SARDAR AZMOUN * transfer rumors 2016 *

[persianfire]

You don't get the point. I'm not saying that there aren't Japanese or Korean players doing well in Europe, but that so many of them get the opportunity to play in top places that there are bound to be some that do good. Again if every Iranian player that showed promise got a chance to play in a mid table top 4 league side, I'm sure there would be a few putting up good stats in a few years.

Our players were given chances too in the last 10 years.

players who moved to the top 4 countries
Teymourian - failed in EPL
Nekounam - successful in La Liga
Kaebi - failed in the Championship
Shojaei - played more than 100 games in La Liga but he was not a guaranteed starter
Dejagah - successful in Bundesliga but he is a product of the German football structure
Gucci - failed in the Championship
Ansarifard - failed in the Segunda Division
Hajsafi - was a guaranteed starter in the German 2nd tier but his average ratings were average

Also Interesting that you conveniently left out azmoun in your question

As I said in my previous post, Azmoun is top league material.

Mahdabikia, Hashemian, Rezaei, Nekounam and Dejagah are the only Iranian players who succeeded in the big leagues by my definition.
Daei moved to Bayern but he never scored double-digit goals in a season in Bundesliga. Karimi started only 18 times at Bayern (2005/06 - 11 games, 2006/07 - 7 games)

[EKBATAN]

Do you really think guys like JB, Ansarifard, Gucci, Taremi can do well in the top 4 leagues and have the following stats?

2012/13 Son Heung-Min 12 goals and 3 assists for Leverkusen
2012/13 Shinji Kagawa 12 goals and 13 assists for Dortmund
2013/14 Hiroshi Kiyotake 4 goals and 11 assists for Nurnberg
2013/14 Shinji Okazaki 15 goals and 1 assist for Mainz
2014/15 Ki Sung-Yong 8 goals and 1 assist for Swansea

Bro our fans are delusional. I've seen ridiculous comments here left and right and they take offense to the truth. For a nation so big and with a long history, we have fallen off big time where as Japan, Korea and even other asian teams have progressed. A lot of it is due to IFF and our shit country.

[ali alipour]

Our players were given chances too in the last 10 years.

players who moved to the top 4 countries
Teymourian - failed in EPL
Nekounam - successful in La Liga
Kaebi - failed in the Championship
Shojaei - played more than 100 games in La Liga but he was not a guaranteed starter
Dejagah - successful in Bundesliga but he is a product of the German football structure
Gucci - failed in the Championship
Ansarifard - failed in the Segunda Division
Hajsafi - was a guaranteed starter in the German 2nd tier but his average ratings were average

As I said in my previous post, Azmoun is top league material.

When there are players in Europe there are bound to be some that don't do well, just like how there are some Japanese and Korean players that go for a year or two and then go back.

I hope you don't actually think that Iranian players get the same opportunities and everything is equal. Hajsafi has been a consistent player for tm since he was 18 and played well at the World Cup. He has to start his European career in a crappy bundesliga 2 side while some Japanese player recently went from their second division to the bundesliga. Azmoun has shown to one of the best if not the best Asian player under the age of 23 yet he's stuck in Russia while a bunch of young Japanese and Korean players go staight the top league from their own league. Even Qatari and Chinese players go these days. Talent is important, but a market is even more important.

And I'm not playing the victim role here. I know that this is primarily our fault from the revolution. I'm just saying that this exists and it's not all about them just being inherently more talented.

[TheBoss]

when I see all the praise for Korea and Japan, some of it deserved, I always end up with this question

What did they accomplish? Korea hasn't beaten us in years, same as Japan

IFF is awful but we are still winning

[Tehranto]

Our players were given chances too in the last 10 years.

players who moved to the top 4 countries

Teymourian - failed in EPL
Nekounam - successful in La Liga
Kaebi - failed in the Championship
Shojaei - played more than 100 games in La Liga but he was not a guaranteed starter
Dejagah - successful in Bundesliga but he is a product of the German football structure
Gucci - failed in the Championship
Ansarifard - failed in the Segunda Division
Hajsafi - was a guaranteed starter in the German 2nd tier but his average ratings were average

As I said in my previous post, Azmoun is top league material.

Mahdabikia, Hashemian, Rezaei and Nekounam are the only Iranian players who succeeded in the big leagues by my definition.
Daei moved to Bayern but he never scored double-digit goals in a season in Bundesliga. Karimi started only 18 times at Bayern (2005/06 - 11 games, 2006/07 - 7 games)

I don't agree with your assessments, but you forgot that Dejagah was a huge success at Fulham. He was their best player and voted as such. Can't believe he went to Al Arabi

[Tehranto]

If Sardar goes to Benfica, it's the icing on the cake ...

[Malavani]

If Sardar goes to Benfica, it's the icing on the cake ...

Benfica already denied any interest in Azmoun weeks ago. The news was totally made up

[O-ZoNe]

Bro our fans are delusional. I've seen ridiculous comments here left and right and they take offense to the truth. For a nation so big and with a long history, we have fallen off big time where as Japan, Korea and even other asian teams have progressed. A lot of it is due to IFF and our shit country.

While we are debating Azmoun's credibility in a top league, Arsenal is shopping in the J league. The biggest hinderence our domestic and foreign based players face is being groomed unprofessionally in the ipl.

http://www.thescore.com/news/1053141

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[Ghermez Agha]

when I see all the praise for Korea and Japan, some of it deserved, I always end up with this question

What did they accomplish? Korea hasn't beaten us in years, same as Japan

IFF is awful but we are still winning

While I do think we have a better team right now, the praise for these teams is deserved. We may have good head-to-head records against them but these teams are being praised for their performances on an international level. They usually do well in world cups and have organized teams that play modern styles of football with good infrastructure at the grass roots levels up. This is where they get their praise....again I agree, we have a better senior aide ATM but if we wanna be completely on the level of these teams we need to do more damage in the WC and even AC, we've now gone 3 tournaments without making it to the semi's and still are yet to advance from our group in the WC. However seeing how this transfer season is going we can have hopes for major changes in the future.

[Tehranto]

From his instagram, seems he is still in Iran.

[Kian Persepolis]

From his instagram, seems he is still in Iran.

Who? Azmoun?

[Gotham]

While we are debating Azmoun's credibility in a top league, Arsenal is shopping in the J league. The biggest hinderence our domestic and foreign based players face is being groomed unprofessionally in the ipl.

http://www.thescore.com/news/1053141

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I'd rather Azmoun play in Rostov than that hell hole Arsenal. He'll become an injury prone benchwarmer going there. Spurs would be a lot more interesting but fuck Arsenal

[Tehranto]

Who? Azmoun?

Yes he's in Iran it seems.

[GoIran]

Cant believe how the Japanese youngster is going to Arsenal while Sardar seems to be stuck in Russia.

And his transfer fee is reported to be 5 million pounds (= 6 million euros) while Azmoun's price tag is 4 million euros.

Btw look at other Japanese transfers.

Kiyotake moves to Europa League champions Sevilla.
Sakai moves to Olympique Marseille, one of the elite teams in France.
Usami moves to Augsburg in Bundesliga.

It really makes me angry when European clubs don't put us in the same category as Japan, Korea and Australia. In their eyes, we are on par with Iraq. That's why Taremi ended up joining Rizespor.

[Afat11]

And his transfer fee is reported to be 5 million pounds (= 6 million euros) while Azmoun's price tag is 4 million euros.
Btw look at other Japanese transfers.
Kiyotake moves to Europa League champions Sevilla.
Sakai moves to Olympique Marseille, one of the elite teams in France.
Usami moves to Augsburg in Bundesliga.
It really makes me angry when European clubs don't put us in the same category as Japan, Korea and Australia. In their eyes, we are on par with Iraq. That's why Taremi ended up joining Rizespor.

Don't forget about Jahanbakhsh though. He is in Netherlands, and seems to have a great reputation in European football. Not like European leagues see us as complete scrubs.

The issue is that we haven't had a player break through yet. Keep in mind our players are still in their early-20's, and there hasn't been an Iranian star in a top-4 league in several years. Sardar and Jahanbakhsh will get their chances soon (next 2 years), and if they succeed, you can bet that we will have a flood of players to EPL, La Liga, etc.

Remember how easily guys like Ando, Nekounam, and Masoud moved to Europe after the rise of Karimi? Our reputation in the international football community took a hit in the years between 2008 and 2012.

We are slowly building ourselves back to prominence.

I respect Dejagah and his play for Iran, but he truly hurt our entire football program by going to Qatar. After Brazil WC, there was so much hype around him, and if he would have remained in Europe, many eyes would have remained on Iran. He left and people forgot and moved on. Now, people can't say "Iran, yeah doesn't Ashkan Dejagah play there?"

When it becomes "Sardar Azmoun plays for Iran, he's so good!" Then you will see teams taking a risk on our players like they take on Koreans, Japanese, and Australians. We haven't really had any prominent international players on the level of Park Ji Sung, Kagawa, or Cahill recently. Dejagah could have been that talisman that commands respect for our players, but it will be Sardar or Jahanbakhsh taking that helm now.