CQ Stats in Real Madrid vs other RM Coaches

[K. Nader]

Let's also look at a season right before CQ (which you decided to not include for obvious reasons)

02-03
La Liga - 1st place
Copa Del Rey - QF
Champions League - Semi-Final
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UEFA Super Cup winner
Intercontinental Cup winner (they had won the Champions league the previous season)

Look, there is no need to ignore reality in order to support CQ.
He was not successful in Real Madrid. That's why he was fired.

Actually, I didn't 'ignore' the previous season. A manager is fired and replaced with the expectation that a new one will perform better. I just showed you that in most competitions, CQ was one of the most successful in comparison to his successors.

Also, since CQ has started at Real Madrid, there have been 10 additional managerial changes (roughly averaging at one per season). Only Mourinho and Ancelotti have lasted longer than a season. Mourinho, because of his name (and this is coming from a Chelsea fan) and Ancelotti because of his instant success in winning the Champions League. In fact, should Real not win the league or the UCL this season, Ancelotti will probably be let go by the club.

If we look at CQ and his 10 successors, only four others have won silverware - Mourinho (3 trophies in 3 seasons), Capello (1 trophy in 1 season), Schuster (2 trophies in 1.5 seasons), and Ancelotti (4 trophies in 1.5 seasons).

[clipsport]

^ Seems like with CQ there is always a need for a long explanation for lack of results.

Basically what you are saying here is that CQ is a better coach than his successors b/c RM was eliminated a bit later in certain tournaments?
And I guess we should just ignore the 4th place finish compared the the following seasons.

And it's so funny that you included the Spanish Super Cup as well. Sorry the next manager didn't have a chance to play in it as CQ didn't win any trophies for RM.

[clipsport]

Real Madrid: Supercopa de Espana
03-04 - W (CQ)
04-05 - /
05-06 - /
06-07 - /
07-08 - RU
08-09 - W

CQ had the best result in the Supercopa de Espana until 5 years later when Schuster came.

Why is there a "/" here? lol

[K. Nader]

^ Seems like with CQ there is always a need for a long explanation for lack of results.

Basically what you are saying here is that CQ is a better coach than his successors b/c RM was eliminated a bit later in certain tournaments?
And I guess we should just ignore the 4th place finish compared the the following seasons.

And it's so funny that you included the Spanish Super Cup as well. Sorry the next manager didn't have a chance to play in it as CQ didn't win any trophies for RM.

Basically what you are saying here is that CQ is a worse coach than his successors b/c RM finished 4th in La Liga?

Let's not play games though since it's clear you have an agenda. You've spread propaganda against Queiroz. You've spread propaganda against Nekounam. You've spread propaganda against Beitashour. You've spread propaganda against Navad & Ferdowsipour. You've shown unwavering support for Ghalenoei and his thuggery.

Now that we've heard your repetitive thoughts to the point that it's become nauseating, do you have anything new to add?

[rugs]

Basically what you are saying here is that CQ is a worse coach than his successors b/c RM finished 4th in La Liga?

Let's not play games though since it's clear you have an agenda. You've spread propaganda against Queiroz. You've spread propaganda against Nekounam. You've spread propaganda against Beitashour. You've spread propaganda against Navad & Ferdowsipour. You've shown unwavering support for Ghalenoei and his thuggery.

Now that we've heard your repetitive thoughts to the point that it's become nauseating, do you have anything new to add?

I'm sure he will tell us how great TM's training grounds are and that they are more than adequate and beyond complaining about

[clipsport]

Basically what you are saying here is that CQ is a worse coach than his successors b/c RM finished 4th in La Liga?

Let's not play games though since it's clear you have an agenda. You've spread propaganda against Queiroz. You've spread propaganda against Nekounam. You've spread propaganda against Beitashour. You've spread propaganda against Navad & Ferdowsipour. You've shown unwavering support for Ghalenoei and his thuggery.

Now that we've heard your repetitive thoughts to the point that it's become nauseating, do you have anything new to add?

Basically what I'm saying is that CQ failed at Real Madrid. Which is true. That's why he was fired.
You could say I have an anti-CQ agenda, but then I could say you have a pro-CQ agenda.

When was the last time you (or the other fanboys) actually criticized anything CQ did?
According to you guys, he's doing everything right and all is well. But then you have to give a ton of explanations as to why he's not getting any better results than the previous TM managers.

[pres80]

Basically what I'm saying is that CQ failed at Real Madrid. Which is true. That's why he was fired.
You could say I have an anti-CQ agenda, but then I could say you have a pro-CQ agenda.

When was the last time you (or the other fanboys) actually criticized anything CQ did?
According to you guys, he's doing everything right and all is well. But then you have to give a ton of explanations as to why he's not getting any better results than the previous TM managers.

This is literally the last time im gonna pay any attention to any of your threads. Your final statement is so stupid considering the results of our last two games. And if you think result is simply the score on the sheet then you my friend are a true idiot.

Don't bother replying, I won't be reading posts from you any longer.

Enjoy living under the bridge.

[rugs]

This is literally the last time im gonna pay any attention to any of your threads. Your final statement is so stupid considering the results of our last two games. And if you think result is simply the score on the sheet then you my friend are a true idiot.

Don't bother replying, I won't be reading posts from you any longer.

Enjoy living under the bridge.

Honestly, don't bother.

Speaking of excuses, this guy will make any excuse as to not answer a simple direct question. Which just shows that he's not interested in a discussion.

Point is, don't feed trolls.

[clipsport]

^^ Resorting to name calling and profanity. Pretty typical of people who don't have anything useful to say. Can't argue so just call the other a "troll" or "idiot" etc.

[Iran007]

Basically what I'm saying is that CQ failed at Real Madrid. Which is true. That's why he was fired.
You could say I have an anti-CQ agenda, but then I could say you have a pro-CQ agenda.

When was the last time you (or the other fanboys) actually criticized anything CQ did?
According to you guys, he's doing everything right and all is well. But then you have to give a ton of explanations as to why he's not getting any better results than the previous TM managers.

That sounds and looks like a long explanation to me......

I am starting to think that we are either dealing with an intellectually compramised human being here, or we are dealing with someone who is just so angry at CQ who has devoted his entire life to finding ridiculous reasons to bash him.
Either way, its not worth arguing with.

[K. Nader]

^^ Resorting to name calling and profanity. Pretty typical of people who don't have anything useful to say. Can't argue so just call the other a "troll" or "idiot" etc.

The problem is not someone calling you a troll, it's the false pretense under which you opened this thread.

You've already made the decision that you don't like CQ (which is fine). The problem lies when you open this thread under the guise of a discussion and stats evaluation but only present the stats that you believe are favorable to your view.

As rugs mentioned, you refuse to answer the most basic questions when someone does take you seriously and engage in a discussion.

[clipsport]

The problem is not someone calling you a troll, it's the false pretense under which you opened this thread.

You've already made the decision that you don't like CQ (which is fine). The problem lies when you open this thread under the guise of a discussion and stats evaluation but only present the stats that you believe are favorable to your view.

As rugs mentioned, you refuse to answer the most basic questions when someone does take you seriously and engage in a discussion.

What question does Rugs ask me that is so important. He constantly asks me if I think TM camp conditions are beyond complaining about (btw only to be annoying to me) even though I had already answered him before. I've never seen the camp myself but CQ did and I guess it was good enough to sign a 4 year deal (2 times). He can ask me 1000x times, sorry my answer won't change. Trust me Rugs is not interested in engaging in a serious discussion with me. I figured that out very early on.

btw, I didn't open this thread. If you don't believe me go to page 1.

[K. Nader]

What question does Rugs ask me that is so important. He constantly asks me if I think TM camp conditions are beyond complaining about (btw only to be annoying to me) even though I had already answered him before. I've never seen the camp myself but CQ did and I guess it was good enough to sign a 4 year deal (2 times). He can ask me 1000x times, sorry my answer won't change. Trust me Rugs is not interested in engaging in a serious discussion with me. I figured that out very early on.

btw, I didn't open this thread. If you don't believe me go to page 1.

Woops. My bad on this one. Sorry.

[clipsport]

Woops. My bad on this one. Sorry.

No worries man. You probably confused it with the one I made about CQ stats in TM vs. other coaches.

[xerexes]

A pattern of posting statements that get refuted by multiple people and then simply posting the exact same thing days later as if the previous discussion never happened. Going out of the way to not answer simple questions and instead strangely thanking the post where the question was asked! (If it's a good question why refuse to answer it, and if it's a bad question why are you thanking the post?)

Add the above to the fact that the person grasps at every straw to bash CQ while going to the same lengths and using the same tactics to defend another coach who happens to have major problems with CQ... This is the typical behavior of someone who is using a message board to push a certain agenda. He's not here to debate or discuss anything, only to post certain things repeatedly without being challenged.