Addressing the short-term memories of many people on PFDC

[Afat11]

So, with the subpar performances of Alireza Haghighi recently, I've heard more people bringing up Daniel Davari recently. People like to say, "hehe, well we know Davari is crap and a statue "

Well, I just have to ask, how short term are some of your memories? The guy was the BEST GK in Bundesliga 2 in 2012-2013. It seems many of you forget why Rahmati chose to LEAVE TM instead of competing with Davari for the GK position in TM. Many of you think it was just some fluke that the guy was ever on CQ's radar.

Please look at these top 5 saves for 3 weeks in the Bundesliga 2013-2014 season. This was just a little over a year ago that Davari was playing weekly in top-flight soccer in a top-3 league in the world! Yes, his team was relegated, but anybody who looked at his team with an objective eye knows he was a major reason for any of their points that season and a highlight. You all like to say "well Haghighi played in Portuguese league last year. Yes, he did. His team was also crap, and I didn't see him being praised by Jurgen Klopp after a monster game against Borussia Dortmund. Davari did very well in 2013-2014, and I'm sick of some of you pretending these performances never happened.

So, why do you all think he "sucks" all of a sudden? He came to TM, had a good game against Thailand, but was untested. He was in a new environment, with players he'd never met, and had a few hiccups. Many of you were here on PFDC HOPING for the guy to fail. Don't sit here and tell me that even half of you gave the guy a fair shake. Same with Beitashour.

So, many of you were giddy with glee when he transferred to Grasshopper. If any of you actually watched him play that season (I watched all the games he was in), he was still solid, but he conceded more than a few goals in 1v1 situations. Whose fault is it when a goalkeeper can't stop 1v1 goals?? The goalie is the last line of defense, and that Grasshoppers team had SHIT defense last year. They continued to suck even after Davari was benched.

He was a scapegoat at Grasshoppers, and his career was harmed by that benching.

Why are many of you dismissing this guy as trash, when even the Bundesliga's official Youtube was frequently highlighting him? Other than "he's a statue" which if any of the retards here on PFDC actually watched him play would see he makes many diving saves with fast reflexes, I hear no rational reasons why he sucks other than some members here wanting it to be true.

Haghighi was a statue against Oman, because of a DEFENSIVE lapse. You guys just want to blame one person. Davari deserves your respect for being the only IRANIAN GK ever to play in the Bundesliga. Many of you can go to hell for disrespecting our player and hoping that his career failed. He is still young for a keeper, and we should be hoping for this guy to get back in the lineup and prove himself in a team like Arminia who can actually defend and don't have Alenemeh and Khanzadeh leaving big holes in front of goal for people to take open shots. Haghighi makes 1 mistake against Oman which is as bad as Davari, and THE WORST mistake I've ever seen by an Iranian GK against Japan with a horrible punch of the ball, and we have idiots here on PFDC saying Haghighi is #2 or #3 in GK ranking and Davari is 7th.

These same Mourinhos are the ones saying __________ is an IPL stud and the best _________ Iran has, and we try these guys and they are trash. How many IPL guys have some members of this board gushed about, who come into the team for 2-5 games and were never seen again? For every 50 players I hear some of you gush about from IPL, about 2-3 have shown themselves to be consistent quality and were able to maintain places in the team. The others were invited to 10 camps and maybe had a couple of appearances and then disappeared. I do not trust your bullshit rankings of players. I hope seeing some of these highlights will remind you why Rahmati fled TM, and why Davari does have inherent quality, despite his bad choice to join that shitty Grasshoppers club last season.

Please, respond with "No, Davari is shit, because he is shit." I'm excited to hear the PFDC scholars talk about the players being statues, etc. despite the fact that this guy was damn good in EUROPE just over one year ago. Oh, and he's 27. Young for a keeper. He is far from done, and many of you writing him off as "he sucks" etc. deserve shitty TM players. Ignoring all of these factors to write somebody off because you have some obvious jealousy is apparent and pathetic.

[Zamboor]

Nobody is saying he sucks i just dont like the fact of using a goalkeeper that doesn't get any playing time. That has been my biggest issue with him all the time.

I still believe in Davari

[Afat11]

Nobody is saying he sucks i just dont like the fact of using a goalkeeper that doesn't get any playing time. That has been my biggest issue with him all the time.

I still believe in Davari

Believe me, a lot of people write him off, and have said he sucks. You probably don't look for it, I see it every time he's ever named here on PFDC. Like I said, he isn't playing for club right now, but neither is Haghighi. I don't think either should be written off as sucking or be banished from the team as a result. Some people make it seem like Davari never deserved to be in TM. That is just ridiculous, and I want people to remember why he was invited in the first place. People were not wanting him to come from the first place based on the fact that Iranians never want outside players coming in. They've been forced to like Dejagah and Gucci, because they immediately fit in, but I'm sure would have loved for them to lose their spots early on like Davari so that they could snicker and laugh and say how much "better" IPL is than Europe. Davari was not given a fair shake by TM and many of the people here. That is clear. The way some here seem to revel in the guy losing his spot and saying "SEE, I WAS RIGHT!!!" is just sad. You aren't right. Davari will make a return to TM at some point, I can guarantee that. It's sad that I know many of you will be chomping at the bit hoping that he will fail.

Can someone on PFDC just point me to ONE player that has been brought in from abroad that any of you supported before they played? If someone can just show me ONE, I will never call PFDC xenophobic and dumb ever again. The problem is, if we followed the opinions of people on PFDC about player quality we would not have qualified to Brazil. We would have had Gholami and his backup Ghazi starting against Korea and Qatar, and we would have seen Uzbekistan in Brazil. I wanted Dejagah and Gucci in the team on the road to Brazil. All those people telling me I'm dumb or stupid for supporting CQ or Davari or Beitashour, at least I'm not as dumb as some of you, who literally would have FUCKED our chances at Brazil if your opinions were given regard. Many of your opinions are trash, but you spout them like its gospel.

[Abtin]

Nobody is saying he sucks i just dont like the fact of using a goalkeeper that doesn't get any playing time. That has been my biggest issue with him all the time.

I still believe in Davari

Haghghi isnt getting any playing time atm either :/

[Doctor DOOM]

Actually to be fair, I've seen quite a few people say Davari sucks. But these are kids with very little control over their emotions. You know ... the usual Iranian fan who sails on the wind's direction. One day this way, the next another.

All our keepers have one flaw or another. But the main thing is nobody should feel he is entitled or guaranteed of his place. Unfortunately o feel Haghighi thinks he is!



Byte, couldn't put this under the keeper thread? Was a new thread necessary?

[Sly]

Dude you post a few videos of Davari when he was in top form and saved balls that came at him where he stood (meaning he didn't need to dive to stop the ball). The saves might look beautiful but why don't you also post videos of his big big blunders in his club?

Don't forget, the reason he was invited in TM was because CQ at the time preferred to invite European based players from left and right! Even if they played in second or third division! It worked with Dejagah and Gucci but Omid Nazari of Sweden was another example who came, wasn't at TM level and then was let go.

At the time Davari was selected for the WC, he was far from his top form (there is a reason why he became number 3). IMO his selection was even all wrong! We had so many goalkeepers who were better than him (and by that I don't mean they were necessarily good) and deserved to be in the squad instead!

[Afat11]

Dude you post a few videos of Davari when he was in top form and saved balls that came at him where he stood (meaning he didn't need to dive to stop the ball). The saves might look beautiful but why don't you also post videos of his big big blunders in his club?

Don't forget, the reason he was invited in TM was because CQ at the time preferred to invite European based players from left and right! Even if they played in second or third division! It worked with Dejagah and Gucci but Omid Nazari of Sweden was another example who came, wasn't at TM level and then was let go.

At the time Davari was selected for the WC, he was far from his top form (there is a reason why he became number 3). IMO his selection was even all wrong! We had so many goalkeepers who were better than him (and by that I don't mean they were necessarily good) and deserved to be in the squad instead!

It's funny that you choose to clump Davari in with Nazari. That is the first sign of how low you think of him. The guy was in Bundesliga, yes German Division 1, when invited. The better comparison is Steven Beitashour, who is currently kicking butt in MLS, and people who hated him before are calling for a TM call up now to see if he can provide depth.

Your second assumption is that Davari was 3rd choice in Brazil? I'm not going to say you're wrong, just going to say that every argument you've provide is based on huge assumptions. You assume that Davari is like Nazari, a youth player, and you assume that Davari was 3rd in Brazil. If we're making random assumptions and pulling stuff out of thin air, then yes your arguments make sense. Focusing on blunders in last year, yes, I addressed those. I'm not saying he's God. You're saying he's trash, and I've provided proof that he can play well. I also said that he was on a crap team last year, and the GK who replaced him did as badly as he did. It's explainable, and he was scapegoated on that team. You don't want to see it, which many of you don't. You will go fishing to find something to explain why you think he's bad. I will take Jurgen Klopp's assessment of Davari's quality over PFDC contributor Sly's assessment. Go find me his blunders in the 2012-2013 season when he carried Braunschweig to promotion and I'll concede he sucks. You won't. His defense actually played well that season. His defense was overpowered in Bundesliga, and he still looked decent and last year his defense sucked ass, just like Haghighi's. Panafiel would have benched Haghighi too after all those 3-0 losses, but they didn't have any viable alternative.

If you think Davari is so bad, did you think Haghighi was a crappy last week before these 2 bad games? Likely not. You will forgive Haghighi's 3-0 Portuguese league losses until they hurt TM, but for some reason, Davari's losses show how "shit" he is. Where were you last month or the month before telling us how shit Haghighi is? He had more than a few blunders last season and is now on the bench....

I just think it's typical that you have this attitude towards Davari but don't see how hypocritical you are. Now, you say Haghighi is shit, but you weren't a week ago. You still gave him the benefit of the doubt, rightly so, but why no benefit of the doubt for Davari?

Oh, and you knew he never should have been invited??? Yeah, no bias there. You are literally the typical TM follower I was talking about. I bet you knew Dejagah and Gucci would fail too like 90% of the people here on PFDC. Who's this Gucci guy from 2nd division Netherlands?? Yeah, I'm sure you knew it (or just hoped for it).

[persepolisfan]

Prior to the world cup my German friend asked if davari was going to be our GK. I told him that it looks like it, and that we were in dire need of someone to solidify their position as keeper. He responded by saying that davari was one of the worst bundles liga keepers with all due respect. After watching his highlights, I realized my friend was spot on. He is a statue, and relies on his feet for pretty much everything. He is not TM material folks, let's forget about the past and be progressive minded. I'm not saying that we should not keep an eye out for Iranian decent legionnaires, but davari has proven that he is indeed a liability in goal.

[Navid_M]

Why are you talking about short-term memory when you clearly can't remember that he gifted 2 goals to Guinea in 2014, causing us to lose the game in Azadi? Or when he stood as still as a statue when he let in an easy goal vs Angola?

The guy plays well for his club occasionally, he just can't perform for TM.

[Gucci10]

Prior to the world cup my German friend asked if davari was going to be our GK. I told him that it looks like it, and that we were in dire need of someone to solidify their position as keeper. He responded by saying that davari was one of the worst bundles liga keepers with all due respect. After watching his highlights, I realized my friend was spot on. He is a statue, and relies on his feet for pretty much everything. He is not TM material folks, let's forget about the past and be progressive minded. I'm not saying that we should not keep an eye out for Iranian decent legionnaires, but davari has proven that he is indeed a liability in goal.

No other Iranian keeper would do better than Davari with a retarded defence in Bundesliga.

[Karimi 8]

He has my full support and I hope that he regains his form. But how he was and used to play is irrelevant. It is how he is now and right now his form is not good, if it was Carlos would have invited him back. Also how you play for your club doesn't always mean you play well for TM. for example masoud was playing very well for his clubs but time after time he had poor performances with TM. At this point masoud could be a starter for Real Madrid and be playing well for them but I would still say we shouldn't invite him because his club performance is not being transferred to TM for whatever reason. Davari didn't get too much of a chance in TM and he let in a few bad goals, maybe he will get invited again at some point but I don't see why he should be invited now.

[Sly]

It's funny that you choose to clump Davari in with Nazari. That is the first sign of how low you think of him. The guy was in Bundesliga, yes German Division 1, when invited. The better comparison is Steven Beitashour, who is currently kicking butt in MLS, and people who hated him before are calling for a TM call up now to see if he can provide depth.

Your second assumption is that Davari was 3rd choice in Brazil? I'm not going to say you're wrong, just going to say that every argument you've provide is based on huge assumptions. You assume that Davari is like Nazari, a youth player, and you assume that Davari was 3rd in Brazil. If we're making random assumptions and pulling stuff out of thin air, then yes your arguments make sense. Focusing on blunders in last year, yes, I addressed those. I'm not saying he's God. You're saying he's trash, and I've provided proof that he can play well. I also said that he was on a crap team last year, and the GK who replaced him did as badly as he did. It's explainable, and he was scapegoated on that team. You don't want to see it, which many of you don't. You will go fishing to find something to explain why you think he's bad. I will take Jurgen Klopp's assessment of Davari's quality over PFDC contributor Sly's assessment. Go find me his blunders in the 2012-2013 season when he carried Braunschweig to promotion and I'll concede he sucks. You won't. His defense actually played well that season. His defense was overpowered in Bundesliga, and he still looked decent and last year his defense sucked ass, just like Haghighi's. Panafiel would have benched Haghighi too after all those 3-0 losses, but they didn't have any viable alternative.

If you think Davari is so bad, did you think Haghighi was a crappy last week before these 2 bad games? Likely not. You will forgive Haghighi's 3-0 Portuguese league losses until they hurt TM, but for some reason, Davari's losses show how "shit" he is. Where were you last month or the month before telling us how shit Haghighi is? He had more than a few blunders last season and is now on the bench....

I just think it's typical that you have this attitude towards Davari but don't see how hypocritical you are. Now, you say Haghighi is shit, but you weren't a week ago. You still gave him the benefit of the doubt, rightly so, but why no benefit of the doubt for Davari?

Oh, and you knew he never should have been invited??? Yeah, no bias there. You are literally the typical TM follower I was talking about. I bet you knew Dejagah and Gucci would fail too like 90% of the people here on PFDC. Who's this Gucci guy from 2nd division Netherlands?? Yeah, I'm sure you knew it (or just hoped for it).

LOL...dude...it seems like you have some kind of a bias for Davari! Is he your cousin or something by any chance?

If he's not invited to TM, he's not good enough! If Haghigh is invited then obviously CQ sees something in him that he doesn't see in Davari! It's as simple as that! Deal with it!

[jahandoost]

Davari "currently" sucks...

[arvin_guzoo]

Same thing goes for Beitasour, I truly believe he should be invited to the TM camps. He will make the players sweat and and depth to the sqaud. Beitashour is a old fashion type of player that may not have all the flash but the boy works dam hard and it shows (when he was on the SJ earthquakes i used to visit his practices). He is a solid no non-sense right back.

[ali alipour]

Same thing goes for Beitasour, I truly believe he should be invited to the TM camps. He will make the players sweat and and depth to the sqaud. Beitashour is a old fashion type of player that may not have all the flash but the boy works dam hard and it shows (when he was on the SJ earthquakes i used to visit his practices). He is a solid no non-sense right back.

Thats definitely not the same thing. Beitashour is a consistent starter for his team while Davari hasent played a single game since october 2014. Even though beitashour and his team havent been playing well recently, a call up for him wouldnt be out of the question especially considering ghafouri will be out for 3 weeks. While there would be zero reason for queiroz to call up Davari.