Enough is enough. Mr Taj: postpone the league until next year

[theworldgame]

What a great league
Chaos after Tractor vs Persepolis match http://www.persianfootball.com/forum...rsepolis-match
Continue the shameful circus, even if it means we don't go to WC. Who cares? This is much more important than WC.

[perspolis#1]

League vs TM wouldnt be a problem if we had a real league. So many things from team regiments, training, tv rights and privatization are messed up.

I can guarantee there are people on this forum with better diets than most IPL players. I can guarantee not a single IPL team uses those fitness trackers TM does. I can guarantee if you gave an Iranian coach the choice between 32 yr old has been and 20 year old prospect they would choose the veteran.

These are problems. CQ has to up his squads fitness in order to compete. In fact I think the three games in WC2014 we posted the highest distance covered by any Iranian team in history each game.

But if regiments were enforced, players were taught fundamentals through academies, became tacticallt aware, teams had tv money for camps, football didnt rely on gol kuchik cuteness, we would be where Croatia is now at least.

[Esteghlali4life]

Literally the worst idea I've ever heard involving our football.

[O-ZoNe]

These are problems. CQ has to up his squads fitness in order to compete. In fact I think the three games in WC2014 we posted the highest distance covered by any Iranian team in history each game.

It's this kind of talk that annoys me. Cq aside for a second why do fans forget that this is all relative? Fitness is important...yes but to say we ran the most in 2014....great what did we achieve? In 2005 Iran was ranked 15th in the world by fifa...we all know what happened in 2006? In fact didn't we end up with the exact same record as 2014? Tied an African team, lost to a latin America team and a team from Europe?

Technologies change, opponents improve, you gain and lose...it's all relative. Just look at Asia...in the 70s we dominated, won 3 titles and none since but I bet you our right, our 2014 prob ran more than all our 1970s teams...but in the end the final product matters because it is all relative. Even Cruyff and Pele couldn't keep up with Messi or Ronaldo today if they had to compete with the standards of their era against what is available now! So really, if you can run faster than your historical self yet cannot gain on your opponents you haven't done anything but improved your personal best and that is a gaurantee for nothing in the world of competitive sports

Time we stop competing with ourself and realize that we are not the only place that is adapting with the times. Until our record improves I don't think we should be worshipping CQ the way the Koreans do with Hiddink.

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[perspolis#1]

It's this kind of talk that annoys me. Cq aside for a second why do fans forget that this is all relative? Fitness is important...yes but to say we ran the most in 2014....great what did we achieve? In 2005 Iran was ranked 15th in the world by fifa...we all know what happened in 2006? In fact didn't we end up with the exact same record as 2014? Tied an African team, lost to a latin America team and a team from Europe?

Technologies change, opponents improve, you gain and lose...it's all relative. Just look at Asia...in the 70s we dominated, won 3 titles and none since but I bet you our right, our 2014 prob ran more than all our 1970s teams...but in the end the final product matters because it is all relative. Even Cruyff and Pele couldn't keep up with Messi or Ronaldo today if they had to compete with the standards of their era against what is available now! So really, if you can run faster than your historical self yet cannot gain on your opponents you haven't done anything but improved your personal best and that is a gaurantee for nothing in the world of competitive sports

My point is not that we should compare Ali Parvin and Gucci. My point was that there are necessary tools Iran needs on the world stage and that IPL provides none of them.

CQ shouldnt be worshipped but he is by some because he gives BASIC things needed in world football absent in Iran until 2011.

His physique training was 50% of why Argentina and Nigeria didnt slaughter us. 50% was tactical positioning. If you gave a month to IPL level training Nigeria would have ran us to death. Argentina would have countered us to death.

You are right in saying other teams improve but no one man can change everything that needs to be changed for us. Japan has total infrastructure. USA has a blank check. Other teams have full academy links with European clubs. This is not a coaches job but the whole set up.

In Iran we have agents who make deals to MAKE MONEY not to advance our players. We have coaches that are resistant to any abandonment of Ali Asgari CB to Forward long balls. TV stations that wont give money so our teams get better facilities.

You make do with what you have and Iran as a football culture is about emergency defending, physical play and despite financial defiencies..luck.

Why do you think USA ties Portugal or beats Ghana? Chile does the same with Argentina. They KNOW they arent going to win playing these teams outright so they use ugly defensive tactics to get results. The only difference between them upsetting teams and us narrowly losing/tieing teams is the self confidence of knowing your federation has done everything to put you there.

I'm sure Nekounam/Ando/Dejagah realize this and have disdain for IFFs mismanagement.

[O-ZoNe]

My point is not that we should compare Ali Parvin and Gucci. My point was that there are necessary tools Iran needs on the world stage and that IPL provides none of them.

CQ shouldnt be worshipped but he is by some because he gives BASIC things needed in world football absent in Iran until 2011.

His physique training was 50% of why Argentina and Nigeria didnt slaughter us. 50% was tactical positioning. If you gave a month to IPL level training Nigeria would have ran us to death. Argentina would have countered us to death.

You are right in saying other teams improve but no one man can change everything that needs to be changed for us. Japan has total infrastructure. USA has a blank check. Other teams have full academy links with European clubs. This is not a coaches job but the whole set up.

In Iran we have agents who make deals to MAKE MONEY not to advance our players. We have coaches that are resistant to any abandonment of Ali Asgari CB to Forward long balls. TV stations that wont give money so our teams get better facilities.

You make do with what you have and Iran as a football culture is about emergency defending, physical play and despite financial defiencies..luck.

Why do you think USA ties Portugal or beats Ghana? Chile does the same with Argentina. They KNOW they arent going to win playing these teams outright so they use ugly defensive tactics to get results. The only difference between them upsetting teams and us narrowly losing/tieing teams is the self confidence of knowing your federation has done everything to put you there.

I'm sure Nekounam/Ando/Dejagah realize this and have disdain for IFFs mismanagement.

What you are saying no one denies. Do we wish we had it all sure...but let me remind you, by your logic Canada, Norway, Singapore should be world powerhouses. Having it all is not a gaurasntee. Oh and corruption in football...don't lool further than Greece and Italy where bookies and scandals rule the leagues. Heck in Columbia drug cartles owned teams and murdered players during their dominating years in the easrly 90s and moreover influenced who made the national team.

Do we have problems, yes...but every nation has it's challenges and football isn't immune to them. I will just say this much, if what you outlined was the sole reasons for our troubles, then how does our futsal and beach soccer do it with the same federation? Football is the most popular sport in the world, it needs more than money and big names thrown at it to be successful...just ask the Qataris

And on a another point if you look at the statistics Argentina in the world's eye slaughtered us...the score didn't reflect it...but that's my point, who cares about the finer details when the result hasn't changed since our first WC...doesn't matter if you lose 1-0 or 100-0 either way you failed to advance from the group. Yugoslavia and Germany in 98 Holland and Peru in 78, Portugal and Mexico in 2006 were all strong teams in their day and our team largely domestic from a then even weaker domestic league did just as well or even better than 2014. Our 2014 team not only had players from an improved league (no one can deny our league now is better than 98 or even 06) but also had a world class coach in CQ for the domestic team.

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[mehdiKia15]

The agruement of our league been compared to other pro leagues is irrelevant because you can't compare our league to professional leagues, we don't have a pro league.
-Iran league players don't get their full pay, other pro leagues and am talking about pro leagues not leagues in India or Pakistan.
-Aside from maybe a couple of stadiums the rest are horrible to play in.
-Teams are run by Sepa and other government bodies.
-Teams kits are majority all crap quality.
-Very little support for TM by oghdei an unprofessional league coaches because of a hidden agenda against TM coach
-aside from Sepahan there is no such thing as teams having legit academies or an thing that looks like a pro league
-ETC

No question we have talent players in Iran but as for our league been compared to other pro leagues is a joke.

[perspolis#1]

What you are saying no one denies. Do we wish we had it all sure...but let me remind you, by your logic Canada, Norway, Singapore should be world powerhouses. Having it all is not a gaurasntee. Oh and corruption in football...don't lool further than Greece and Italy where bookies and scandals rule the leagues. Heck in Columbia drug cartles owned teams and murdered players during their dominating years in the easrly 90s and moreover influenced who made the national team.

Do we have problems, yes...but every nation has it's challenges and football isn't immune to them. I will just say this much, if what you outlined was the sole reasons for our troubles, then how does our futsal and beach soccer do it with the same federation? Football is the most popular sport in the world, it needs more than money and big names thrown at it to be successful...just ask the Qataris

I'm not sure what you mean because our volleyball has its own federation untouched by Basiji corruption. Our futsal is strong because of the same reason Brazils is strong(thats how kids in our countries learn to play football).

I didnt say we should waste money like Qatar. We should model our system like Germany. We took a small step with Kia academy and hopefully more. Germany knows who its national team players are 5-10 years in the future. They are serious about raw talent early and refining it.

In Canada and those countries football is MUCH LESS adored. For a country that loves football our results dont reflect that due to poor planning.

We get lucky when we discover an Ali Daei at 23 for example. We should have discovered him at 17/18. I can handpick Germany's NT at the 2022 World Cup because their planning is so meticulous.

In terms of squad picking it is both CQ and Irans systems fault. Our team was way too old at 2014 WC. If we do qualify to 2018, I expect to see Beiranvand, PAG, Ezzatollahi, Azmoun, Torabi over Amiri etc. Thats how you set the young ones up for future success. Taking Hosseini, Dejagah, Ando, Montazeri doesnt do anything for us