CQ debate: Mayeli kohan, Azizi and Javadi[video]

[TheBoss]

i totally agree, that is why european teams have lined up and taking iranian players left and right!

come on man, we are on the same side, I support CQ. but please don't put down our players. I mean CQ praises them left and right. This passive-aggressive attitude by some members is not nice. Also, there are so many reasons about why our players don't go to europe and no talent is not one of them.

How many european scouts are in Iran?

How many Iranian players are willing to push themselves and leave their comfort zone?

How many Iranian players even have a good, well connected manager who can raise interest about them?

Our players are talented. that's a fact. That's the only reason we are still a top asian team despite lacking in almost everything else (training facilities, etc.)

[xerexes]

Dude, GTFO. Everyone knows Ferguson only said that because he hates GN. He really didn't mean it.

It really is funny that out of the two most stubborn bashers of CQ, one supports GN and the other Mayeli! They're like guys who tell you BMW sucks while they drive '85 Hondas.

[Z Joon]

i totally agree, that is why european teams have lined up and taking iranian players left and right!

Wait, do you really think the reason we have a lack of players transferring to European teams is because we don't have talent?

[persian-eagle-13]

come on man, we are on the same side, I support CQ. but please don't put down our players. I mean CQ praises them left and right. This passive-aggressive attitude by some members is not nice. Also, there are so many reasons about why our players don't go to europe and no talent is not one of them.

How many european scouts are in Iran?

How many Iranian players are willing to push themselves and leave their comfort zone?

How many Iranian players even have a good, well connected manager who can raise interest about them?

Our players are talented. that's a fact. That's the only reason we are still a top asian team despite lacking in almost everything else (training facilities, etc.)

my friend i am not putting anyone down, i think you are really following ipl to understand that we do not have talents. it has nothing to do with scouts, agents etc...

I guess my definition of talent is different than your definition of talent.

can iranian play football yes, can they learn tactics yes, can they execute them on the field yes, all of those does not equate to talent

However who do i consider a talent, AJ, SA. players that have enough understanding of the game and raw talent that they are seen as an asset for any European team.

if we are using Europe as our gold standard, then we only have 2 players, 1 in second division, 1 in first division.

now compare that to Japan and Korea, ever mind countries outside of Asia.

[Kiarash]

Our talents not getting picked up by European teams has much more to do with politics rather than football.

Prime example: Hajsafi's contract with Fulham was not finalized because of technical issues.

[persian-eagle-13]

Wait, do you really think the reason we have a lack of players transferring to European teams is because we don't have talent?

in a way yes, compare our star studded team on the 1990's to 2000's to this tm right now! playing well is not equal to talent. do not confuse that. UAE played well in AC 2015 but is that a talented team?!?

[clipsport]

na baba, what else you do not like about him? how about answering my question first about how much he should get paid and what is a fair result!

Well you also said that we have no talent, no camps, practice fields, we practice in parks (where is this coming from?)

-We do have talent.
-Our league isn't as bad and amateur as some of you make it out to be (in AFC it's actually one of the better leagues)
-CQ has had lots of camps. In fact more and longer than any other WC team.
-We do have practice fields (really? you think we don't have practice fields???)
- CQ might get paid late, but he always gets paid (trust me he wouldn't have otherwise extended with Iran)

I expected us to do better in the wc given we got a faily easy draw.
I definitely expected to go to the finals in AC. I thought that going into semis was gonna be a cake walk.
And I think CQ is way too conservative for Iranian football. Way too defensive. We really don't need to park the bus against Qatar, Bahrain, UAE etc.

so yes $1.8 Million Salary should produce better results in my opinion.

[golffan]

Mayeli Goh An is a mentally sick man needing psychiatric attention, if he were in USA. I do not understand why they keep interview him.

[shahname]

Both Mayeli Kohan and Azizi really sound like "lato obash" when they talk!!!! They are unfortunately really low class!!

[Go_Daei]

CQ's doppelganger..

[TheBoss]

my friend i am not putting anyone down, i think you are really following ipl to understand that we do not have talents. it has nothing to do with scouts, agents etc...

I guess my definition of talent is different than your definition of talent.

can iranian play football yes, can they learn tactics yes, can they execute them on the field yes, all of those does not equate to talent

However who do i consider a talent, AJ, SA. players that have enough understanding of the game and raw talent that they are seen as an asset for any European team.

if we are using Europe as our gold standard, then we only have 2 players, 1 in second division, 1 in first division.

now compare that to Japan and Korea, ever mind countries outside of Asia.

Fair enough. I don't like to fight over this.

[rugs]

come on man, we are on the same side, I support CQ. but please don't put down our players. I mean CQ praises them left and right. This passive-aggressive attitude by some members is not nice. Also, there are so many reasons about why our players don't go to europe and no talent is not one of them.

How many european scouts are in Iran?

How many Iranian players are willing to push themselves and leave their comfort zone?

How many Iranian players even have a good, well connected manager who can raise interest about them?

Our players are talented. that's a fact. That's the only reason we are still a top asian team despite lacking in almost everything else (training facilities, etc.)

I don't think it's putting down our players. It's putting down our managers, clubs and football atmosphere.

When our football is full of corruption, nepotism, parti-bazi, pay to play, religious nonsense, etc...

When it instantly turns one hit wonder players into overnight sensations and idols....

It's easy to understand why we are not producing the talents we should.

How many players have been pushed aside because someone's father was able to bribe more for their son to play?

Why should a Rafat, Kazemian, Borhani, Sadeghian, Mosalman, Rezaei, Afshin, etc...... try to go to move to a professional league with less pay when they are idolized in their own country?



It's really hard to describe what Iran is like and to convey the corrupt environment if you have never lived or worked there. Not yours, but some of the comments here are absolutely ridiculous. It makes you wonder if they know anything about Iran. We should do Gozinesh at PFDC just like the do in Iran

[persian-eagle-13]

Our talents not getting picked up by European teams has much more to do with politics rather than football.

Prime example: Hajsafi's contract with Fulham was not finalized because of technical issues.

sure, a lot goes into transfer, no doubt. but the fact of the matter is when we talk about a talented team we talk about a team that has quality players at every position, star players, high IQ players etc.....

we can't compare Chile or Colombia to iran, but they are going through a golden generation again. look at the quality of these two teams, they players they have etcc.....

look at our team, our top players are breaking 30 or are over 30 and are playing in IPL or persian gulf country. and the depth of team is only 2-3 players deep, with AJ, SA and ali ghanghi coming up.

the pool of talent is so small that we only have 1 padedhe every season. there needs to be more, if that 1 padedeh breaks his leg we are done! we have to cross our finger that another one magically appear next season again.

[Z Joon]

However who do i consider a talent, AJ, SA.

Ok, now where do you think these players came from? Where did Ezzatolahi, youngest player to play in the IPL, young player of the season 2012-2013, come from? Pouraliganji? Did he come out of an egg? Did God decide to grab them from heaven and put them in Iran?

They come from the IPL as well, and we have plenty of talented players like these guys, that you won't know about as you have decided to close your eyes and made up your mind on our league. These guys got noticed on rare occasions with TM youth sides, we have no scouts that come in Iran and obviously the reason is not lack of talent.

[saadat_abad]

Ok, now where do you think these players came from? Where did Ezzatolahi, youngest player to play in the IPL, young player of the season 2012-2013, come from? Did God decide to grab them from heaven and put them in Iran? They come from the IPL as well, and we have plenty of talented players like these guys, that you won't know about as you have close your eyes and made up your mind on the IPL. These guys got noticed on rare occasions with TM youth sides, we have no scouts that come in Iran and obviously the reason is not lack of talent.

agreed. reason is not lack of talent. Iran has lots of young talent. the thing is, we dont have a good youth development system . youngsters dont get first team minutes with the exception of Naft, Foolad, Zob ahan and malavan.