Steven Beitashour @ Toronto FC | 2015/16

[Afat11]

I literally refuted your points with pointing to their playing styles with rezaeians clearly fitting querioz style better. It doesn't matter what you want, maybe that's where you're going wrong here. I'm going off of what Queiroz wants in a rb and rezaeian and ghafouri fit that better than Beitashour. If you actually watched him play you would know this.

Your whole post was basically criticizing rezaeians appearance yet I'm the childish one... Then you didn't even reply to any of the points I made about Beitashour lack of offensive ability compared to rezaeian and how that impacts who gets called up. Seems like the typical "I don't know how to counter your points so I'm going to bring up irreleveland thing and call you childish".

It’s hard to argue against your opinion though to be honest. You saying Rezaeian is better offensively comes from which objective metric? The problem with you as a poster on this forum is that you have always seemed to have a vendetta against foreign call-ups, and try to make your opinion fact. You bolster the players that you personally like and ignore their weaknesses. You downplay players you don’t personally like, and try your best to ignore their strengths. When a player you talk badly about performs well, you are unsurprisingly absent from the positive threads about them.

So, before you go and act like you’re on a superior high-ground to other posters (which you do often) look into the mirror and try your best to see these flaws. We all have them, and I can and have admitted my flaws many times.

I doubt you could do the same in all honesty. You have a very self-righteous, smug, and short demeanor, and you’ve been on my block list for quite a while (I saw your post as I was logged off and checking on my phone).

You’re a negative guy, and I honestly never look forward to your posts when I do see them. You always hold your opinions as fact, and I can’t even excuse your demeanor as youthful ignorance like some other posters who post like you. You’ve been here a while, learn to let people have their own opinions on players.

My opinion on the topic is different from yours. I’d say Ghafouri is our best defensive RB, Rezaeian our best overall, but Beitashour has the best crossing which is important from a wing player. This is just my opinion though, and I don’t need or want you to agree. Have your opinions, but stop calling people wrong for disagreeing with what you believe in. You do it way too often.

[inarsenewetrust]

I am open to any player, as long as they are the best for TM. In this case though, I am confident in the abilities of Rezaeian and Ghafouri and dont think that Beitashour is better than those two players at all, and those two are bedded in with CQ defensive schemes for the past 4 years, and have good chemistry with the rest of our defense and team. ARJ and Ramin in particular have a good understanding down that right side

[ali alipour]

It’s hard to argue against your opinion though to be honest. You saying Rezaeian is better offensively comes from which objective metric? The problem with you as a poster on this forum is that you have always seemed to have a vendetta against foreign call-ups, and try to make your opinion fact. You bolster the players that you personally like and ignore their weaknesses. You downplay players you don’t personally like, and try your best to ignore their strengths. When a player you talk badly about performs well, you are unsurprisingly absent from the positive threads about them.

So, before you go and act like you’re on a superior high-ground to other posters (which you do often) look into the mirror and try your best to see these flaws. We all have them, and I can and have admitted my flaws many times.

I doubt you could do the same in all honesty. You have a very self-righteous, smug, and short demeanor, and you’ve been on my block list for quite a while (I saw your post as I was logged off and checking on my phone).

You’re a negative guy, and I honestly never look forward to your posts when I do see them. You always hold your opinions as fact, and I can’t even excuse your demeanor as youthful ignorance like some other posters who post like you. You’ve been here a while, learn to let people have their own opinions on players.

My opinion on the topic is different from yours. I’d say Ghafouri is our best defensive RB, Rezaeian our best overall, but Beitashour has the best crossing which is important from a wing player. This is just my opinion though, and I don’t need or want you to agree. Have your opinions, but stop calling people wrong for disagreeing with what you believe in. You do it way too often.

Its barely even an opinion. Watch Beitashour play and you'll see that he doesn't get forward. He passes the ball backwards and to the side and rarely takes on a player one on one. He's actually a pretty good crosser so if he was able to get forward why wouldn't he? And it's not like it's tfc's gameplan either, the LB morrow has plenty of goals the last 2 seasons. While with Giovinco and altidore upfront, Beitashour has only managed 6 assists in 68 games for tfc. Rezaeian has shown his offensive capabilities in tm and with limited minutes has already scored a goal in a much better league than mls (which Beitashour hasent been able to do in years) and also made trouble for a good marseille side.

I've never said anything to show that I like rezaeian, he's just shown to be better offensively than Beitashour. I actually think that ghafouri is the best overall rb. I've also never said anything about Beitashour that wasn't related to how he fits to tm's system.

Anyone who has been on this forum for a bit knows that you love anything related to dual national players (especially Davari) so I guess you're upset that I don't automatically think anything born and raised abroad is better. I don't have a bias against players born or raised abroad, I'm literally born and raised in Canada... If I disliked them then that would pretty much mean I dislike myself.

But I don't obsess over or get excited over these players either. If a player is good for tm then I don't care whether they play in Iran or in Europe or MLS which is why I don't bust a nut everytime a nobody like jami rafati comes around. You also don't see me busting a nut for someone like alipour who will most likely amount to nothing.

[Afat11]

Its barely even an opinion. Watch Beitashour play and you'll see that he doesn't get forward. He passes the ball backwards and to the side and rarely takes on a player one on one. He's actually a pretty good crosser so if he was able to get forward why wouldn't he? And it's not like it's tfc's gameplan either, the LB morrow has plenty of goals the last 2 seasons. While with Giovinco and altidore upfront, Beitashour has only managed 6 assists in 68 games for tfc. Rezaeian has shown his offensive capabilities in tm and with limited minutes has already scored a goal in a much better league than mls (which Beitashour hasent been able to do in years) and also made trouble for a good marseille side.

I've never said anything to show that I like rezaeian, he's just shown to be better offensively than Beitashour. I actually think that ghafouri is the best overall rb. I've also never said anything about Beitashour that wasn't related to how he fits to tm's system.

Anyone who has been on this forum for a bit knows that you love anything related to dual national players (especially Davari) so I guess you're upset that I don't automatically think anything born and raised abroad is better. I don't have a bias against players born or raised abroad, I'm literally born and raised in Canada... If I disliked them then that would pretty much mean I dislike myself.

But I don't obsess over or get excited over these players either. If a player is good for tm then I don't care whether they play in Iran or in Europe or MLS which is why I don't bust a nut everytime a nobody like jami rafati comes around. You also don't see me busting a nut for someone like alipour who will most likely amount to nothing.

To be fair, when Ghoddos was first brought up on here, I was one of the main people posting how he didn't deserve a call-up because he was objectively playing against low level competition. So please don't say that I automatically like all foreign-based players. I was defending Davari and Beita because of how antagonistic so many of you were towards them after their call-ups. The same you had attempted to do to guys like Dejagah and Gucci. Again, your opinion is your opinion, and many of the things you say I can agree with. Still it is subjective to say who is better than who. You won't convince me, and I won't convince you.

I just don't appreciate when you say "______ is trash, statue and is a horrible player". You just happened to be right with Davari burning out, but this argument of who deserves what is entirely subjective. I never said Davari deserved to be 100% starter of TM forever, because that would be how you described me as kissing the butt of all foreign players. I was in the middle, saying we should give players who played in Bundesliga more than 4 games to judge them forever.

The difference between me and you is you actually do say "Davari is crap and never deserves to wear a TM shirt." It's hilarious to me how the first time he conceded a goal some of you were saying that. Try to not be so dismissive of players, and I won't be so defensive. The same people who are saying Biranvand should never touch a TM shirt again are the same crowd you're in. We only lose with this reactionary and short-sighted point of view.

[Gotham]

Few interesting facts:

- MLS Cup prize money: $275,000 | CONCACAF Champions League prize money: $500,000

- Following an awkward reconstruction of the CCL, there isn't a group stage anymore and instead skips right to the R16 from here on. The competition will end April 26, 2018 at the latest, which means Esteve still has the chance to become a champions league winner well before the WC starts... if this does happen, it's not even a debate anymore on whether he should be included (assuming he stays on with TFC).

[inarsenewetrust]

To be fair to ghoddos, he showed himself on high level stage ( Europa League) , before he convinced many people here. Especially the performances vs galatasaray. Beiatshour was poor in the few games he did play for iran ( i know he could have improved a lot since then), but a player doing well in MLS is like a player doing well in PGPL, what is worth really ? Obviously some players in these leagues may totally be at the level of their national team, but often are overlooked. For example mahini has been rock solid for PP, can play any defensive position, was in ACL team of the tournament. I think he deserves a call up.

[Gotham]

Can you guys stop comparing Iran's trash league to MLS? How the fuck is a league worse than UAE and Saudi's league on par with MLS

[Iran_19]

Beitashour surely deserve a call, when you see a guy like Hossein Mahini was invited few times. I still think Vouria should start in WC. but he Beit can compete with Ramin for the back up spot.

[Nokhodi]

Can you guys stop comparing Iran's trash league to MLS? How the fuck is a league worse than UAE and Saudi's league on par with MLS

You have terrible opinions.

[Gotham]

You have terrible opinions.

It's not an opinion.

[Afat11]

It's not an opinion.

I would say there is a valid argument that they are similar in quality. Although MLS has a great deal of aging "stars" from Europe, they share many issues that face IPL. MLS teams also don't win their CONCACAF champions league either, and their league does have an amateur feel to it, but can still beat European opposition at times in friendlies (as IPL clubs have done too).

I think it's unreasonable to not call it an opinion. It is an opinion 100%, as from their performances you could call the leagues quite similar in quality. In many ways, I see parallels between Iranian and American football. Especially on the international level, where we have tended in the past to do well every 8 years in terms of WCQ, similar to how US does well every 8 years and sucks in between. Also, they tend to play to their opponents' strength too. Play like Guatemala when playing Guatemala, and play like Germany when playing Germany. Up until the last 3 years or so and CQ's team identity, this was exactly TM football, and we are lucky to have a quality coach to break that mentality.

That's a bit off topic, but it should be noted that arguing that two mid-level countries like US and Iran will share strengths and weaknesses. This is seen in the leagues as well, which are both honestly not close to the top European level. I would probably agree with either side being better as they have different strengths.

[naderb94]

I would say there is a valid argument that they are similar in quality. Although MLS has a great deal of aging "stars" from Europe, they share many issues that face IPL. MLS teams also don't win their CONCACAF champions league either, and their league does have an amateur feel to it, but can still beat European opposition at times in friendlies (as IPL clubs have done too).

I think it's unreasonable to not call it an opinion. It is an opinion 100%, as from their performances you could call the leagues quite similar in quality. In many ways, I see parallels between Iranian and American football. Especially on the international level, where we have tended in the past to do well every 8 years in terms of WCQ, similar to how US does well every 8 years and sucks in between. Also, they tend to play to their opponents' strength too. Play like Guatemala when playing Guatemala, and play like Germany when playing Germany. Up until the last 3 years or so and CQ's team identity, this was exactly TM football, and we are lucky to have a quality coach to break that mentality.

That's a bit off topic, but it should be noted that arguing that two mid-level countries like US and Iran will share strengths and weaknesses. This is seen in the leagues as well, which are both honestly not close to the top European level. I would probably agree with either side being better as they have different strengths.

At the end of the day, MLS will be more of a professional league. You never hear the BS of unpaid wages and the drama that we see in IPL every day

[mahestan]

At the end of the day, MLS will be more of a professional league. You never hear the BS of unpaid wages and the drama that we see in IPL every day

And last time I checked, one of their top teams isn't banned by FIFA for player transfers because of breaking rules/regulations.

[Kiarash]

Steven Beitashour @ Toronto FC | 2015/16

The Gibraltar League is also professional since it’s UEFA licensed and players get salary, so by some logic here it’s better than IPL.

[Ali Doust]

The Gibraltar League is also professional since it’s UEFA licensed and players get salary, so by some logic here it’s better than IPL.

On a professional aspect YES it is better.