Any analysis of CQ's performance must take into account our TALENT DROUGHT

[Bi-honar]

I think Khakpour & Co. just killed the talent drought argument with the WAFF trophy!

[Shah Abbas]

Well to be fair, CQ is not wrong. When you come into a country as mismanaged as Iran is, it is only natural that you, who were hired as a manager, try to correct the mismanagement.

It's hard to guess what his intentions are with these comments, but he is not wrong.

But, it's been like that for everyone before him! Why did we not have low expectations from them? Why was Daei fired for losing to Saudi? Why was Ghalenoi kicked out for losing on Penalties to South Korea then? Why is that when it comes to CQ who has a had a MUCH BETTER treatment from IFF and Media than those who came before him, are we not kicking him out after poor results?

[rugs]

What has he done to correct this mismanagement other than complain and nag? I think a couple of times he went to get Visas with some players, and he tried to deal with the Pooladi situation, other than that what has he done to fix mismanagement?

My intentions with these comments? Someone for the love of GOD/ALLAH/BUDDHA get him to complain less. We all know, things in Iran are difficult, he needs to give it a rest.





Yes, the fame and money gets to their head. Remember Shojaei during his store opening in Tehran? The dude had a dollar sign on his lapel.

Baba jan, read things twice before responding. I said HIS intentions, not yours.

Aside from those things you have mentioned he has arranged for good friendlies, brought order to TM, dealt with the corruption in the IFF offices, exposed problems he couldn't solve. These are all big things no manager has ever done. The fact alone that he exposed the corrupt nature of our football is more than enough. Before no one of rank was saying anything, now he has come out and exposed it.

I don't think your Shojaie example applies. He is another good example of a player who tried to make it abroad and didn't seek the fame of the IPL.

[sirvan]

He can use these excuses against the likes of Japan and Korea but they're not valid when we tie the likes of Turkmenistan and Oman. Especially when both results are heavily influenced by his tactics. Being scared of the pitch in Turkmenistan and just crossing, as well as treating Oman like Argentina and playing so defensively.
Not sure what the acl has to do with having some talent in the league clubs don't need to dominate a continental tournament to have good players on the national team. Look at Chinese clubs their doing well in the acl yet their domestic players are pretty crap. Uzbek teams do horably yet they produce some decent players. Eredivisie teams don't do well yet they have good players in their league. Just look at tm and u23 and see how many of those players play for this past years acl clubs. Not many of them so not much of a point there.

TM always had a though time against Oman and Turkmenistan, check the stats. You can't deny that Quieroz pulled TM out of a dark era in our football history, there where hardly young talents between 2012-2014, he thought us to play more professionaly, organised, qualified for the world cup. And with the talents which are making their way, Quieroz is going to take TM to the next level.

[rugs]

But, it's been like that for everyone before him! Why did we not have low expectations from them? Why was Daei fired for losing to Saudi? Why was Ghalenoi kicked out for losing on Penalties to South Korea then? Why is that when it comes to CQ who has a had a MUCH BETTER treatment from IFF and Media than those who came before him, are we not kicking him out after poor results?

There are many reasons. One CQ has a better resume than all of those people combined. So there is more trust in what he can accomplish. Two, he got us to the WC.

Three, he is not playing the game Daei and GN were playing. Both those guys got burned by by the same system they took advantage of. Neither of those guys brought the best players to the NT, they just brought their loyal players.

[OFFSIDE_1]

I feel you bro turkmenistan and oman have way more talent than iran. If it wasnt for queiroz we wouldnt even be tying these teams, 3-0 loss at best.

and Oman and Turkmenistan qualified for which WorldCup ??? care to enlighten us all ?

[OFFSIDE_1]

I love how so many people have fallen for CQ's clever plan. Since coming to Iran he has criticised everything we as a country have; from our infrastructure, all the way to our league and quality of players, in order to bring down expectations. So that when we draw to Oman, it's not too bad and when we draw against Japan, it's a massive accomplishment...

yes, because clearly there is nothing to be critical off ...... from our infrastructure, all the way to our glorious league which has (by the way), failed to do crap in the international scene against the mighty opponents such as AL-Qods and AL-Nusra. Whether we have potential or not is irrelevant. Potential does not win games. The fact is, CQ does not have players from Bundesliga, Serie A or La Liga to choose from. So, yes, our talent level is nothing compared to the days when we had Kia, Nekounam, Hashemian, Rezaei and gheyreh to choose from. It's not even close.

As for our homegrown talent, just remember that if it weren't for an unknown player from the 2nd division Dutch/Belgium league, we would be watching the worldcup from our living rooms with Oman and Turkmenistan fans

[Afat11]

It's funny how this thread is about a person's opinion of CQ's quality as a coach, and a bunch of people show up to tell this guy why his opinion is wrong.

It's funny how many people here dismiss other people's opinions, and try to belittle and "prove" their opinions wrong by merely stating their own opinion of CQ.

Then, when I give facts on topics to try and support my reasoning for supporting CQ, everyone bitches and whines "stop trying to prove me wrong!!! Stahp eet!"

Then the same dickheads come in here and try to prove someone else's opinion wrong. Reasonable minds can and will disagree about CQ. You people are so blind to your own hypocrisy on mostly every subject.

[mahestan]

It's funny how this thread is about a person's opinion of CQ's quality as a coach, and a bunch of people show up to tell this guy why his opinion is wrong.

It's funny how many people here dismiss other people's opinions, and try to belittle and "prove" their opinions wrong by merely stating their own opinion of CQ.

Then, when I give facts on topics to try and support my reasoning for supporting CQ, everyone bitches and whines "stop trying to prove me wrong!!! Stahp eet!"

Then the same dickheads come in here and try to prove someone else's opinion wrong. Reasonable minds can and will disagree about CQ. You people are so blind to your own hypocrisy on mostly every subject.

This is what this thread has turned into.



CQ is a decent coach. I wish he would move some players around and bench some people. We all are on here because we are TM fans, and hope they make it to WC 2018. I just hope that happens and maybe, maybe somehow we add another win to our WC history.

Edit: Before grammar police attacks me, I know it is supposed to be "You're", I just found the gif online. Don't deport me back to Iran.

[teammelli91]

We don't lack talent. We lack the proper way to NURTURE our talent.

[ali alipour]

and Oman and Turkmenistan qualified for which WorldCup ??? care to enlighten us all ?

Qualification to the World Cup happened over 2 years ago. That shouldn't be the base of judgement on cq otherwise it would be logical to say shojaei should be starting because he was playing well in la liga 3-4 years ago.

[Doctor DOOM]

Not really indicative of if/how they will develop in the future. Remember, Saudi Arabia won the U17 WC back in 1989...non of those players went on to achieve any kind of success outside of their own domestic league. Youth soccer success has a very low correlation with adult/professional soccer success.

This line of reasoning isn't helpful. We should not take the rare example to prove a point. We should take the more common examples.
In other words, in your opinion youth systems usually DONT produce future senior nat'l teams or DO they? What does logic say?

Imo,, logic says youth system DOES produce senior teams. I'm not saying they all progress into senior team. But many do, therefore it is logical to invest in them.

[Doctor DOOM]

But, it's been like that for everyone before him! Why did we not have low expectations from them? Why was Daei fired for losing to Saudi? Why was Ghalenoi kicked out for losing on Penalties to South Korea then? Why is that when it comes to CQ who has a had a MUCH BETTER treatment from IFF and Media than those who came before him, are we not kicking him out after poor results?

Hmmm... lets see.
Daei - vatani - one loss to ksa, a top Asian team ( not exactly Lebanon, right?), .... fired.
GN - vatani - a draw against asia's top 3 team (Iraq nowhere near that), ..... fired

CQ - loss to Lebanon ..... mehhhhh . Bow, bow
draw against Iraq (not exactly Asian top 5 team) ..... mehhhhh. Lets prostate in front of him.


The difference? Is it a bird? Is it a plane? Or is it a certain ''complex'' usually associated with the .. supposed ''blue eyed'' people'?

[naderb94]

I am still laughing at the original post saying KING CARLOS! I had to look away from my computer screen and just start laughing for a couple minutes.

Now for my take on Carlos himself, I feel like he has been Jekyll and Hyde when it has come to his performance. Overall, he has been more good than bad, but lets not praise the man for saving our country's football or something. I like what one of the previous people said that we have the talent, but we aren't nurturing them well. I believe the overall depth of talent is one of the best its ever been, but we need the talent to grow by sending these talents to Europe rather than staying or playing in Qatar/China. The Iran league is just too unorganized for any talents to truly grow which scares me for the futures of Taremi, Sharifi, Karimi, Nariman Jahan, Beirovand, Kaveh Rezaei, ETC. The earlier the move onto Europe, the better for their development. I believe Ezza, JB, Azmoun will be starters for the next 7-10 years if their current development continues. However, I won't shoulder the blame on CQ for this matter. The system in Iran is just messed up and it has alot to do with politics. Now lets not bring 2006 team in this convo because I believe this talent pool has more potential than 2006 but not the star power that 2006 had with Karimi, Hashemian, Mahdvkia, Daei, Neko.

I like how we are starting to invest and build better facilities for the league.. This will won't immediately fix the issue but its a start.

[TheBoss]

Talent drought....