't mean his size (as he clearly isn't particularly muscular) but rather how he fares against physically stronger opposition.
im not sure why pressure is being mentioned.....if there is one thing that is foreign to JB its pressure. we are talking about the same guy who kept NEC's hopes of survival alive by scoring two goals against one of the strongest dutch teams (i belive it was ajax or PSV)on their home field! not to mention giving us our best spark of the WC against argentina!
again, I don't disagree with you that he should wait another year or so but I do think you are cutting the guy way too short here given how well he has managed to impress at such a young age....arguably as impressive as any young Iranian we have seen ever seen in Europe (along with azmoun id say)!

1) dejagah was always a substitute, and at this age, jahanbakhsh cant afford that. he needs to play regular football in a calm environment to focus on his development and adapting to different european cultures and lifestyle.

2) gucci physically is stronger than jahanbakhsh inspite of being shorter. he is a fighter, he has good balance and center of gravity. jahanbakhsh is taller and faster but not as physically built as gucci. besides physical strength, gucci has played his entire life in europe and holland and wat jahanbakhs is doing today in terms of success, gucci has been doing for his entire life. argentina is one of the weakest physical teams in the world. most south american teams (except maybe brazil) are physically inferior to iran, unlike european teams specially the north european teams and the ex-yugoslav countries. look at the biodata of players for urself. count how many headers we won against chile and argentina and compare it against bosnia, sweden, ireland and germany all of whom we played against before. count the number of successful tackles and physical challenges. this is biology and genes, its well known.

3)please read my response to Z joon, it responds to ur post as well and the last part of it is response to u thinking im cutting him way too short.

[Z Joon]

first we have to establish something before we can even go on with this argument and i.e. jahanbakhsh today is nowhere near dejagah, gucci or where ando and bagheri were when they moved to english league. he is still too young and unproven. If you agree with me on this, we can continue discussions. If you disagree, there is no point in continuing because we disagree from the base itself and dont bother reading the rest of my post.

about dejagah, he is far more established than jahanbakhsh in every way. he is more experienced age wise, he has more experience on high level of football when he played in wolfsburg and germany youth teams, he can handle pressure much easier as u can see how easily he settled into TM from day 1 itself and started delivering. inspite of all this, dejagah was only a substitute and that too he was scoring goals almost every time he was subbed in. going back to my original post and its main point, jahanbakhsh is young, he is not fully developed, he needs to play regularly and in a calm environment. he is young, he has time, he can move to bigger teams in a few years. there is no need to rush, small calculated baby steps will ensure a great career for him which is wat we all want.

about jahanbakhsh being more talented than ando and bagheri, i disagree. furthermore,i even more disagree with the fact that he has accomplished more than ando and bagheri. ando and bagheri are among the best in asia and probably iranian football history when it comes to their position. the talent required for such a position is different than the talents required for a winger such as jahanbakhsh. wingers usually need speed and trickery, which jahanbakhsh has to some good extent, but there were a lot of other very important factors that teymourian and bagheri had which jahanbakhsh lacks such as maturity, such as composure, such as strong physicaly strength, such as 90 min of constant running, tackling, shooting. u cant say jahanbakhsh is more talented just because his game is more attractive.

about accomplishments, may i remind u ando was a 22 year or 23 young old youngster who was playing for abu moslem along with jabbari when branko invited them to TM. he was tried in few matches, he did great. the more he was tested, the more he did great and finally he was able to secure himself a permanent spot in TM in the worldcup under a coach (branko) who was famous for being very stingy when it came to making changes in his squad. and no surprise at all, he was one of iran's best players in 2006 worldcup playing against the likes of portugal and mexico. his excellent performance in worldcup 2006 caught the eyes of sam allardyce and he joined bolton after worldcup, again at the tender age of 23! a totally unknown player, coming from abu moslem, to walk straight into a worldcup squad under a conservative coach, and impress in the worldcup, thats a real achievement! this cant be achieved without a good amount of talent (in his own position!), and strong will and confidence. this is something jahanbakhsh couldnt do, neither at worldcup, nor at asian cup while playing against qatar and bahrain! compare that to ando against deco and ronaldo! this is why i say jahanbakhsh is not ready for such a move, he should still stay and develop more.at this age, players need play time, to establish themselves, to gain confidence, to develop.may i also remind u that he started off great scoring goals as a defensive midfielder and he was getting positive reviews but in the end wat happened? an injury, some sitting on the bench inspite of doing so well and he couldnt get his work permit anymore and british teams totally forgot about him. not only britain, rest of europe too and he had to come back to IPL. a true talent wasted.

about bagheri, i dont even have to say how much he had accomplished when he was moving to england. he was an established star of team melli and one of the 3 or 4 main pillars of a national team who some can argue was the best in iranian history leading the midfield line of TM and scoring goals and saving iran's @$$ many times. moreover, u seem to have forgotten if jahanbakhsh has played 2 years in dutch league and now has a chance to move to britain, karim bagheri had played 3 years in arminia bielefeld in germany as a fixed starter and still couldnt succeed in english football! so again, bagheri at his time moving to england had accomplished much more than jahanbakhsh.

scoring 2 goals in 1 last season game against ajax doesnt mean he can handle pressure and plz dont overhype him to stay he single handedly saved his team from relegation because first of all, the team avoided relegation by accumulating enough points over a whole season and not just 1 game where he scored 2 goals. and secondly, even in the ajax game, jahanbakhsh scored 2 goals true, but who made the assists? wat about their defense, GK and midfield who were defending the 2-2 draw the entire game? they were barge choghondar that jahanbakhsh single handedly saved his team from relegation? this is only an exaggeration which i also like because it gives me great pride to see my countryman perform well abroad but at the bottom of our hearts, we all know jahanbakhsh couldnt do this alone and the other players also couldnt do it without jahanbakhsh.

moreover, ghorbune dahanet, like u said, in TM he is expected to do well.in celtic too who is scotlands top team and a team who plays in CL and as always, british media hype up their teams and put pressure on their players, it is same pressure if not more as TM which jahanbakhsh showed clearly he still needs time to handle it.

and lastly, both my original post and the second one are talking about moving to celtic now which is the topic of this thread. i even mentioned at age of 25 or 26, he can move to a bigger team when he is more developed. but yes, if players more established, more accomplished, more matured than him such as bagheir, ando, dejagah and gucci as mentioned in my reasons above (which you may choose to disagree wit) had it difficult settling in england, i highly doubt jahanbaksh at this current stage can do well. let him take baby steps, he has enough time to go to big teams later. learn from his colleagues mistake. unless u will be fine with jahanbakhsh playing 1 season in celtic and then face the risk of moving back to IPL similar to wat happened with ando and bagheri which is not wat i want. i want him to stay in europe as much as possible, and i know that at some point of time jahanbakhsh will get injured, will have drop in form, will not be invited to TM for different reasons, etc and this can adversely affect him. so its best he makes small calculated decisions rather than knee jerk decisions.

and to answer ghermez agha point that he thinks im cutting the guy way too short, i think he has misunderstood. infact wat im doing is i have a rare gem, which i dont want to just take it raw and sell it to a gold shop for peanuts. i want to work on it, slowly and nicely, polish it, give it design, shape and mould it in the best possible way and make the most out of it. the reason for this? i have the time for it! and more over, if i work well on my gem, i will have more demand from different shops in spain, in italy, in germany, and not just scotland and then i can make a decision on which one to sell to based on my likings.

Thanks for taking your time to write this detailed post aziz.

But there are few misunderstandings, including your first sentence where you are still comparing 3 experienced players with a kid. Obviously there is no comparison there, and of course he is unproven compared to them but it's not the point.

- Before anything, I do not believe JB is ready for the EPL yet. My whole point is that he is talented enough to make it in his career.


- You say that you doubt he will be successful in the EPL when Ando, Gucci and Bagheri didn't make it, and my opinion is that Ando did well for the few years that he was there and could have been even more successful had he not have his work permit problems. Gucci had an overall mediocre club career, and is not a particularly talented player while on the other hand Bagheri seemed like he wasn't very suited for European football.

- Again, there is no point comparing 28 year old Dejagah with JB. Dejagah is not part of the discussion, he was successful in the EPL in my eyes.

- JB is more talented than Ando and Bagheri? Here it becomes subjective. The comparison is only fair if we evaluate them at the same age; At 20 years old, JB was the runner up Eredivisie's Greatest Talent of the Season http://www.bestevoetballers.nl/ranki...isie-2013-2014, playing in a competitive league against big teams like PSV/Ajax. At 21 he was Eerste Divisie First Period Player of the Season: 2014–15. JB was part of the WC squad at 20 years old, and performed admirably especially against Argentina against most of the best players in the world (this could also be used for your comparison with Ando playing Portugal). Bagheri and Ando were both still raw talents in the IPL at 20-21 years old, while what you say about Ando is definitely true, he was 23 when he really started showing himself and consequently earning the Euro move. 2 years from now, the way things are going, I predict JB will be worth at least 4-5 million Euros (currently at 2) and he will probably become an even bigger player.

- Obviously his teammates contributed to that 2-2 draw, but you could say the same about every players, at the end of the day JB is the one player that put the ball in the net by equalizing twice for NEC, bringing them back into the game (one of the goals being a great long-range shot created out of nothing). Messi breaks records by scoring goals, but who assists him, who helps him winning games? The same could be said about every player.

- Finally I agree with you that he should be taking "baby steps", but Alireza has proven that he could easily be playing for a top Eredivisie team and he shouldn't settle for anything less. Probably any dutch football fan would agree with this one.

I hope that he will head to the Bundesliga, his style of play would match perfectly.

[littlepersia17]

This move will turn out to be as fruitless as Gucci's move to Charlton.

I say this because an Australian prodigy who had talents similar to AJ was eluded by the idea of Celtic being in the CL all the time, so he thought a move to Glasgow would be beneficial for him to get global attention.

Some 2.5 years later, 23 year old Tom Rogic (the former prodigy) is recovering from a long-term injury in a club where he has only seen a handful amount of minutes in his time there.

Scotland will only ruin AJ. Don't get sucked into the idea that Celtic will pretty much make the UCL every year. They were comprehensively thrashed in the playoffs this season.

Why the hell no bundesliga team is interested. You have a couple of struggling sides in that league desperate for some goals (or assists[emoji2]) in their team!


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Alireza Jahanbakhsh takes on Efe Ambrose during World Cup - article

According to The Scotsman, Celtic are interested in signing Iranian winger Alireza Jahanbakhsh from Dutch side NEC Nijmegen this summer.

The Bhoys may be moving ever closer to a historic treble in Ronny Deila's first season in charge, but that doesn't appear to be stopping the Norwegian from looking for new signings ahead of the summer transfer window.

The Scotsman reported earlier this week that Celtic are looking to sign NEC Nijmegen winger Jahanbakhsh at the end of the season.

The 21-year-old may not be a household name to many in Scotland, but he's highly rated in Iran and the Netherlands, impressing with his pace, dribbling ability and eye for goal.

NEC will return to the Eredivisie next season, but that may not be enough to keep Jahanbakhsh at the club if Celtic come calling with Champions League football on the table.

Jahanbakhsh caught the eye at last summer's World Cup, playing for Iran in a tough group alongside Argentina, Bosnia and Nigeria - a group which Iran failed to qualify from.

Whilst playing out in Brazil, Jahanbakhsh came up against Efe Ambrose in that Nigeria game, as the picture above shows.

Ambrose would be one of his Celtic team-mates should he make the move to Glasgow this summer, and Ambrose may be glad that he wouldn't have to chase him around again having been put up against the nippy winger once already.

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/...ing-world-cup/

[Kasra.]

Merged.

[littlepersia17]

Don't do it AJ.

A league of talent destruction. Celtic are not as good as they used to be and Scottish defenders only know how to tackle.

Plus I don't want AJ to get even the slightest of a Scottish accent!


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[persepolisfan]

Behtare nare

[DireStraits]

I don't think any Iranian player will be successfull in Scotland, England and those countries.
But JB will be usefull in Holland Itally or spain