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Originally posted by 04041374 View PostI think almost all of them have an one-year contract, at least according to Transfermarkt.
But still an awkward way to build a squad? Taremi should take every chance there is to play in Bundesliga, but not the most ideal situation if your sporting director has that short term perspective on things..?
On the other hand, they were newly promoted last year and since they managed to cling on and hope to do so again, they might wanna have some flexibility depending on how the season goes.
Either way, posho Mehdi!
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If this is real than I think we are all seeing what we once predicted!
It's that when one player goes to Europe from Iran and succeeds (Sardar, JB, etc.), more European clubs are thirsty for our players. Sure Taremi is plenty behind Azmoun talent wise, but he is one of Azmoun's teammates on TM, and that itself can draw a lot of attention.
Believe it or not, Azmoun's goal yesterday and a few weeks ago against Athletico not only helped Sardar's future, but also the futures of his teammates!
I expect to see Torabi, Taremi, and maybe even Amiri in Europe!!
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Originally posted by Iranianarsenal11 View PostIf this is real than I think we are all seeing what we once predicted!
It's that when one player goes to Europe from Iran and succeeds (Sardar, JB, etc.), more European clubs are thirsty for our players. Sure Taremi is plenty behind Azmoun talent wise, but he is one of Azmoun's teammates on TM, and that itself can draw a lot of attention.
Believe it or not, Azmoun's goal yesterday and a few weeks ago against Athletico not only helped Sardar's future, but also the futures of his teammates!
I expect to see Torabi, Taremi, and maybe even Amiri in Europe!!
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Originally posted by Iranianarsenal11 View PostIf this is real than I think we are all seeing what we once predicted!
It's that when one player goes to Europe from Iran and succeeds (Sardar, JB, etc.), more European clubs are thirsty for our players. Sure Taremi is plenty behind Azmoun talent wise, but he is one of Azmoun's teammates on TM, and that itself can draw a lot of attention.
Believe it or not, Azmoun's goal yesterday and a few weeks ago against Athletico not only helped Sardar's future, but also the futures of his teammates!
I expect to see Torabi, Taremi, and maybe even Amiri in Europe!!
But I totally agree with the rest and this is why I was heavily disappointed to see likes of Cashkan or Gucci ending up in some shitty arab hole - while some said it doesn’t matter as long as they play good for TM. This is nonsense - we need our players to shine in Europe and open the doors for others to come!Formerly known as Persianking!
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Originally posted by Nariman View PostTalent wise actually Taremi is better than Azmoun. At top form he might be the most complete striker we have, but that mean ZERO when you don’t work on that potential and get wasted in Iran - hence why Azmoun is head & shoulders above him.
But I totally agree with the rest and this is why I was heavily disappointed to see likes of Cashkan or Gucci ending up in some shitty arab hole - while some said it doesn’t matter as long as they play good for TM. This is nonsense - we need our players to shine in Europe and open the doors for others to come!
Azmoun's left nut has more talent than Taremi. Even if Taremi went to Europe, he wouldn't come close to the production Azmoun has had.
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Originally posted by Iranianarsenal11 View PostNo… lol
Azmoun's left nut has more talent than Taremi. Even if Taremi went to Europe, he wouldn't come close to the production Azmoun has had.
I have been following Azmoun and Taremi at the time not even many Iranians knew about them. I think skill wise Taremi indeed has more potential, but Azmoun easily surpassed him in almost all areas because he worked on his talent. Really reminds of me of Ali Daei - not that talented as Karimi, Kia or many others - but he had the discipline and instinct that made him so successful.Formerly known as Persianking!
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Originally posted by Nariman View PostThese are superficial comments, don’t get fooled by the “hype” TBH I guess you do not follow PGL enough to understand what I am saying. Likes of Azmoun or Jahanbakhsh were not super unique talents in our league, but they managed to top everyone because they moved to Europe at a young age and progressed each day. But talent wise, we had and have plenty of players on the same level - but talents means nothing when you don’t work on it.
I have been following Azmoun and Taremi at the time not even many Iranians knew about them. I think skill wise Taremi indeed has more potential, but Azmoun easily surpassed him in almost all areas because he worked on his talent. Really reminds of me of Ali Daei - not that talented as Karimi, Kia or many others - but he had the discipline and instinct that made him so successful.
With that being said, Taremi had and still has great physical presence and still is a talent that is rough and could be polished into something very good given the resources. So in that case I agree, but that goes for all of our domestic players. They don't maximize their potential staying in an environment domestically that has no infrastructure in evolving players further, but Taremi is no Azmoun.
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Originally posted by Nariman View PostThese are superficial comments, don’t get fooled by the “hype” TBH I guess you do not follow PGL enough to understand what I am saying. Likes of Azmoun or Jahanbakhsh were not super unique talents in our league, but they managed to top everyone because they moved to Europe at a young age and progressed each day. But talent wise, we had and have plenty of players on the same level - but talents means nothing when you don’t work on it.
I have been following Azmoun and Taremi at the time not even many Iranians knew about them. I think skill wise Taremi indeed has more potential, but Azmoun easily surpassed him in almost all areas because he worked on his talent. Really reminds of me of Ali Daei - not that talented as Karimi, Kia or many others - but he had the discipline and instinct that made him so successful.
I don't even want to think of how good Iran would have been the past decade if our players were given opportunities in Europe at 18 like Japanese and Koreans. A tactically sound coach like Queiroz leading a squad with the raw talent found in Iran, but trained with European quality and work-ethic, we'd be a top-15 ranked team and probably be frequent quarterfinalists in World Cup.
Sadly, we don't have those opportunities. Hopefully Sardar will open the door. I believe him and Jahanbakhsh already made the way for Ezatollahi, Karimi and Mohammadi. Hopefully our backbone will be very strong by 2018 WC. I don't see Taremi being a big piece in the team. I think that he will be surpassed, although I agree he could have been something special. It may be too late for him to go to Europe and succeed, but anything is possible. I hope he does, but history and time are not on his side.
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There are plenty of players who never played in the U-national teams and have been discovered by IPL teams in their twenties and now ultimately made it to TM or are scouted by European teams: Not only Taremi, but also Mohammadi brothers, Torabi, Shojaeian, Ebrahimi, Amiri.
For example in 2014, Milad and Mehrdad were playing in a 3rd tier team in the age of 20/21 until they had a trial with Rah Ahan. One of them is now a starter in Russia and the other one was one of IPL's best goalscorers.
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Originally posted by Hormozgan View PostBruh, just stop. I'm a Persepolisi too, but come on. When Sardar was 15 he was picked up by one of the country's best academies and went on to perform really well in the youth TM and becoming a professional abroad at 18. When Taremi was 18 he was still playing at Iranjavan and pretty much scored no goals.
With that being said, Taremi had and still has great physical presence and still is a talent that is rough and could be polished into something very good given the resources. So in that case I agree, but that goes for all of our domestic players. They don't maximize their potential staying in an environment domestically that has no infrastructure in evolving players further, but Taremi is no Azmoun.
Again, people missed my point and think I am saying Taremi is better than Azmoun- HELL NO. Point was that we have a lot of talents like Azmoun in Iran that are not being recognized and get lost because either they don’t get discovered, or get discovered too late or they don’t even make it because of other reason like no party bazi, connection...we know how things work in Iran...
The majority here does not follow the league, but jump on the hype as soon as one talent makes it - but if you truly follow PGL + outh teams you will see the huge potential and the amount of talents - realizing that likes of Azmoun are not that outstanding or special as some believe, MANY have the potential to become as succesful as him.
Originally posted by Afat11 View PostSadly, we've had many players with a high-level of potential whose talents have never blossomed in IPL. I don't think that there's much question that if Taremi had left for European training at 17 or 18, he could be a major stud, similar to Azmoun. Problem is that we don't live in that timeline. Taremi sadly reminds me of guys like Borhani who could have been very good, but just stagnated in IPL.
I don't even want to think of how good Iran would have been the past decade if our players were given opportunities in Europe at 18 like Japanese and Koreans. A tactically sound coach like Queiroz leading a squad with the raw talent found in Iran, but trained with European quality and work-ethic, we'd be a top-15 ranked team and probably be frequent quarterfinalists in World Cup.
Sadly, we don't have those opportunities. Hopefully Sardar will open the door. I believe him and Jahanbakhsh already made the way for Ezatollahi, Karimi and Mohammadi. Hopefully our backbone will be very strong by 2018 WC. I don't see Taremi being a big piece in the team. I think that he will be surpassed, although I agree he could have been something special. It may be too late for him to go to Europe and succeed, but anything is possible. I hope he does, but history and time are not on his side.Formerly known as Persianking!
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Originally posted by 04041374 View PostThere are plenty of players who never played in the U-national teams and have been discovered by IPL teams in their twenties and now ultimately made it to TM or are scouted by European teams: Not only Taremi, but also Mohammadi brothers, Torabi, Shojaeian, Ebrahimi, Amiri.
For example in 2014, Milad and Mehrdad were playing in a 3rd tier team in the age of 20/21 until they had a trial with Rah Ahan. One of them is now a starter in Russia and the other one was one of IPL's best goalscorers.
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Originally posted by 04041374 View PostThere are plenty of players who never played in the U-national teams and have been discovered by IPL teams in their twenties and now ultimately made it to TM or are scouted by European teams: Not only Taremi, but also Mohammadi brothers, Torabi, Shojaeian, Ebrahimi, Amiri.
For example in 2014, Milad and Mehrdad were playing in a 3rd tier team in the age of 20/21 until they had a trial with Rah Ahan. One of them is now a starter in Russia and the other one was one of IPL's best goalscorers.
Esentially, IPL players in their mid-20's rarely outshine players who go to Europe at a young age. I can count many times where a mid-20's IPL player was instantly replaced by a player near 21-23 playing in Europe. We saw how easily Ezatollahi has established himself as a starter.
I have seen too many IPL players be called up and either quickly forgotten, or become backup players for depth. I do not consider Ebrahimi a full starter, and if Ali Karimi starts doing well in Europe, can easily see him take Ebrahimi's spot.
You are right that there are mid-20's players who are serviceable to TM, but how many of them are true stars? Irreplaceable? Guys like Ezatollahi and Jahanbakhsh seem hard to replace in our team, do you feel the same about Amiri or Ebrahimi? We may just disagree, but I feel that the guys found in IPL at 24-28 don't really have a long life as starters on TM. Mostly just role-players. I can't think of the last time that a guy like Amiri replaced a Jahanbakhsh and became a permanent starter. He is honestly just there because Taremi and Torabi are his main alternates, and all of them are inconsistent at the moment.
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