Any analysis of CQ's performance must take into account our TALENT DROUGHT

[Bi-honar]

^ in a functional federation, "change" is good and sometimes needed. However, as we all know the history of our beloved football federation, a "change" is just an opportunity for a few corrupt people to find ways to funnel more money into their own pockets. Ofcourse sometimes they miss that opportunity and we end up with an inflexible and un-pushable coach like CQ. Coaches like Ghotbi or Branko are a dime-a-dozen. Strong willed coaches like CQ who have the guts to standup to the corrupt officials in IFF are hard to find.

I don't disagree with any of that Offside jaan. But at the end of the day, that change is going to come sooner or later - like I said we can't keep CQ forever. So we have to face the the fact that the situation may get worse at some point - whether it's now , 6 months from now or at most 2-1/2 years from now.

There was absolutely nothing anyone could have said last summer (after the WC) or even after the Asian Cup to even suggest that a vatani coach should take over - you remember the wave of support that poured in for CQ when certain elements tried to get rid of him. And that pressure was good.

The more support CQ loses with bad or even average results, the less the chance that the fans will put pressure on IFF to make the right decisions when the time for that change finally comes (again, be it tomorrow, 6 months from now or 2-1/2 years from now) and the higher the chance IFF will do the wrong thing.

To exaggerate a bit, heaven forbid we don't make it out of this round of the qualifiers - can you imagine the shit storm raised against foreign coaches for god knows how many years to come or how many years our football program will be set back?

And that's what really scares me at this point. If there was a 50% chance that we could have ended up with another good qualified foreign coach 8 months ago, or there's a 25% chance of the same today, I don't want to be in a position 6 months from now where we're facing a 0% chance. And where we're stuck with that 0% chance for years to come.

The better CQ does, the better it is for all of us - that's a given. But the reverse is also true - the worse he does or the longer we excuse him for not doing better, the worse it will be for all of us.

I guess that's the point I'm trying to make, otherwise hats off to him if he does well for as many years as he wants to stay.

[pas-bedeh]

This line of reasoning isn't helpful. We should not take the rare example to prove a point. We should take the more common examples.
In other words, in your opinion youth systems usually DONT produce future senior nat'l teams or DO they? What does logic say?

Imo,, logic says youth system DOES produce senior teams. I'm not saying they all progress into senior team. But many do, therefore it is logical to invest in them.

Please refer back to your original post, the one I replied to. You were being specific, talking about the team that just won the WAFF tournament, I replied back with a specific example that youth teams can achieve success in a single tournament for their country but that doesn't necessarily translate to club and senior level success. However, if you want to discuss on a more general level, then yes, having a strong youth program will (at the very least) help identify some of the young talent. Notice I said "identify" and not develop, because we can't compare what they accomplish at the youth level in England, Germany, Holland, France, Brazil, Mexico...to what we can accomplish in Iran and other similar footballing countries in the region.

Now going back to my original point, it's irrelevant how much talent our youngsters have - yes, they may even win a tournament or two - what matters is how they develop as a professional at the club/senior level, this is where we lack the fundamental necessities to develop that talent. I personally believe this is largely due to culture/attitude and corruption. I know facilities and funding is usually brought up but we see many African countries with far inferior infrastructure develop highly successful talent for European club level competition. I also would like to add that I see the development of the youth talent being the responsibility of the coach at the club level. On average, a player spends 9-10 months of the year at their club and only one week per game (5 or 6 games per year) with their national team.

[Keano]

Hmmm... lets see.
Daei - vatani - one loss to ksa, a top Asian team ( not exactly Lebanon, right?), .... fired.

DD jaan,

I am sorry but it wasn't only that infamous loss which cost Daei his TM coaching fate. His track record of first round of WCQ against 2nd. and 3rd. tier Asian counterparts were absolutely terrible.

Below is a quote from Ali Daei Wikipedia page:

the Iranian team managed the weakest World Cup Qualification results in its history with only one win out of 5 WCQ games

As for GN I won't even go there, I don't think in the history of TM we have ever had so many star-studded and great players as our 2007 AC tourney...

[Dreamer]

Looks like some members here are finally getting out of the CQ dream, good to see you guys get off the hype train

[sirvan]

You mentioned Ghaleneoi using Enayati and Khatibi on the wings, which brings up a question. Ghaleneoi, a horrible coach, doesn't know how to utilize players, but a world class coach like CQ, why does he insist on using Hajsafi as LB when it isn't working? On top of that, starting Haghighi when he has been shaky and undependable? That seems like coaching mistakes from CQ, similar to the same mistake from Ghaleneoi. Of course I'm sure someone is gonna jump on my question and just say "we don't have players, talent, sarbazi etc etc.

Hajsafi may not be the ideal left back, but he has proven that he can play there. While Enayati and Khatibi have absolutely no business playing as wingers. If you don't have wingers, or better said refuse to select wingers for your team then don't play the 4-3-3 system, simple. Besides i never claimed Quieroz was perfect, but comparing a professional man who has coached teams such as Real Madrid to two moronic amateur coaches is just ludicrous.

[Nariman]

This is your 2nd thread regarding this issue; don’t know why you did not use the previous one. It won’t change the truth by opening a new thread over & over again
http://www.persianfootball.com/forum...ncy&highlight=


Anyway, the "lack of talent" argument is BY FAR the most nonsense excuse ever in the history of Iranian football. No matter what - the very LAST problem we have is "lack of talent" - in fact, the MAIN reason why we manage to stay on top of Asia is solely because of talent & passion, often not only in football.

There are various reasons why we don’t have more players in Europe, and lacking talent is without a doubt NOT one of them. It's foolish to believe that "talent" is the only criteria for players to move to Europe - in this world talent plays a smaller role more & more. There are other reasons like:

- Too much $$$ = spoiled players with lazy attitude
- No management, unnecessary paper work...
- image, political climate (unless we want to close our eyes)
... no need to explain, other members already mentioned everything.

It's not just PFDC members claiming Iranian players have talent, the last couple of years I witnessed enough foreign players/coaches/fans... saying this as well. At the end why is CQ willing to stay? Who would want to work with bunch of corrupted and incompetent idiots, when you actually worked with likes of Real Madrid or Manchester previously. Money? He could earn enough money in some arab team as well, with less stress and better facilities. The answer is clear...

I consider myself as one of CQ's biggest supporter out there; however some exaggerate way too much trying to defend him 24/7. He is no God and not a King - he has his own flaws and weaknesses, but overall indeed is the best we have had so far. The thing is - with CQ we are not going through a talent drought, but rather a GENERATION change - BIG difference here!

Very refreshing to see most don’t seem to have the same opinion, and instead are aware of our real problems. The more energy we waste on rather washed up topics, the less time we have to prepare our team - let’s focus on the real issues. Talent means zero without discipline and proper attidude & management.

[ramingeles2000]

http://www.persianfootball.com/forum...ncy&highlight=

you can call the ability to play good football on a pitch for 90 minutes whatever you want, and you can point to a million factors to explain why someone makes it to europe or doesn't but in the end the fact is that the 11 players that Iran can currently put on the pitch right now is NOT AS GOOD as the 11 players iran has traditionally put on the pitch, and CQ can only be judged by the abilities he has the pitch. i used european players as a measure of general playing ability and i stand by it.