Dejagah: I have no intention to return to Europe

[IranPowned]

Mahdavikia is a legend in Hamburg, his crossing was beyond incredible! Some of his individual honours include:

Asian Young Footballer of the Year: 1997
HSV Player of the Year: 2002–03, 2003–04
Asian Footballer of the Year: 2003
Chosen as the best offensive winger of the Bundesliga in the 2002–03 season by kicker
Hamburger SV Team of the Century: 2012

Now can someone tell me what Dejagah has done to be compared or according to some even better(!?) than Mahdavikia?

Dejagah won the bundesliga as a regular teamplayer.

[Camran khan]

Dejagah won the bundesliga as a regular teamplayer.

Yeah but that is an award the entire team got, I am talking about individual awards. You can't compare team awards when only comparing two individual players.

[ashkan24]

In that case i am utterly speechless how you talk about iranian legends like Daei, Bagheri, Azizi and Mahdavikia.
If it wasn't for them, this forum wouldn't even exist let alone Ashkan Dejagah considering playing for TM.
Just lol.

Indeed. ***edited*** and warned!

[Ali.Karimi79]

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Now can someone tell me what Dejagah has done to be compared or according to some even better(!?) than Mahdavikia?

Nope 'coz slightely impossible. Only our member ashkan24 might answer that.

[Ali.Karimi79]

Indeed. You should remain speechless as it resonates with your intellectual aptitude.

lol ran out of arguments or why getting personal?

[ashkan24]

lol ran out of arguments or why getting personal?

You simply regurgitated something that I had already briefly addressed in my first comment and that is the distinction among the qualitative attributes that defines the best player with intangibles such as popularity that correlates with "legend" status or even tangibles such as prolific contributions and accomplishments. While they're not mutually exclusive they're not exactly connecting dots on a linear path.

[ali alipour]

I also bring in big words that I don't even understand to try to make my weak argument look better

[TheBoss]

As far as achievements go, Ali Karimi is well above Dejagah. and he didn't even have half the privileges that Dejgah had





AFC player of the year



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Dejagah's achievements so far

[PersianLegion]

whoever thinks Dejagah is a better player than Karimi, is smoking some good shit or is mentally challenged.

[Z Joon]

Dejagah can be compared to Zandi, Hashemian etc.. It's an insult to compare him to the likes of Mahdavikia and Karimi.

[onebloodfool]

I have to ask a question to members and I really mean this in a serious way.
Should we really be bothered by Askhan playing in Qatar and not Europe?

I could understand the nationalist point of view with Qatar et al abusing the name of the Persian Gulf.
But in terms of his form, I dont see where the problem is.
Because I have not seen his form dip in TM, as a result of his move to Qatar. If anything, he seems to be playing better than ever right now, ironically.

To be honest, I think even Ali Karimi was at his prime and absolute best when he was playing for Al-Ahli, and that he kinda lost his magic/fantasy when he moved to Bayern. lol

[Kiarash]

I have to ask a question to members and I really mean this in a serious way.
Should we really be bothered by Askhan playing in Qatar and not Europe?

I could understand the nationalist point of view with Qatar et al abusing the name of the Persian Gulf.
But in terms of his form, I dont see where the problem is.
Because I have not seen his form dip in TM, as a result of his move to Qatar. If anything, he seems to be playing better than ever right now, ironically.

To be honest, I think even Ali Karimi was at his prime and absolute best when he was playing for Al-Ahli, and that he kinda lost his magic/fantasy when he moved to Bayern. lol

I will say it one more time.

The level of football in Qatar is low. For a player like Dejagah who played in The Premier League and Bundesliga and is only 28, a move to Al-Arabi is the worst thing he could do in term of footballing aspects. It's not a huge downgrade, but a shocking downwards spiral. He was one of the best Fulham players and he moves to the Qatari League who is equal to the 3.Bundesliga in terms of transfermarkt value (it tells you something about the level of competitiveness). Do we want a player like this in Team Melli? Ironically, all his team mates at least moved to a semi-decent country where they actually can play football. But Dejagah...Al-Arabi, fucking Al-Arabi mate. It couldn't get more embarrassing.

This is where my problem lies.

His transfer was all about money as he didn't give a damn about football. As simple as that. If Jahanbakhsh continues his good form and shows himself in Team Melli, I would prefer him as a fixed winger over Cashkan all day. Hence I would take even Ghafouri as a right-winger. Let Cashkan enjoy his money and feed his family in Qatar ''noose joonesh'', while we work with players who do want to make it in Europe and the R16.

[Afat11]

I think we are in a time of transition in TM. The TM heading into 2018 WC in 3 years time now (btw, wow, Brazil was almost a year ago now. Time flies!!) will look waaaaaayyy different than today.

Many of our TM regulars will be in their mid 30's by that time. The Gucci's and Dejagah's of the world will move into either substitute roles or will not even be called anymore.

Our team will have a lot of emerging youth talents. If CQ is allowed to stay without interference by IFF and we can actually get decent camps and friendlies, don't be surprised if we have a team people fear heading into WC 2018.

Imagine our rock defense under CQ, but with a counterattack of a speedy player like Jahanbakhsh and a strong Zlatan-like striker in Azmoun. Imagine a mature Ezatollahi taking up the mantle of the new and improved Nekounam, and Pouraligangi owning the opposing attackers.

We could be great if our players are allowed to develop. If IFF invests in our players, God, we could be a force in the world.

[Kiarash]

I think we are in a time of transition in TM. The TM heading into 2018 WC in 3 years time now (btw, wow, Brazil was almost a year ago now. Time flies!!) will look waaaaaayyy different than today.
Many of our TM regulars will be in their mid 30's by that time. The Gucci's and Dejagah's of the world will move into either substitute roles or will not even be called anymore.
Our team will have a lot of emerging youth talents. If CQ is allowed to stay without interference by IFF and we can actually get decent camps and friendlies, don't be surprised if we have a team people fear heading into WC 2018.
Imagine our rock defense under CQ, but with a counterattack of a speedy player like Jahanbakhsh and a strong Zlatan-like striker in Azmoun. Imagine a mature Ezatollahi taking up the mantle of the new and improved Nekounam, and Pouraligangi owning the opposing attackers.
We could be great if our players are allowed to develop. If IFF invests in our players, God, we could be a force in the world.

We need a cultural change among our footballers first. No to Arab leagues, yes to Euro-based legionnaires. Only this way we have a chance to compete on world class level and make it far in a World Cup.

[Afat11]

We need a cultural change among our footballers first. No to Arab leagues, yes to Euro-based legionnaires. Only this way we have a chance to compete on world class level and make it far in a World Cup.

I think it has already started. We have many players now leaving for Europe at a younger age. That is a great sign. To be honest, Dejagah wasn't going to develop anymore. As a winger, his career will only last 4-5 more years tops. He will likely be retiring from TM in the next 2-3 years. Playing in a competitive league wouldn't matter to a player like him, realistically. He's still a decent player, but his only job now is to just be decent enough for us to finish out his career as a role-player. He will no longer be looked to as the star of the team anymore. That time has passed.

Guys like Jahanbakhsh, Azmoun, and the other youngsters will be looked to as the star players of the coming years. It is important that they are in Europe, as they need to improve their games.

In years prior, we had players leaving later in their careers, and having short Euro careers and returning back to Iran. A guy like Ali Karimi was wasted in Arabestan for many of his younger years. Imagine if Karimi had been in Europe since he was 19 like Azmoun. By God, he would have been a top 10 player in the world.

The attitude has started to shift. Despite everyone thinking this was just organic and random, I'd like to give some credit to CQ, as his focus on calling up Euro-based players has pushed younger players to leave Iran.

Heck, even Ansarifard finally had to leave his comfort in Iran to try to remain in TM. No more youngsters staying in Iran and getting called up it seems. Only the Azmouns, Ezatollahis, Jahanbakhshs and the likes will be called up, and I love that. Our team will be filled with young legionnaires. Despite everyone saying IPL is as great as Europe, I'd rather have the Azmouns and Jahanbakhsh's in TM than the Payam Sadeghian and Ansarifard's of the world who stayed in Iran too late and are now basically worthless despite their raw talent early on. Ansarifard was supposed to be the star that Azmoun is becoming and he had the talent, but he decided to go to PP instead of abroad, and we see the result.