Any analysis of CQ's performance must take into account our TALENT DROUGHT

[mahestan]

Well to be fair, CQ is not wrong. When you come into a country as mismanaged as Iran is, it is only natural that you, who were hired as a manager, try to correct the mismanagement.

It's hard to guess what his intentions are with these comments, but he is not wrong.

What has he done to correct this mismanagement other than complain and nag? I think a couple of times he went to get Visas with some players, and he tried to deal with the Pooladi situation, other than that what has he done to fix mismanagement?

My intentions with these comments? Someone for the love of GOD/ALLAH/BUDDHA get him to complain less. We all know, things in Iran are difficult, he needs to give it a rest.

I think people are missing the fact that our football has turned into a corrupt multi-billion dollar industry in the last 10-15 years run by people who don't give a damn about anything but $$.

People like Hashemian and Nekounam loved the game, that's why they played and made it top leagues from no where.

Most players today love the fame, that's why they play. They are not willing to work hard to make it.

It's as clear as day that our NT team lacks talent to select from. Sure there is potential, but that potential needs to be reached. And as of yet it hasn't.

Yes, the fame and money gets to their head. Remember Shojaei during his store opening in Tehran? The dude had a dollar sign on his lapel.

[ramingeles2000]

Yikes, cringe worthy when we call a coach ''king''.

It's a playful nickname. Plenty of people call him that in Iran.

[ramingeles2000]

What has he done to correct this mismanagement other than complain and nag? I think a couple of times he went to get Visas with some players, and he tried to deal with the Pooladi situation, other than that what has he done to fix mismanagement?

My intentions with these comments? Someone for the love of GOD/ALLAH/BUDDHA get him to complain less. We all know, things in Iran are difficult, he needs to give it a rest.





Yes, the fame and money gets to their head. Remember Shojaei during his store opening in Tehran? The dude had a dollar sign on his lapel.

WHY should CQ stop complaining? other than to not offend sensitive iranian feelings? from my perspective, his complaining has gotten a lot done by showing how corrupt, lazy and stupid IFF and certain elements in the PGL are. Also, it's lit a fire under many players butts.

[mahestan]

WHY should CQ stop complaining? other than to not offend sensitive iranian feelings? from my perspective, his complaining has gotten a lot done by showing how corrupt, lazy and stupid IFF and certain elements in the PGL are. Also, it's lit a fire under many players butts.

Actions speak louder than words. All he does is nag nag nag. Sometimes I wish they would call a a wambulanace for him.

Oh and you thought it isn't his job to teach proper chest trap to players...

[Camran khan]

I agree generally, but your contention that there was "comparatively more action in transfer markets" after WC98 compared to WC2006 is incorrect, which goes against your argument. In fact, our only positive export after the WC was Mahdavikia and (if you want to call it an export) Dinmohammadi. Bagheri, Azizi, Daei, and I'm fairly sure Minavand were already playing in Europe. Compare this to WC2006, where we had a terrible performance but the quality of Teymourian, Shojaei, and Nekounam led to La Liga and EPL berths.

Shojaei went to Europe 2008.

[ramingeles2000]

Actions speak louder than words. All he does is nag nag nag. Sometimes I wish they would call a a wambulanace for him.

Oh and you thought it isn't his job to teach proper chest trap to players...

Ok so you have no response to what I said. Which is OK, except I wish you wouldn't pollute the thread because so far you haven't contributed. And no, it's not a national team coach's duty to teach fundamentals like a chest trap. Do you understand how international coaching works? An international coach's job isn't to teach basic skills, it's to select the best players and develop strategies and lead the team.

[Doctor DOOM]

@ Camran Yes, we basically had nekunam and Ando only.
Due to Just as bad a showing at the WC

[Gotham]

I feel you bro turkmenistan and oman have way more talent than iran. If it wasnt for queiroz we wouldnt even be tying these teams, 3-0 loss at best.

So it's Quieroz's fault Iran isn't good? Is that what you're implying because I don't understand. Bend and twist it in whatever way you want, but the IPL's mediocre performances in the ACL and our shit youth Asian Cup campaigns in the past couple years speak for themselves.

[ramingeles2000]

Shojaei went to Europe 2008.

My mistake, thanks. I forgot he stopped at Sharjah first.

I don't mean to offend any of our great members on this forum. If I didn't respect what people had to say, I wouldn't have spent the last 12 years of my life checking this forum almost daily. I think that because many people follow the PGL so closely, that they become invested in Iranian football and lose the ability to objectively assess our talent. After all, no one wants to believe that they're watching a league full of players with no promise.

But I truly do believe that it's incredibly important to support CQ and our national team right now, and to keep criticisms at a minimum because we're in a very sensitive phase right now as we try to bring in new players and figure out which of the younger stock has a future in a TM jersey. I just think it's unfair to criticize CQ for the subpar performance we've had during this transition - which by the way - is what everyone wanted!

It seems like we want it all. We want to transition and bring new blood into the team, but to also play fluid, beautiful football at the same time. You can't have both.

[Doctor DOOM]

I agree generally, but your contention that there was "comparatively more action in transfer markets" after WC98 compared to WC2006 is incorrect, which goes against your argument. In fact, our only positive export after the WC was Mahdavikia and (if you want to call it an export) Dinmohammadi. Bagheri, Azizi, Daei, and I'm fairly sure Minavand were already playing in Europe. Compare this to WC2006, where we had a terrible performance but the quality of Teymourian, Shojaei, and Nekounam led to La Liga and EPL berths.

That is because most of the talent had already transferred due to another good showing in an international competition: 96 Asia cup.

[mahestan]

Ok so you have no response to what I said. Which is OK, except I wish you wouldn't pollute the thread because so far you haven't contributed. And no, it's not a national team coach's duty to teach fundamentals like a chest trap. Do you understand how international coaching works? An international coach's job isn't to teach basic skills, it's to select the best players and develop strategies and lead the team.

You guys are making him sound like god's gift to earth. According to you guys he has single-handedly made Iranian football be visible to the world since we are so primitive and backward, so you are telling me your KING CQ isn't able to teach a simple chest trap to one of his players?

I did have a response to your comment, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS. CQ needs to DO something to improve TM instead of nagging like an old grandmother.

You guys keep saying we don't have youth infrastructure, why isn't CQ helping with that? Apparently he loves Iran and Iranians so much, I'm sure he wouldn't mind going out of his way a little and help with youth development.

[ramingeles2000]

That is because most of the talent had already transferred due to another good showing in an international competition: 96 Asia cup.

That's a fair point.

[ramingeles2000]

You guys are making him sound like god's gift to earth. According to you guys he has single-handedly made Iranian football be visible to the world since we are so primitive and backward, so you are telling me your KING CQ isn't able to teach a simple chest trap to one of his players?

I did have a response to your comment, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS. CQ needs to DO something to improve TM instead of nagging like an old grandmother.

I don't think he's gods gift to earth, but I think he's fantastic, yes. No one has said he single-handedly made iran more visible (that accolade goes to Ali Daei). I'm saying he brought additional visibility and credibility, which is undisputed. And enough with the chest trap, I know you understand what I'm saying.

[ali alipour]

So it's Quieroz's fault Iran isn't good? Is that what you're implying because I don't understand. Bend and twist it in whatever way you want, but the IPL's mediocre performances in the ACL and our shit youth Asian Cup campaigns in the past couple years speak for themselves.

He can use these excuses against the likes of Japan and Korea but they're not valid when we tie the likes of Turkmenistan and Oman. Especially when both results are heavily influenced by his tactics. Being scared of the pitch in Turkmenistan and just crossing, as well as treating Oman like Argentina and playing so defensively.

Not sure what the acl has to do with having some talent in the league clubs don't need to dominate a continental tournament to have good players on the national team. Look at Chinese clubs their doing well in the acl yet their domestic players are pretty crap. Uzbek teams do horably yet they produce some decent players. Eredivisie teams don't do well yet they have good players in their league. Just look at tm and u23 and see how many of those players play for this past years acl clubs. Not many of them so not much of a point there.

[pas-bedeh]

Wow. Could this thread be more tragically ill-timed ??? Hahaha. I don't think so.
With our youngsters winning the WAFF tournament, despite some one sided refereeing???


Lads like Aliyari (my new favorite player), Mohammad, Motahari, Cheshmi, Daneshgar, ... showing very mature and quality performances.


Hoo boy.... talk about absolute wrong timing.

Not really indicative of if/how they will develop in the future. Remember, Saudi Arabia won the U17 WC back in 1989...non of those players went on to achieve any kind of success outside of their own domestic league. Youth soccer success has a very low correlation with adult/professional soccer success.