who's to blame and what to do for our youth football's underachievement?

[tmfan]

I really wanted Iran to qualify for the finals so that our young players can move to Europe....

[littlepersia17]

who's to blame and what to do for our youth football's underachievement?

I really wanted Iran to qualify for the finals so that our young players can move to Europe....

It would've helped our players out alot, but it is what it is.

we should just focus on the upcoming youth world cups and try to qualify for them.

[Ardalan]

Pas az salhaa, ba'ziha dar federatione football famhidan ke Teame Mellie bozorgsalemon niyaaz be barnamerizie deraz-moddat dare va hamchenin yek morrabi baa karnameye khoob va danesh va shenakhte footballe herfeyi.

Team Melli hanoz az nazare sharayat kambodhaye ziyadi dare amma in team ye barnamehaai be har hal dare va yek raahi ra pey gerefte ke mosbat ast.

Teame Omid niyaaz be yek barnameye 4 sale dare ke bayad hamin emsal aghaaz beshe.
Bayad bebinim federation in ra saranjam fahmide ta talash kone ta ba yek morabbie herfei ba yek karnameye khob emza kone va ejaze bede ke team sakhte beshe.

[AIrani]

Good points have been stated. In Iran, there is conflict of interest even Ali Daie was using Ali Daie's shirt, why?). Organizations must be independent. Too many people have their hands in the pie, so to speak.

Sport must be separate from government. Sport must be separate from religion. In Iran, religion gets into sports. Whose fault's is that? I say people. Keep your damn religion to yourself.

We need academies similar to Mahdavi-kia's academy. The more the better.

Let women into stadium. Women are part of our society and many, especially young girls would love to participate in sports.

Part of the money that goes to Lebanon, should go to sport infrastructure. In Iran government wants to control stadiums but expects private money to build or refurbish the buildings. This has not happened and will not happen.

If problems do not get corrected, there will not be consistency in sports, some years Iran will win and some years it will lose. While Japan keeps winning.

[Doctor DOOM]

Lol. "part of...''????

[TheBoss]

We have never been a good "team". We have always had spectacular players, talented players, but we have rarely been a good "team".

Only recently because of CQ we have a good senior team, but our youth teams still suffer from that problem.

Good coaches are very important. Look at Persepolis and what Branko had done with them. They use to play like headless chickens, now they are playing like a good team because of Branko and the talent of their players is being used and shown.

[Ali.Karimi79]

The day we stopped caring about the game itself is when it all went to hell.

I can't pinpoint an exact time, but somewhere in the 1380s. That's when our football became more about self advancement and money. I'm not talking about players, they themselves are a by product of the curroption. It's the managers and administrators that are to blame.

Everything in Iran is a facade. To maintain the facade that we have a professional league, we did everything but make it professional. We hired expensive foreign managers, paid players ridiculous salaries, created shows and garnered media attention to something that is a complete farce. And every product that comes out of it is a farce. The only real football we are witness to are the footballers that left Iran for better leagues(Nekounam) or those that were raised outside the farce(Gucci, Dejagah).

Our football is like the value of the rial. It is propped up to maintian the image that it is real, but when push comes to shove it crashes.

Gone are the days of players who played for the love of the game and managers who coached for the love of it. So long as everyone is concerned with maintaining their position and influence, nothing will change.

That is by far the best comment ever made in an iranian forum to say so.
I salute you rugs jan.
It is exactly like you said. Nothing to add more.

So damn true!

[rugs]

That is by far the best comment ever made in an iranian forum to say so.
I salute you rugs jan.
It is exactly like you said. Nothing to add more.

So damn true!

Thanks Aziz. Although I should be docked a point for misspelling corrupt

[BacheLot]

MONEY bitches.....! or should i say lack there of ...?
No money No honey...!! thats what it really boils down for us

in modern day football(& no its not just Iran it in ALL OVER THE WORLD..!), Money is the only thing that rules supreme...!

in our case, you can also add Extreme Corruption at managerial and organizational levels which drain the little bit of funds that there is before it can get channeled to the right football programs..!

[Nariman]

To be honest we always discuss the same things after each failure - and nothing really changes. At the end we all know what is truly wrong, not only with our football - but let’s keep that for the general forum...we won’t witness major changes in the future as long as this regime exists, simple as that. At best we can only fix the "surface" with coaches like CQ to get some results temporary, but the rotten roots will remain!

Regarding our U-23 team:

We are partly to be blamed for not putting more pressure on the federation. While we were ridiculously discussing about CQ - a waste of time - they constantly changed the coaches and finally put in power probably one of the worse staff available. What do you expect from a coach whose best achievement in his whole career was to coach Steel Azin (and failing hard.) As if this was not enough, they added some maniac to the staff that can’t even get a job in IPL anymore. It was absolutely shocking to see that we did not protest enough and instead closed our eyes, only waking up before the final tournament, when it already was way too late.

On PFDC alone, how many threads did we have about CQ and how many about exposing the incompetence of Khakpour and his staff, mainly MK? We didn’t seem to care enough about our omid team and therefore should be honest and blame ourselves first. The same people that were funnily questioning CQ closed their eyes on the incompetence of Khakpour/MK. From day 1 these guys were appointed to lead our youth team it was clear we will have a hard time, but we still hoped for a "enshallah, belakhare ye joori halesh mikonim dige..."

Now I don’t want to beat a dead horse. Khakpour seems to be a good person and he did learn few things, improving his coaching skills - but that's the thing! Our TM Omid should NOT be a place for coaches to gain experience, as we need experienced coaches to lead our players instead! So at the end Khakpour deserves to be criticized for accepting this job - just like the majority of Iranian coaches he overestimated himself and was not ready to start from the bottom, hence immediately looking for a high position. Meanwhile this GohAn destroyed the cooperation with CQ, created nothing but hashiye for the youth and senior team at the same time and Khakpour just didn’t have the authority/guts to tell this idiot to shut up or at best kick him out.

Surely it’s not fair to badmouth everything, we had some good games as well, but overall this team depended too much on individual quality and had no real philosophy. We might have played our best game against Japan, but eventually in the extra time Khakpour’s inexperience at such crucial stage was exposed again. The team obviously was not prepared and totally lost its composure as the staff had no clue how to keep the boys in the game...

[fairplay]

Have a question, why a country like Iraq with all the internal problems is doing better than Iran?

[PersianLegion]

Have a question, why a country like Iraq with all the internal problems is doing better than Iran?

They use overage players and their mafia is less complicated than our football mafia, so few good players can make the national team. Our football is plagued with corrupted networks at the moment who make money get you into team from clubs and the players. You have to pay your way to the line up in famous clubs. That is why the most talented players won't make it to senior level. Only few who have money or connection can somehow find a chance to shine.

[Z Joon]

Have a question, why a country like Iraq with all the internal problems is doing better than Iran?

They've always done better than the rest of Asia in youth games simply because of overage players, those players become nothing on their senior teams because most of them hit their late 20s and are just average players, there's not much more to say.

[PersianLegion]

A very good point is to ask our younger players who have talents to move to Europe or far east Asia to develop with less corruption. When I was 10-12 football was still the most important hobby for me but when I was growing up I noticed many of my peers stopped playing serious football like we used to (3-4 hours daily) and were at home playing video games. This has also changed the general attitude toward any sport in general.

We are changing from a physically involved nation to more PC oriented fans. This is a shame every year the number of Iranian football players are getting less and less. At least it is happening here where I live. 3 years ago we had so many people that we almost had two entire teams as subs in just one of the locations that used to go. I used to go to 3 different fields and all of them were full of Iranians. Now it is so shameful. There are not even enough players to field two full teams so we usually play against Mexicans, Koreans or other random dudes. Few incidents had some effects such as people who were responsible for team either died or had some injuries (broken leg, broken hand, and several knee injuries). The leaders and more serious players showed less interest due to the risk of injuries considering very expensive medical treatment.

[Gotham]

They've always done better than the rest of Asia in youth games simply because of overage players, those players become nothing on their senior teams because most of them hit their late 20s and are just average players, there's not much more to say.

How about the 2007 Asian Cup? That's more success than us in the 21st century