CQ debate: Mayeli kohan, Azizi and Javadi[video]

[Shahin]

http://footballitarin.com/video_page.php?id=14279

Afazeli sees Branko back in Iran and is exploiting the situation to his own benefit. At this rate Branko will take over TM within a few months and we'll go back to playing outdated football suited for the turn of the century.

[persian-eagle-13]

Well you also said that we have no talent, no camps, practice fields, we practice in parks (where is this coming form?)

well this shows the level of your knowledge and what you spew here. For your information, TM was training in Public Park before AC 2015 in their camp in Australia. LOOL so if you did not know that, i really should not have a conversation with you because it is hard to teach you everything that you should have known but you either ignore or do not want to know

-We do have talent.

i totally agree with you, we have so much talent that CQ is only forced to used practically the same 14-15 players in the last 4 years!! that is some talent pool we got that we success depends on having or not having pooladi or bekzade or montazeri for a game. i am we have lot of talent right that our existence depends on few players

-Our league isn't as bad and amateur as some of you make it out to be (in AFC it's actually one of the better leagues)

you are absolutly right, we our clubs have not won the ACL for over 23 years!! i mean who cares about winning ACL, whats the point, let other "bad" leagues win the ACL.

-CQ has had lots of camps. In fact more and longer than any other WC team.

really? so having a long camp equals to ALL the canceled friendly games!! so i agree we can have long camps to make up for all the friendly games, and hopefully we can be ready for Argentia, Nigeria, Bosnia or Asian teams who have camp before every friendly game, and have a friendly game on top and still have a camp before the tournament.

-We do have practice fields (really? you think we don't have practice fields???)

again i agree, we have so many practice fields that we do not know what to do with them. again you are showing your ignorance on information about our state of football

- CQ might get paid late, but he always gets paid (trust me he wouldn't have otherwise resigned with Iran)

people get paid on time in iran!! news to me, i do not know what to say

I expected us to do better in the wc given we got a faily easy draw.

oh i expected to do well in the wc too, i mean i was hoping to steam roll over nigera, win argentina by 2 goals and get a nice 3-4 goals against the poor bosnia. very reasonable expectation

I definitely expected to go to the finals in AC. I thought that going into semis was gonna be a cake walk.

you are right, my bad, i have been expected to go to the final with easy, considering we ALWAYS go to the final!!

And I think CQ is way too conservative for Iranian football. Way too defensive. We really don't need to park the bus against Qatar, Bahrain, UAE etc.

Fair enough

so yes $1.8 Million Salary should produce better results in my opinion.

so lets recap, we have had good camps, we have good fields, we have a good league, you expected us to do better in wc and go to the finals in AC 2015 while playing less conservative and defensive football. did we miss anything else from this list!! conclusion is yes you are right in our DREAM $1.8 million sounds way too much. I would probably pay him $500K. that seems like a fair value when you consider QN and Daei make $1.5 million or most players make around $600-800k.

[Bi-honar]

First of all, Iran is a third world country, lets call a spade a spade on that one.

Iran is a not a 3rd world country and never was by any definition other than perhaps a categorization that uses only press freedoms. I suggest you look up the meaning of the 3rd World. Beside that, the only reason we're not currently in the G20 even with the IR in place is their isolation and foreign/domestic policies.

The rest of your post didn't have anything to do with my post.

we have so much talent that we do not know what to do with them all, we have have some many players at every position that poor CQ can't decide between who he wants to start every game. oh man what a great IPL league we have, the quality of the games and tactics played, people talk about the quality of IPL and want to study it and replicate it in their own country.

My friend are you serious!! are you even thinking about what you just wrote.

There's a HUGE grey area between we have no talent and we have so much talent we don't know what to do with, isn't there?!

That's the problem with some of the arguments you guys put forth - everything has to either be one extreme or the other, so there's often no objective look at where we truly stand.

No, IPL is not the greatest league in the world or in the top 10. But it's not the shittiest league in the world or in the bottom 10 either.

IMHO, it is one of the top 3 leagues in Asia and it's in the top 20-25 leagues in the world. If you don't agree with that, by all means provide your own fair assessment between 1 and 208 for the world and 1 to 46 in Asia.

[xerexes]

Iran is a not a 3rd world country and never was by any definition other than perhaps a categorization that uses only press freedoms.

LMAO!!
Clueless. Hopelessly clueless!

[persian-eagle-13]

Ok, now where do you think these players came from? Where did Ezzatolahi, youngest player to play in the IPL, young player of the season 2012-2013, come from? Pouraliganji? Did he come out of an egg? Did God decide to grab them from heaven and put them in Iran?

They come from the IPL as well, and we have plenty of talented players like these guys, that you won't know about as you have decided to close your eyes and made up your mind on our league. These guys got noticed on rare occasions with TM youth sides, we have no scouts that come in Iran and obviously the reason is not lack of talent.

so we are hanging our hopes on one young talent. god for bid if he does not delivers, that means we are screwed!!

god for bid if JB and SA do not go and play for U-23. our whole TM struggles. that we have to fight over who will play where.

you have to agree it is hard to be iran, we have so much talent that coaches have headaches about who to use, i hope other countries are not jealous of all the talent we have. because they do not have to deal with this headache

[rugs]

well this shows the level of your knowledge and what you spew here. For your information, TM was training in Public Park before AC 2015 in their camp in Australia. LOOL so if you did not know that, i really should not have a conversation with you because it is hard to teach you everything that you should have known but you either ignore or do not want to know



i totally agree with you, we have so much talent that CQ is only forced to used practically the same 14-15 players in the last 4 years!! that is some talent pool we got that we success depends on having or not having pooladi or bekzade or montazeri for a game. i am we have lot of talent right that our existence depends on few players

you are absolutly right, we our clubs have not won the ACL for over 23 years!! i mean who cares about winning ACL, whats the point, let other "bad" leagues win the ACL.
really? so having a long camp equals to ALL the canceled friendly games!! so i agree we can have long camps to make up for all the friendly games, and hopefully we can be ready for Argentia, Nigeria, Bosnia or Asian teams who have camp before every friendly game, and have a friendly game on top and still have a camp before the tournament.
again i agree, we have so many practice fields that we do not know what to do with them. again you are showing your ignorance on information about our state of football
people get paid on time in iran!! news to me, i do not know what to say

oh i expected to do well in the wc too, i mean i was hoping to steam roll over nigera, win argentina by 2 goals and get a nice 3-4 goals against the poor bosnia. very reasonable expectation
you are right, my bad, i have been expected to go to the final with easy, considering we ALWAYS go to the final!!
Fair enough



so lets recap, we have had good camps, we have good fields, we have a good league, you expected us to do better in wc and go to the finals in AC 2015 while playing less conservative and defensive football. did we miss anything else from this list!! conclusion is yes you are right in our DREAM $1.8 million sounds way too much. I would probably pay him $500K. that seems like a fair value when you consider QN and Daei make $1.5 million or most players make around $600-800k.

I would just like to add for those who do not know, TM's training ground at Azadi is the same field where Baseball, Archery and Rugby hold their practices. Just to give you an idea of what the grass might be like and when people say "We don't have proper training facilities" you can understand what they mean by that.

[rugs]

Iran is a not a 3rd world country and never was by any definition other than perhaps a categorization that uses only press freedoms. I suggest you look up the meaning of the 3rd World. Beside that, the only reason we're not currently in the G20 even with the IR in place is their foreign policies.

The rest of your post didn't have anything to do with my post.

Maybe you should as well.

But let me ask you, have you ever worked in Iran or lived there as an adult? I'm not talking about vacations etc.. I mean that Iran was your only residence and you were employed full time.

[Go_Daei]

Politically U.S and Russia were first world, Industrial European countries the second and the rest of the countries were third world.. I think only China has moved up and we're still among other shithole places..

Iran is a not a 3rd world country and never was by any definition other than perhaps a categorization that uses only press freedoms. I suggest you look up the meaning of the 3rd World. Beside that, the only reason we're not currently in the G20 even with the IR in place is their foreign policies.

The rest of your post didn't have anything to do with my post.




There's a HUGE grey area between we have no talent and we have so much talent we don't know what to do with, isn't there?!

That's the problem with some of the arguments you guys put forth - everything has to either be one extreme or the other, so there's often no objective look at where we truly stand.

No, IPL is not the greatest league in the world or in the top 10. But it's not the shittiest league in the world or in the bottom 10 either.

IMHO, it is one of the top 3 leagues in Asia and it's in the top 20-25 leagues in the world. If you don't agree with that, by all means provide your own fair assessment between 1 and 208 for the world and 1 to 46 in Asia.

[Bi-honar]

Maybe you should as well.

But let me ask you, have you ever worked in Iran or lived there as an adult? I'm not talking about vacations etc.. I mean that Iran was your only residence and you were employed full time.

First of all, I wouldn't tell someone to look up the definition of something if I wasn't sure about it. Maybe you should do the same.

Secondly, what's the relevance of me having worked in Iran as an adult to Iran being a 3rd world country or not?! My working there or not (or you having worked as an adult in Yemen or not) does not change the definition of what a 3rd World country is - it's not a subjective term.

[persian-eagle-13]

IMHO, it is one of the top 3 leagues in Asia and it's in the top 20-25 leagues in the world. If you don't agree with that, by all means provide your own fair assessment between 1 and 208 for the world and 1 to 46 in Asia.

well if we take FIFA as the gold standard in data i hope that is okay with you, they have iran at 36 in the world. and 5th in Asia. Korea, Japan, Saudi, China than iran as the best leagues.

http://www.iffhs.de/the-strongest-na...-of-the-world/

[Bi-honar]

Politically U.S and Russia were first world, Industrial European countries the second and the rest of the countries were third world.. I think only China has moved up and we're still among other shithole places..

That's incorrect. The cold-war era definition was based on alignment with NATO (1st), Eastern block (2nd) and non-aligned (3rd World). That definition is archaic and han't been used for ages.

Any post cold-war definition is generally in reference to under-developed nations with developing nations being 2nd world and developed nations being 1st (that development can be industrialization or human development as measured by the HDI).

As I said, the only reason Iran is currently somewhere between 1 & 2 is IR's economic isolation and foreign/domestic policies, otherwise we would be in the G20 and have a high enough HDI to be in the most developed nations.

[Z Joon]

well if we take FIFA as the gold standard in data i hope that is okay with you, they have iran at 36 in the world. and 5th in Asia. Korea, Japan, Saudi, China than iran as the best leagues.

http://www.iffhs.de/the-strongest-na...-of-the-world/

Well that's pretty good actually. Better than the MLS, Swedish league, Polish league etc... I would say it's a fair assessment if we measure the league as a whole, taking into consideration that our league isn't as good as it should be because of the corruption, lack of infrastructure, big signings etc... However speaking about domestic talent, we are definitely a top 2-3 in Asia.

[Camran khan]

well if we take FIFA as the gold standard in data i hope that is okay with you, they have iran at 36 in the world. and 5th in Asia. Korea, Japan, Saudi, China than iran as the best leagues.

http://www.iffhs.de/the-strongest-na...-of-the-world/

It's funny how you roll your eyes when you're wrong. That is not FIFA's list.
I'd say that rankings are pretty much right, except that i'd definately put Iran above China, and maybe above Japan.

[Z Joon]

It's funny how you roll your eyes when you're wrong. That is not FIFA's list.
I'd say that rankings are pretty much right, except that i'd definately put Iran above China, and maybe above Japan.

Yup, except for the fact that China (and arguably Saudi Arabia) is in front of Iran I also agree with the list.

[Bi-honar]

well if we take FIFA as the gold standard in data i hope that is okay with you, they have iran at 36 in the world. and 5th in Asia. Korea, Japan, Saudi, China than iran as the best leagues.

http://www.iffhs.de/the-strongest-na...-of-the-world/

Well, I asked for your opinion so if you like the IFFHS ranking (that's NOT a FIFA ranking) that's fine.

I personally wouldn't rank the J-league above Iran as their teams have consistently underperformed in the ACL in that past 5 years and 3 out of 4 of them are ranked at the the bottom of their respective groups this year as well. It's pretty close between the IPL and the other 4 leagues as far as I'm concerned (overall ranking).

But this takes everything (budget, infrastructure, etc.) into account, not just talent. Surely you'd agree that other than talent, every other aspect of our football program is a downer and significantly reducing our ranking.