Any analysis of CQ's performance must take into account our TALENT DROUGHT

[ramingeles2000]

This is a post from another thread, but I think that it's important that we support KING CARLOS at this critical juncture while he tries to bring youth into TM and the usual critics jump at the chance to criticize.

Compared to prior years we lack talent right now in TM. Don't buy into all the BS about European clubs being biased against Iranian players because of the political climate blah blah. Club teams are wolves, they'll take ANY player that can help them. European club teams have the most sophisticated and thorough scouting of any sport in the world, and they're fully aware of Iran and Iranian players. If politics or "bias" were an issue, then how the hell did Ali Karimi and Hashemian go to Bayern while Ahmadinejad was president and embarrassing Iranians on tv 24/7?

The Bundesliga, EPL, La Liga, and Italy all are fully aware of Iranian players and the Iranian talent pool. There have been at least 7 Iranian players in the Bundesliga, and at least 2 in the other leagues just in the last 10 years. Therefore to me, the true mark of a national team's talent is how many players they have playing in top European clubs because these clubs are the world's preeminent experts on talent recognition. If Iran had true talent, we would have players in these leagues just like we did in 2006, when we had 8 legionnaires.

Instead, look at our current condition:

1- it is now easier than EVER for Iranian players to get recognized and go abroad (due to A - advances in scouting driven by the internet and B - the recognition of Iranian players compared to the past thanks to trailblazers like Daei, Hashemian, Mahdavikia and thanks to CQ)

2 - we have a coach in place who highly encourages players to leave Iran (evidence: for the first time in history we have players who would have never left Iran going to ANY european club that will take them - Greece, Juliper League, Russia, 2nd division England, etc when they can ALL make more $ staying in Iran)

3 - and yet we have NO PLAYERS in the top 4 leagues and our 3 best prospects - Jahanbakhsh, Azmoun, and Ezatollahi - aren't even regular starters or contributors for their clubs. Our best prospect, Jahanbakhsh, hasn't even proven that he can start at Alkmaar.

And please, do NOT buy into this BS about the IPL being "full of talents". Says WHO? Who is a better assessor of Iranian talent? people on the PFDC boards or European scouts and agents, who do this for a living? Put another way, if there's so much talent, why can't ANY Iranian club go far in AFC club competition?

Under the CQ regime, every IPL player knows that they have to go to Europe if possible to have a chance at becoming a regular feature of a CQ team. Everyone wants to go to Europe. But very few do because no European teams will take them!

Look at Ansarifard...the best striker in IPL is a bench warmer in the GREEK LEAGUE who's scored 1 goal in like 20 matches. And this was one of the IPL's best exports! Look at Hajsafi, who was probably the best player in IPL the last few years....he's just barely cracking the starting lineup in a mid-table Bundesliga team. Pouraliganji, a starter on Iran's national team, plays in CHINA. Very simply put, we have VERY bad talent right now. It happens to every national team outside the top 20....it's an ebb and flow.

Now I'm not trying to bash on IPL players. obviously all our european legends started in the IPL. but what's clear is that this is the easiest its EVER been to go to europe, and european teams, the only people who REALLY know the talent of our IPL players, don't deem them worthy of selection. We have a bright future with Ezatollahi, Jahanbakhsh, and Azmoun playing in Europe (thanks to CQ in part, btw, who personally assisted each of these players in their transition to Europe) but the truth is that if you look at history, we are currently in the middle of a drought.

Also - as to complaints about CQ's salary. First, do you even live in Iran, to care about how $3M a year gets spent? Even if CQ isn't worth $3M due to lack of technical ability as a coach, isn't it worth $3M a year to have a charismatic, respected figure in charge who brings international recognition and legitimacy to our TM program? isn't Ashkan Dejagah, our current best player, who without CQ wouldn't have come to TM, worth the $3M a year? Given what this criminal regime spends, steals and wastes on god knows what, shouldn't we be glad $3M a year goes to our football program, to a man who has brought real prestige to our program?

CQ isn't God's gift to earth, but I challenge anyone to dispute the fact that he's the best coach we've ever had and that he's overachieving given our lack of talent and the difficulties of working in Iran with the sanctions etc.

Now, we have a bunch of haters reacting to CQ's "bad akhlaghi" with the Iranian press. Who cares if CQ is a jerk to the snake Iranian press? He's tired. Also, people keep getting insulted and complaining that CQ is "making excuses" when CQ keeps pointing out how far behind iranian football is, that we're missing players due to military issues, etc etc....umm...how clueless are you? A coach who is afraid for his job makes excuses. A coach who feels he needs to protect his job makes excuses. CQ is not in fear of his job or his reputation. He's the most popular coach Iran has ever had and trust me, if the akhoonds could get rid of him, they would.

What these haters don't realize is the real reason CQ constantly uses (1) populism and (2) points out Iran's shortcomings: because he knows it's the best way to get things done in Iran! Look at what his constant complaining has gotten us: better training pitches, an expanded budget for training staff, and friendlies with Guinea, Sweden, Chile, and Japan. I dare anyone here to point out a better set of friendlies in TM history in a 12 month span. These friendlies are a direct result of CQ's constant complaining.

Please, please, please take a broad perspective, stand back and recognize that one day we will miss this man so much and regret our criticism. We need to support him 110% during this sensitive transition so that he can forge our new squad and take us into the WC2018 qualifiers with a confident, battle-tested batch of youngsters.

We Iranians are truly insane sometimes!

[mahestan]

LOL. I stopped reading at KING CARLOS.

[ramingeles2000]

LOL. I stopped reading at KING CARLOS.

Either respond to my points, or GTFO of the thread.

[mahestan]

Either respond to my points, or GTFO of the thread.

Take your head out of CQs ass, then we can talk.

[ramingeles2000]

Take your head out of CQs ass, then we can talk.

In my 10 years here I've learned to detect idiots. I knew you were a part of the club when you said that CQs salary is your business because you pay taxes...especially considering you live in the US.

[mahestan]

In my 10 years here I've learned to detect idiots. I knew you were a part of the club when you said that CQs salary is your business because you pay taxes...especially considering you live in the US.

Do you comprehend English? Iranian tax payers are allowed to know how much their national football team coach is getting paid. Me paying taxes in US has nothing to do with it. If I'm an idiot, I rather be an idiot than a retard like yourself.

[ramingeles2000]

Do you comprehend English? Iranian tax payers are allowed to know how much their national football team coach is getting paid. Me paying taxes in US has nothing to do with it. If I'm an idiot, I rather be an idiot than a retard like yourself.

lol you seem confused.

[Ghermez Agha]

You call an era with 3 of our most promising players in years (azmoun, JB, Ezzatolahi) plus our PGL talents who have proved themselves (taremi, Torabi, Ghafouri, Amiri) to be a talent drought?

You're first point is a total lie too.....how is it easy for Iranian players to go to Europe? It is harder for them than any other nation....was today's match not evidence of that? We played a national team that consists vastly of players who play in Europe and look how they faired against a side that is playing in the PGL. If you think there is equal opportunity for Iranians then I don't think you understand the reality of things. Explain to me why a guy like Milad Mohammadi who played great in rapid viena when given a trial wasn't offered a contract....I would love to know your thoughts on that. Or also why someone like Amiri who dribbled past Sweden, chile, and Japan's defenses like it was a walk in the park wasn't offered contracts by European teams. Or what about beiranvands full field throws into the oppositions box creating a goal scoring chance.....that's a common comodity and he didn't stand out at all with that right?

Most importantly What stood out about your post, how has JB failed to prove anything at AZ when he hasn't even been fully fit yet? You know he was brought in to replace johanson who was their best player right?

[Z Joon]

You call an era with 3 of our most promising players in years (azmoun, JB, Ezzatolahi) plus our PGL talents who have proved themselves (taremi, Torabi, Ghafouri, Amiri) to be a talent drought?

You're first point is a total lie too.....how is it easy for Iranian players to go to Europe? It is harder for them than any other nation....was today's match not evidence of that? We played a national team that consists vastly of players who play in Europe and look how they faired against a side that is playing in the PGL. If you think there is equal opportunity for Iranians then I don't think you understand the reality of things. Explain to me why a guy like Milad Mohammadi who played great in rapid viena when given a trial wasn't offered a contract....I would love to know your thoughts on that. Or also why someone like Amiri who dribbled past Sweden, chile, and Japan's defenses like it was a walk in the park wasn't offered contracts by European teams. Or what about beiranvands full field throws into the oppositions box creating a goal scoring chance.....that's a common comodity and he didn't stand out at all with that right?

Most importantly What stood out about your post, how has JB failed to prove anything at AZ when he hasn't even been fully fit yet? You know he was brought in to replace johanson who was their best player right?

Damet garm GA jan, finally someone's making sense.

[ramingeles2000]

You call an era with 3 of our most promising players in years (azmoun, JB, Ezzatolahi) plus our PGL talents who have proved themselves (taremi, Torabi, Ghafouri, Amiri) to be a talent drought?

You're first point is a total lie too.....how is it easy for Iranian players to go to Europe? It is harder for them than any other nation....was today's match not evidence of that? We played a national team that consists vastly of players who play in Europe and look how they faired against a side that is playing in the PGL. If you think there is equal opportunity for Iranians then I don't think you understand the reality of things. Explain to me why a guy like Milad Mohammadi who played great in rapid viena when given a trial wasn't offered a contract....I would love to know your thoughts on that. Or also why someone like Amiri who dribbled past Sweden, chile, and Japan's defenses like it was a walk in the park wasn't offered contracts by European teams. Or what about beiranvands full field throws into the oppositions box creating a goal scoring chance.....that's a common comodity and he didn't stand out at all with that right?

Most importantly What stood out about your post, how has JB failed to prove anything at AZ when he hasn't even been fully fit yet? You know he was brought in to replace johanson who was their best player right?

yes, we have 3 "promising" players, I agree with that, but aside from Jahanbakhsh (somewhat), they still haven't fully proven themselves in Europe by putting 3-4 seasons of good play together and could be complete busts. You call 8-9 decent-to-good performances from Taremi, Torabi, Amiri, and Ghafouri 'PROVING THEMSELVES'? No man, scoring 16 goals in the bundesliga in a single season is proving yourself (Hashemian). being a starter in a european club for 2-3 seasons is proving yourself. putting together 15-20 good TM matches and scoring vital goals is proving yourself. None of these players has proven anything. if anything, you're showing how incredibly low our standards have become. Sure, Taremi, Torabi, Amiri are "talents"; I'm not saying they suck, I'm just saying that in comparison to prior generations, these 3 wouldn't even get selected for the squad.

Even if there is "unequal" opportunity for Iranians,surely it's no more unequal than it was 10 years ago, during the Ahmadinejad era, when Iran was an international pariah and countries were lobbying Germany to prevent Iran from participating in WC2006. Even then, worthy TM players like karimi, shojaei, teymourian, and nekounam were going to EPL, La Liga, and Bundesliga. If it's "unequal" now, it was "Unequal" then, so that argument is utter BS.

If you think that Amiri dribbling past players during friendlies, beiranvand having a long throw, or individual highlight performances, warrant a contract in Europe maybe you truly don't understand how this all works. this self victimization is absurd.

[Ali.Karimi79]

You call an era with 3 of our most promising players in years (azmoun, JB, Ezzatolahi) plus our PGL talents who have proved themselves (taremi, Torabi, Ghafouri, Amiri) to be a talent drought?

You're first point is a total lie too.....how is it easy for Iranian players to go to Europe? It is harder for them than any other nation....was today's match not evidence of that? We played a national team that consists vastly of players who play in Europe and look how they faired against a side that is playing in the PGL. If you think there is equal opportunity for Iranians then I don't think you understand the reality of things. Explain to me why a guy like Milad Mohammadi who played great in rapid viena when given a trial wasn't offered a contract....I would love to know your thoughts on that. Or also why someone like Amiri who dribbled past Sweden, chile, and Japan's defenses like it was a walk in the park wasn't offered contracts by European teams. Or what about beiranvands full field throws into the oppositions box creating a goal scoring chance.....that's a common comodity and he didn't stand out at all with that right?

Most importantly What stood out about your post, how has JB failed to prove anything at AZ when he hasn't even been fully fit yet? You know he was brought in to replace johanson who was their best player right?

excellent input.

Still ramingeles has got a point with this:

Even if there is "unequal" opportunity for Iranians,surely it's no more unequal than it was 10 years ago, during the Ahmadinejad era, when Iran was an international pariah and countries were lobbying Germany to prevent Iran from participating in WC2006. Even then, worthy TM players like karimi, shojaei, teymourian, and nekounam were going to EPL, La Liga, and Bundesliga.

[Camran khan]

Guys, don't pay much attention to OP, this is the same guy, who not only says we lack talent, but claims that we lack so much talent that we can't keep posession against Oman and pass a few balls vs them, not vs Germany, Spain or even Japan, but yes, he claims that we can't do so vs the almighty Oman


What's funny is that 2-3 days later we were the dominant team vs Japan, in terms of passing, posession and with more chances on the opponents goal..

[Doctor DOOM]

Hoo boy, so much written and so much to refute.

Without getting into lengthy posts, I totally refute we have talent drought. The evidence is there in our youth and Omid teams as well as the youngsters in TM. Especially if we compare it to ASIAN standards. Unless in our zeal to defend CQ we suddenly put Brazil or Argentina as the standard. lol

I also disagree that it is easy for IRANIAN lads to go to Europe. We either talk about transfers in general or we talk about specific example of iran. One must be foolish or completely uninformed to think our case is similar to china's or Japan's.
On top of the general difficulties an Asian player faces in getting the transfer to Europe, places like Iran provide a whole new layer of difficulties and obstructions. Yes, political matters do have an impact. So do openness of the markets, copy rights issues, merchandizing prospects or lack of, wealth of the population, market maturity, language and cultural receptiveness, ... etc. Etc.

In other words, To say our lads stand EQUAL chance as if CQ's constant belittling and degrading of our people was not enough!!) just to support one individual. Whose aide are we on and who is the priority here?


I have tried to stay neutral and not jump at every opportunity to criticize CQ when there was reason to do so. But such sycophantic behavior and blind support is what makes one bring up every little screw up to show he's not such an untouchable God and he has many faults, mistakes, personality flaws, ...
Such inferiority complex towards a ''famous name'' is actually harmful.

[PersianLegion]

yes, we have 3 "promising" players, I agree with that, but aside from Jahanbakhsh (somewhat), they still haven't fully proven themselves in Europe by putting 3-4 seasons of good play together and could be complete busts. You call 8-9 decent-to-good performances from Taremi, Torabi, Amiri, and Ghafouri 'PROVING THEMSELVES'? No man, scoring 16 goals in the bundesliga in a single season is proving yourself (Hashemian). being a starter in a european club for 2-3 seasons is proving yourself. putting together 15-20 good TM matches and scoring vital goals is proving yourself. None of these players has proven anything. if anything, you're showing how incredibly low our standards have become. Sure, Taremi, Torabi, Amiri are "talents"; I'm not saying they suck, I'm just saying that in comparison to prior generations, these 3 wouldn't even get selected for the squad.

Even if there is "unequal" opportunity for Iranians,surely it's no more unequal than it was 10 years ago, during the Ahmadinejad era, when Iran was an international pariah and countries were lobbying Germany to prevent Iran from participating in WC2006. Even then, worthy TM players like karimi, shojaei, teymourian, and nekounam were going to EPL, La Liga, and Bundesliga. If it's "unequal" now, it was "Unequal" then, so that argument is utter BS.

If you think that Amiri dribbling past players during friendlies, beiranvand having a long throw, or individual highlight performances, warrant a contract in Europe maybe you truly don't understand how this all works. this self victimization is absurd.

You and Ghermez Agha have both some good arguments but you both look at the current situation from two totally opposite point of views. One is very optimistic the other is pessimistic. You don't need to attack each others, just say your opinion and list a number of factors you think causing problem or can help us overall.

It is true that we are in a transitional time so our team is not back to its past glory when our great players like Daei, Bagheri, Karimi, Azizi, Nekonam, Mahdavi, Hashemian,... were around but it looks like more in mid to late 90s when our last generation of great players came out of the shadow one by one and shined in international stages. I can see great potentials in likes of Azmoun, Amiri, Ezatollahi, JB, PAG, Beiranvand, Torabi, and bunch of other young players but it is still potentials and needs to be fully developed in international stages to catch the eyes of famous clubs in more respectable leagues. Good Iranian NT performances in AC/WCQ/ACL/WC/Friendlies is the right path to show their talents.

[khodam]

We have no shortage of talent. And if you think playing in TM is more important than getting a lot more money in IPL, then you don't know much about economics of profesional sports.

The reason you see fewer Iranians in EU has to do with 1) the money they earn in Iran or UAE/Qatar 2) difficulty with sanctions which weren't in place when AK8 and Co. were in EU.

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