CQ debate: Mayeli kohan, Azizi and Javadi[video]

[K. Nader]

Freaking CQ held many meetings for IPL coaches, but none of them showed up!! why no one talks about it, because they all feel that they know ALL that they need to know about coaching and they do not need improving!!.

CQ can't force QN, Aziz, MK etc to come to TM camp so they can learn a thing or two from CQ practice style!!

in the video MK keeps saying that the german coach went to UK to watch Ozel game!!!

well CQ went to germany, holland, sweden to bring Dejaghe, Reza and Omid!!

how come you dont say any of these!

They do say this... many times. However, when CQ does it, it's no longer a player evaluation but rather a vacation. These Iranian coaches, officials, and pundits are some of the biggest hypocrites you'll ever find.

[persian-eagle-13]

How the hell is there no talent? Could you explain please? I don't think any team in Asia has as much talent as Iran except maybe the usual top 3? Who can say they have talents such as Azmoun, Jahanbakhsh, Pouraliganji, Beiranvand, Ghafouri etc...?

Poor quality of the IPL? It's good enough in Asia, and definitely on top in terms of producing local talent, if the IPL is poor quality, what should the expectations of a team like UAE with their league where their domestic players don't do crap, where their team never even had a European legionnaire? Or Uzbekistan whose teams never even make the group stage in ACL? This is not an excuse, we have no infrastructures, corruption, etc.. but we still produce quality players in that league. It's a team that consisted mostly of IPL players that almost held Argentina to a draw in Brazil.

In that domain CQ has the right material to work with and if we had no talent, CQ wouldn't get near the results he got with us. He coached UAE, Mozambique and crap national teams like that, why did he not do jack with them?

I feel if Daei or Ghotbi was at CQ's place his head would be cut off by now.

1) this is the least talented TM in in the last 20 years! in late 1999 and early 2000 how many top quality foreign players did we export and how many have we export in the last 4 years!! so we can go and conquer the world with 2 players like SA and AJ

2) If you think IPL is good, and just because we have 3-4 teams in ACL and get a win here and there you think IPL is better than Japan, Korea and the Persian Gulf Nations.

3) your logic and rations is completely flawed!! so I will pull a MK on you, CQ had all the talent and resource at RM, why didn't he succeeded LOOL does that answer your question for UAE and South Africa or even Portugal to some extend

[xerexes]

Also, the issue is not "what did he do at Real Madrid". Real Madrid was not CQ's most successful stint. However, what MK does not mention is that we have a coach who was at the caliber of being considered to sit on Real Madrid's bench. In fact, had CQ stayed in Manchester United instead of taking the Portuguese coaching job, he would have been first in line to take over once Ferguson retired.

True. And Ferguson himself has said CQ was as close as one could be to being the headcoach without having the actual title.

[Bi-honar]

It's sad that we're throwing the current TM squad under the bus saying they have no talent, we're throwing old TM players under the bus saying they're stupid, we're throwing all the talent in the IPL under the bus, and this Javadi guy went as far as throwing the whole country under the bus by saying Iran is a third world country.

It's just REALLY sad how far some of us are willing to go in this debate and how much we're willing to belittle everything that is Iranian to make a point or defend a single man. It seems like CQ is not only the one bright spot in our football, but he has become the one bright spot in our entire shitty existence from the beginning to the end.

Surely, there are better ways to argue whatever points we're arguing.

[clipsport]

True. And Ferguson himself has said CQ was as close as one could be to being the headcoach without having the actual title.

Man U didn't even consider him after Fergie left and even after Moyes.
I would love to see where CQ ends up after Iran. Probabaly UAE or something like that.

This is why he always says "gulf" instead of "persian gulf". Keeping his options open. I never liked that part either.

[Ando Teymourian]

It's sad that we're throwing the current TM squad under the bus saying they have no talent, we're throwing old TM players under the bus saying they're stupid, we're throwing all the talent in the IPL under the bus, and this Javadi guy went as far as throwing the whole country under the bus by saying Iran is a third world country.

It's just REALLY sad how far some of us are willing to go in this debate and how much we're willing to belittle everything that is Iranian to make a point or defend a single man. It seems like CQ is not only the one bright spot in our football, but he has become the one bright spot in our entire shitty existence from the beginning to the end!

First of all, Iran is a third world country, lets call a spade a spade on that one.

Secondly, we need to examine who we are looking at here. Put aside the supporters on both sides. Forget about Mansourian, Yahya, Azizi, and Abedzadeh.

This is between CQ and the federation. Now, lets look closer at both sides. CQ is CQ, we know his past, we know what he has done and what he hasn't done.

Now who is in the federation? This is where it gets murky. We have no idea who half the guys there are, what their background is, and what business they have in discussing CQ's staying or departure. Who are they? Why are they in the shadows? They are IR goons, simple as that. They were all born, lived, and worked under IR their whole lives.


Now, knowing that IR goons are full of lies, why would I listen to anything they say? Anything coming out of the federation is either a total lie, or a large skewing of the truth

[xerexes]

It's sad that we're throwing the current TM squad under the bus saying they have no talent, we're throwing old TM players under the bus saying they're stupid, we're throwing all the talent in the IPL under the bus, and this Javadi guy went as far as throwing the whole country under the bus by saying Iran is a third world country.

It's just REALLY sad how far some of us are willing to go in this debate and how much we're willing to belittle everything that is Iranian to make a point or defend a single man. It seems like CQ is not only the one bright spot in our football, but he has become the one bright spot in our entire shitty existence from the beginning to the end!

Complete and utter nonsense as usual. I love how the guy talking about "throwing TM players under the bus" is one of the same few who act as if they know better than those players who is qualified to lead them. Your position has been far more in line with the clowns the players have been angrily condemning than with the players. To believe the stuff you've been writing about CQ we'd practically have to believe the entire squad are a bunch of fools who don't know what they're talking about. Save this for those who haven't been reading your essays.

[Z Joon]

1) this is the least talented TM in in the last 20 years! in late 1999 and early 2000 how many top quality foreign players did we export and how many have we export in the last 4 years!! so we can go and conquer the world with 2 players like SA and AJ

2) If you think IPL is good, and just because we have 3-4 teams in ACL and get a win here and there you think IPL is better than Japan, Korea and the Persian Gulf Nations.

3) your logic and rations is completely flawed!! so I will pull a MK on you, CQ had all the talent and resource at RM, why didn't he succeeded LOOL does that answer your question for UAE and South Africa or even Portugal to some extend

I disagree, our 2010-2011 squad to me is our least talented squad and I rate their performance at the Asian cup superior to ours. This was our squad http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_AF...up_squads#Iran We exported Ansarifard, Azmoun, Jahanbakhsh, Ezzatolahi, Haghighi from our league to Europe recently, how many did we back then?

We have great gems like the names I mentioned and I would rate our team definitely one of the 2-3 top talented teams in Asia.

I don't understand your second point, but we have to measure our situation with other teams; Hence I say if you think our league is bad, what should the expectations of a team like UAE be where their domestic players don't do jack or Uzbekistan whose clubs can't do better than last place in ACL groups?

And finally my point is that if he had no talent he wouldn't be able to do half the things he did with this team. He managed South Africa, UAE like you say and couldn't come 1/4 close to qualifying to the World Cup.

If a coach doesn't have the right material to work with, he won't be able to do any miracle. You can put Mourinho as Afghanistan's coach and say they have no talent, but he won't qualify them to the World Cup.
So yes, the fact that you say we have no talent is absolutely shocking to me, I personally can't understand it.

[xerexes]

Man U didn't even consider him after Fergie left and even after Moyes.
I would love to see where CQ ends up after Iran. Probabaly UAE or something like that.

That doesn't change the point I raised: Ferguson considered him to be as close to being the headcoach as one could possibly be. As for getting a job at UAE after Iran, your buddy GN couldn't even get a job in Yemen at this point.

[TheBoss]

come on people, we have some very talented footballers. No one can deny that. we might lack in physical readiness, we might not run as much of a european team, but we have a lot of talent.

[persian-eagle-13]

Man U didn't even consider him after Fergie left and even after Moyes.
I would love to see where CQ ends up after Iran. Probabaly UAE or something like that.

This is why he always says "gulf" instead of "persian gulf". Keeping his options open. I never liked that part either.

na baba, what else you do not like about him? how about answering my question first about how much he should get paid and what is a fair result!

[persian-eagle-13]

come on people, we have some very talented footballers. No one can deny that. we might lack in physical readiness, we might not run as much of a european team, but we have a lot of talent.

i totally agree, that is why european teams have lined up and taking iranian players left and right!

[rugs]

That doesn't change the point I raised: Ferguson considered him to be as close to being the headcoach as one could possibly be. As for getting a job at UAE after Iran, your buddy GN couldn't even get a job in Yemen at this point.

Dude, GTFO. Everyone knows Ferguson only said that because he hates GN. He really didn't mean it.

[saadat_abad]

lol Mayli kohan has no manners! he says CQ hamash minale! akhe what semi professional speaks like that on the air! also says back when he was the coach they had no training grounds no hotels and such! khob look around the world! every other country has tranning grounds and hotels! what point is hr trying to make? chonke he didnt doesnt mean other coaches shouldnt and if they dont they shouldn't complain? vahghan now i know why people call him mayli gohan.

[persian-eagle-13]

It's sad that we're throwing the current TM squad under the bus saying they have no talent, we're throwing old TM players under the bus saying they're stupid, we're throwing all the talent in the IPL under the bus, and this Javadi guy went as far as throwing the whole country under the bus by saying Iran is a third world country.

It's just REALLY sad how far some of us are willing to go in this debate and how much we're willing to belittle everything that is Iranian to make a point or defend a single man. It seems like CQ is not only the one bright spot in our football, but he has become the one bright spot in our entire shitty existence from the beginning to the end.

Surely, there are better ways to argue whatever points we're arguing.

we have so much talent that we do not know what to do with them all, we have have some many players at every position that poor CQ can't decide between who he wants to start every game. oh man what a great IPL league we have, the quality of the games and tactics played, people talk about the quality of IPL and want to study it and replicate it in their own country.

My friend are you serious!! are you even thinking about what you just wrote.