Any analysis of CQ's performance must take into account our TALENT DROUGHT

[Doctor DOOM]

I don't think we need to talk so much about such an absurd claim.

The shortest way to show how absurd this claim is to check how many Chinese players are playing in top leagues. Quite a bundle. Now compare those players with the likes of ours in PGL. Then you'd see nothing about transfers to Europe is so simple. There are a whole host of peripheral issues involved beyond the factor of ''talent/quality of a player''.

We're bending over backward to form a protective shield around CQ. That's not going to be helpful. For either side. Definitely not for those who put Iran as priority. But also for those who put CQ on top as this actually highlights and accentuates his mistakes and flaws even more.
So stop it. You're not helping anyone

[ali alipour]

Sad to see people actually think like this and genuinely believe everything positive in Iranian football is solely because of cq. I'd like to see cq coach Yemen to see if he could get the same results as with Iran.

[Ghermez Agha]

yes, we have 3 "promising" players, I agree with that, but aside from Jahanbakhsh (somewhat), they still haven't fully proven themselves in Europe by putting 3-4 seasons of good play together and could be complete busts. You call 8-9 decent-to-good performances from Taremi, Torabi, Amiri, and Ghafouri 'PROVING THEMSELVES'? No man, scoring 16 goals in the bundesliga in a single season is proving yourself (Hashemian). being a starter in a european club for 2-3 seasons is proving yourself. putting together 15-20 good TM matches and scoring vital goals is proving yourself. None of these players has proven anything. if anything, you're showing how incredibly low our standards have become. Sure, Taremi, Torabi, Amiri are "talents"; I'm not saying they suck, I'm just saying that in comparison to prior generations, these 3 wouldn't even get selected for the squad.

Even if there is "unequal" opportunity for Iranians,surely it's no more unequal than it was 10 years ago, during the Ahmadinejad era, when Iran was an international pariah and countries were lobbying Germany to prevent Iran from participating in WC2006. Even then, worthy TM players like karimi, shojaei, teymourian, and nekounam were going to EPL, La Liga, and Bundesliga. If it's "unequal" now, it was "Unequal" then, so that argument is utter BS.

If you think that Amiri dribbling past players during friendlies, beiranvand having a long throw, or individual highlight performances, warrant a contract in Europe maybe you truly don't understand how this all works. this self victimization is absurd.

It's not just 3, those 3 are the ones that have potential to be the best ever in their respective positions. They all made moves to Europe in their teenage years and 2 out of the 3 got consistent match praxis (JB and Azmoun) from the beginning of their arrival. Name me one time in the history of our football that has ever happened. Keep in mind the world class goals JB scored against Ajax to single handedly keep their hopes of survival alive not to mention the many other goals and assists he had in his first season. I'd be more than happy to compile a list of the upcoming golden era in our football consisting of 10-15 extremely talented players since you seem to be unaware of it. You really think CQ would have opted to stay until 2018 if he didn't see this? Why would he stick here with all the shit he is to deal with day in day out only to possibly fail?

Exactly, it was unequal then and it was unequal now....as you mentioned we had 3-4 guys during that era go to Europe and we have had 3-4 guys in this era make the move to Europe, thanks for proving my point. Nothing has changed....if you don't want to acknowledge guys like Amiri who have performed for TM and their club brilliantly by calling them decent to good performances then that shows where the problem is for you. Everyone else sees it, if you chose not to then I'm not sure what to say. A

[persepolisfan]

Sorry but this is non sense, the talent we have is immense bruh

[Bi-honar]

I don't think we have a talent drought, but even if we did, we still have and will always have a hell of a lot more talent at the full national level than countries like Jordan, Qatar, Syria, Thailand and North Korea, all of which had more points than us at the half way point of the group stage.

And Syria and North Korea are not exactly known for their great facilities, lack of corruption or football budget, so please let's scratch those from the list of excuses as well. Hell, the poor Syrians aren't even playing their matches at home!

As much as I hate excuses, they're at least tolerable if we were comparing ourselves to a top 50 team or even talking about Australia, Japan or South Korea - not when we're talking about teams that are ranked 100-150.

[Z Joon]

I don't think we have a talent drought, but even if we did, we still have and will always have a hell of a lot more talent at the full national level than countries like Jordan, Qatar, Syria, Thailand and North Korea, all of which had more points than us at the half way point of the group stage.

More talent than all the countries outside Japan, Korea and Australia I'd say. Right now we have even more talented players than Australia as well Imo

[foadm_2000]

I don't think we have a talent drought but I def think that our players today are not on the same caliber as our late 90's early 2000 team. I think the likes of Sardar, JB Ezzi, Torabi ... are great but they have a long way before they prove themselves to be like the stars we used to have. They very well may develop into great players for TM and their European teams but I feel like there are not close to that yet. people tend to forget what (Daei, BAgheri, AK, HAshemian, Mahdavikia) did in Europe a decade ago. Even our second rate players like Dinmohammadi and minavand played for european clubs.

[persepolisfan]

we have the most talent in all of asia, above both japan and korea. just look and see how good most children are in Iran, this is because of the gol koochik mentality engrained in our culture.

[mahestan]

we have the most talent in all of asia, above both japan and korea. just look and see how good most children are in Iran, this is because of the gol koochik mentality engrained in our culture.

Do they still make the plastic balls for toop dolaye? I could go for a game of gol koochik right now. Oh the memories.

[pas-bedeh]

Everyone here is talking about "talent". Yes, we have talented players but so what? The structure and philosophy of our football is weak, hence even the most talented players don't grow and develop into top notch footballers. Our players lack discipline and don't fully understand the meaning of being a "professional footballer". Do you folks remember Karimi in BM? Yes, loads of talent, he lasted...what, was it 2 or 3 seasons with sporadic play time? In my opinion, our most successful players, those who are on par with the top layer of players in European leagues, were Daie, Hashemian, Nekoonam, and of course Mahdavikia - all the rest may have gotten their foot in the door but didn't have the mettle to remain as a long term fixture. Anyone remember the 2002 US WC team? Talk about mediocre talent. Yet, they managed to get themselves to the quarterfinals and barely lose to Germany 1-0. TALENT IS NOT ENOUGH!!!
I've always said, the most talented players I've played with were during my high school years in Iran but alas, talent only gets you so far, it discipline, work ethic and a clear strategy that'll allow you to succeed.

[mahestan]

Everyone here is talking about "talent". Yes, we have talented players but so what? The structure and philosophy of our football is weak, hence even the most talented players don't grow and develop into top notch footballers. Our players lack discipline and don't fully understand the meaning of being a "professional footballer". Do you folks remember Karimi in BM? Yes, loads of talent, he lasted...what, was it 2 or 3 seasons with sporadic play time? In my opinion, our most successful players, those who are on par with the top layer of players in European leagues, were Daie, Hashemian, Nekoonam, and of course Mahdavikia - all the rest may have gotten their foot in the door but didn't have the mettle to remain as a long term fixture. Anyone remember the 2002 US WC team? Talk about mediocre talent. Yet, they managed to get themselves to the quarterfinals and barely lose to Germany 1-0. TALENT IS NOT ENOUGH!!!
I've always said, the most talented players I've played with were during my high school years in Iran but alas, talent only gets you so far, it discipline, work ethic and a clear strategy that'll allow you to succeed.

Keywords are discipline, work ethic and clear strategy. I like the way you think.

[rugs]

In my 10 years here I've learned to detect idiots. I knew you were a part of the club when you said that CQs salary is your business because you pay taxes...especially considering you live in the US.

Lol, did he really say that?

Do you comprehend English? Iranian tax payers are allowed to know how much their national football team coach is getting paid. Me paying taxes in US has nothing to do with it. If I'm an idiot, I rather be an idiot than a retard like yourself.

Who are the "Iranian tax payers" you are talking about? It seems you don't know much about how the taxes work in Iran....

I'm curious, when have you yourself ever paid taxes in Iran and what was it for?

[mahestan]

Lol, did he really say that?




Who are the "Iranian tax payers" you are talking about? It seems you don't know much about how the taxes work in Iran....

I'm curious, when have you yourself ever paid taxes in Iran and what was it for?

I did NOT say that. I said I pay taxes in the US, and I get to see how my tax dollars are spent in the US. Thus, people in Iran, who want to know how much CQ gets paid, have the right to know how much IFF pays the TM coach since public funds are paying his salary.

Edit: Here is the comment he is referring to:

http://www.persianfootball.com/forum...=1#post2330397

I do know how taxes work in Iran and how the bureaucracy in Iran works. Don't try to act like you are the know it all on all things Iranian.

[rugs]

Here's what you said:

Do you comprehend English? Iranian tax payers are allowed to know how much their national football team coach is getting paid. Me paying taxes in US has nothing to do with it. If I'm an idiot, I rather be an idiot than a retard like yourself.

So I will ask again:

Who are the "Iranian tax payers" you are talking about?

I'm curious, when have you yourself ever paid taxes in Iran and what was it for?

[mahestan]

Here's what you said:



So I will ask again:

Who are the "Iranian tax payers" you are talking about?

I'm curious, when have you yourself ever paid taxes in Iran and what was it for?

Answer this, are they using public funds to pay CQs salary?