Discussion: Quality of IPL So Far. 2015/2016 Season vs 2016/2017

[Sly]

If it wasn't for Persepolis and SS Tehran many of our legionnaires wouldn't see the lights of European football

Says who? How many of our European legioners went to Europe by playing in those 2 teams? Nekounam? Hashemian? Teymourian? Azmoun? Jahanbakhsh? Ezzatollahi? Ali Karimi (the young one)? Mild Mohammadi? Navidkia? Haji Safi? Rahman Rezaei? and the list goes on...

In fact....judging by the recent history, you will quit your European career if you play for those teams! If you don't believe me, ask Taremi and Rezaeian!

The reason most our players get European contracts is not because of those 2 clubs, but it's because of playing in the national teams in different levels and in different tournaments.

[Sly]

Bar Azmoun out. He explained how bad he was treated by Sepahan while he was in Isfahan.

That still doesn't make it wrong that he was produced there, cause that's a fact! He might not have been happy because he wanted playing time but he was produced there and he left to Europe from there.

[PersianLegion]

That still doesn't make it wrong that he was produced there, cause that's a fact! He might not have been happy because he wanted playing time but he was produced there and he left to Europe from there.

He was not produced in Sepahan. He is not a product of Isfahani clubs. You can not take credit from others. He is not Isfahani nor he lived there prior his two miserable years in Sepahan. It was his good performance on Iranian youth team in that Russian competition that brought him the opportunity to get the invitation from Rubin Kazan. If he had stayed in Sepahan, he was warming up the bench until now. Now that's a fact for Sepahanis.

[Sly]

He was not produced in Sepahan. He is not a product of Isfahani clubs. You can not take credit from others. He is not Isfahani nor he lived there prior his two miserable years in Sepahan. It was his good performance on Iranian youth team in that Russian competition that brought him the opportunity to get the invitation from Rubin Kazan. If he had stayed in Sepahan, he was warming up the bench until now. Now that's a fact for Sepahanis.

Dude Azmoun began his Sepahan career in their youth Academy and in total he was there (youth and senior level) 3 years. That was his first real youth level team where players actually get somewhere. If you want to count his time at Oghabe Gonbad when he was 9 years old, go ahead but his real youth academy at a time when he had to progress to reach senior level, was at Sepahan! Without that youth academy, he wouldn't even have played in that Russian tournament to begin with!

[PersianLegion]

Says who? How many of our European legioners went to Europe by playing in those 2 teams? Nekounam? Hashemian? Teymourian? Azmoun? Jahanbakhsh? Ezzatollahi? Ali Karimi (the young one)? Mild Mohammadi? Navidkia? Haji Safi? Rahman Rezaei? and the list goes on...

In fact....judging by the recent history, you will quit your European career if you play for those teams! If you don't believe me, ask Taremi and Rezaeian!

The reason most our players get European contracts is not because of those 2 clubs, but it's because of playing in the national teams in different levels and in different tournaments.

Mehdi Mahdavikia went directly from Persepolis to Vfl Bochum and then Hamburger SV
Karim Bagheri went directly from Persepolis to Armenia Bielefield
Mehrdad Minavand went directly from Persepolis to Strum Graz
Reza Shahroudi went directly from Persepolis to Altay Spor
Hamed Kavianpour went directly from Persepolis to Kayserispor
Hossein Kaebi went directly from Persepolis to Leicester City
Alireza Emamifar went from Persepolis (as soon as he finished his sarbazi at Fajr Sepasi) to Charleroi SC
Khodadad Aziz went from Persepolis (on loan from Bahman) to FC. Koln
Ali Daei from Persepolis > Al Sadd> Armenia Bielefield then Bayern Munich
Ali Karimi (had offers from Atletico Madrid) from Persepolis > Al Ahli> Bayern Munich

Ali Samereh went directly from SS to Perugia Calcio
Sirous Dinmohammadi went directly from SS to FSV Mainz
Farhad Majidi went directly from SS to Rapid Wien
Alireza Mansourian went directly from SS to Skoda Xanthi and later FC St.Pauli
Mehdi Pashazadeh went directly from SS to Bayer Leverkusen/Fortuna Koln/Rapid Wien
Daryoush Yazdani went directly from SS to Bayer Leverkusen

Ando was at SS during his youth (2000-2002)

There are bunch of other players who went to Arab league despite having the potentials to go to Europe.

[naderb94]

Dude Azmoun began his Sepahan career in their youth Academy and in total he was there (youth and senior level) 3 years. That was his first real youth level team where players actually get somewhere. If you want to count his time at Oghabe Gonbad when he was 9 years old, go ahead but his real youth academy at a time when he had to progress to reach senior level, was at Sepahan! Without that youth academy, he wouldn't even have played in that Russian tournament to begin with!

Exactly plus he got the opportunity to train with in my mind, one of the best IPL teams ever during the Ghalenoei Sepahan teams and learn alot from the likes of Ibrahima Toure, Enayati, Januario, Emad Reza, Ebrahimi, Hajsafi, Bengar, Hosseini, Aghiliy, Rahmati, Khosro Heydari, etc. He was exposed to so many professional and high caliber TM players which provided him veteran leadership.. I remember when Sepahan played Al-Hilal when we won 2-0, they showed Azmoun traveling with the team and getting advice from Ghalenoei at AGE 15!!!!! Tell me that is not a great way to develop a player. You learn from a top level IPL coach along with top level players and slowly they gave him playing time during a camp in Turkey and many scouts started to notice him... So all in all, he is a SEPAHAN product! So that is something this great club has produced, unlike longia or kise kesho.

[naderb94]

Mehdi Mahdavikia went directly from Persepolis to Vfl Bochum and then Hamburger SV
Karim Bagheri went directly from Persepolis to Armenia Bielefield
Mehrdad Minavand went directly from Persepolis to Strum Graz
Reza Shahroudi went directly from Persepolis to Altay Spor
Hamed Kavianpour went directly from Persepolis to Kayserispor
Hossein Kaebi went directly from Persepolis to Leicester City
Alireza Emamifar went from Persepolis (as soon as he finished his sarbazi at Fajr Sepasi) to Charleroi SC
Khodadad Aziz went from Persepolis (on loan from Bahman) to FC. Koln
Ali Daei from Persepolis > Al Sadd> Armenia Bielefield then Bayern Munich
Ali Karimi (had offers from Atletico Madrid) from Persepolis > Al Ahli> Bayern Munich

Ali Samereh went directly from SS to Perugia Calcio
Sirous Dinmohammadi went directly from SS to FSV Mainz
Farhad Majidi went directly from SS to Rapid Wien
Alireza Mansourian went directly from SS to Skoda Xanthi and later FC St.Pauli
Mehdi Pashazadeh went directly from SS to Bayer Leverkusen/Fortuna Koln/Rapid Wien
Daryoush Yazdani went directly from SS to Bayer Leverkusen

Ando was at SS during his youth (2000-2002)

There are bunch of other players who went to Arab league despite having the potentials to go to Europe.

Not one of those players you mentioned an ACTUAL youth product for PP/SS besides Ando.

I can say the same about Ibrahima Toure going to Monaco after Sepahan. or Navidkia going to Germany... or Rahmati getting offers for Rosenburg... so on and so forth..
Im talking about ACTUAL youth products and you have failed to mention any PP or SS youth academy products

[PersianLegion]

Dude Azmoun began his Sepahan career in their youth Academy and in total he was there (youth and senior level) 3 years. That was his first real youth level team where players actually get somewhere. If you want to count his time at Oghabe Gonbad when he was 9 years old, go ahead but his real youth academy at a time when he had to progress to reach senior level, was at Sepahan! Without that youth academy, he wouldn't even have played in that Russian tournament to begin with!

Says who? you or Ghalenoi? He would regret his times in Sepahan. It was his smart father who took him out of Sepahan.

Take a look at his profile to know he was in various teams in Gorgan up until he was 15.
Oghab Gonbad 2004-2008
Shamoushak Gorgan 2008-2009
Etka Gorgan 2009-2010

Here listen what Azmoun tell about his time in Esfahan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtAyTqHaWw0

[PersianLegion]

Exactly plus he got the opportunity to train with in my mind, one of the best IPL teams ever during the Ghalenoei Sepahan teams and learn alot from the likes of Ibrahima Toure, Enayati, Januario, Emad Reza, Ebrahimi, Hajsafi, Bengar, Hosseini, Aghiliy, Rahmati, Khosro Heydari, etc. He was exposed to so many professional and high caliber TM players which provided him veteran leadership.. I remember when Sepahan played Al-Hilal when we won 2-0, they showed Azmoun traveling with the team and getting advice from Ghalenoei at AGE 15!!!!! Tell me that is not a great way to develop a player. You learn from a top level IPL coach along with top level players and slowly they gave him playing time during a camp in Turkey and many scouts started to notice him... So all in all, he is a SEPAHAN product! So that is something this great club has produced, unlike longia or kise kesho.

Seriously, you buy that BS? He was noticed by Russian team Rubin Kazan because of that Russian tournament not because of Sepahan letting him play for few minutes in a friendly match. You guys are day dreaming.

[PersianLegion]

Not one of those players you mentioned an ACTUAL youth product for PP/SS besides Ando.
I can say the same about Ibrahima Toure going to Monaco after Sepahan. or Navidkia going to Germany... or Rahmati getting offers for Rosenburg... so on and so forth..
Im talking about ACTUAL youth products and you have failed to mention any PP or SS youth academy products

You saw my point there and I was answering Sly not you. My point is clear. People came to SS or Persepolis, played their game in spot light and got offers from European clubs. End of the story. No other club in Iran can match up to Persepolis and SS in transferring Iranian football talents to European or foreign leagues. Persepolis and SS win this argument hands down.

[Sly]

Mehdi Mahdavikia went directly from Persepolis to Vfl Bochum and then Hamburger SV
Karim Bagheri went directly from Persepolis to Armenia Bielefield
Mehrdad Minavand went directly from Persepolis to Strum Graz
Reza Shahroudi went directly from Persepolis to Altay Spor
Hamed Kavianpour went directly from Persepolis to Kayserispor
Hossein Kaebi went directly from Persepolis to Leicester City
Alireza Emamifar went from Persepolis (as soon as he finished his sarbazi at Fajr Sepasi) to Charleroi SC
Khodadad Aziz went from Persepolis (on loan from Bahman) to FC. Koln
Ali Daei from Persepolis > Al Sadd> Armenia Bielefield then Bayern Munich
Ali Karimi (had offers from Atletico Madrid) from Persepolis > Al Ahli> Bayern Munich

Ali Samereh went directly from SS to Perugia Calcio
Sirous Dinmohammadi went directly from SS to FSV Mainz
Farhad Majidi went directly from SS to Rapid Wien
Alireza Mansourian went directly from SS to Skoda Xanthi and later FC St.Pauli
Mehdi Pashazadeh went directly from SS to Bayer Leverkusen/Fortuna Koln/Rapid Wien
Daryoush Yazdani went directly from SS to Bayer Leverkusen

Ando was at SS during his youth (2000-2002)

There are bunch of other players who went to Arab league despite having the potentials to go to Europe.

LOL@ Hossein Kaebi, Emamifar and Andranik played in eses youth, etc. ! Ok let's rephrase the question.... how many players went to Europe from eses and pespes where their European careers had actually important impact on them as a player and on TM?! The only ones you can mention are, Daei, Azizi, Bagheri and Ali Karimi. Maybe you can add Minavand and Pashazadeh (although he was injured half of the time). Andranik's youth academy doesn't even count since you're talking about impact of eses/pespes in the players' being selected by European clubs.

In my list you can only delete the names of Navidkia and Haji Safi!

[Sly]

Says who? you or Ghalenoi? He would regret his times in Sepahan. It was his smart father who took him out of Sepahan.
Take a look at his profile to know he was in various teams in Gorgan up until he was 15.
Oghab Gonbad 2004-2008
Shamoushak Gorgan 2008-2009
Etka Gorgan 2009-2010
Here listen what Azmoun tell about his time in Esfahan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtAyTqHaWw0

Exactly.... Oghab, Shamoshak and Etka! Really known for their youth academies! LOL Whatever you say you can not take the impact of Sepahan's youth academy from Azmoun! Because that's a fact! He didn't reach the youth national team to play in it with those teams you mentioned. He reached it with Sepahan! and you're mixing things up here. Only because he wasn't happy at Sepahan (because of money issues which exists in many teams in IPL, including in eses and pespes), it doesn't mean he didn't get where he is because of Sepahan! From there he reached Iran's youth national team, from the exposure of which, he went to Russia! His smart father took him out of Sepahan??? The guy got a European contract man!!! His father would be dumb if he rejected it!

[PersianLegion]

Exactly.... Oghab, Shamoshak and Etka! Really known for their youth academies! LOL Whatever you say you can not take the impact of Sepahan's youth academy from Azmoun! Because that's a fact! He didn't reach the youth national team to play in it with those teams you mentioned. He reached it with Sepahan! and you're mixing things up here. Only because he wasn't happy at Sepahan (because of money issues which exists in many teams in IPL, including in eses and pespes), it doesn't mean he didn't get where he is because of Sepahan! From there he reached Iran's youth national team, from the exposure of which, he went to Russia! His smart father took him out of Sepahan??? The guy got a European contract man!!! His father would be dumb if he rejected it!

Watch the video link I have provided and see what he is saying about his contract. He exactly said he was chosen by Rubin Kazan because of that tournament in Russia not playing in Sepahan or in an insignificant friendly. You either have hard time understanding or you are purposely avoiding the fact. Sepahan had no significant effect on Sardar, period. Stop acting like Ghalenoi or Mansourian for knowing every single talent of IPL as your pupil.

[PersianLegion]

LOL@ Hossein Kaebi, Emamifar and Andranik played in eses youth, etc. ! Ok let's rephrase the question.... how many players went to Europe from eses and pespes where their European careers had actually important impact on them as a player and on TM?! The only ones you can mention are, Daei, Azizi, Bagheri and Ali Karimi. Maybe you can add Minavand and Pashazadeh (although he was injured half of the time). Andranik's youth academy doesn't even count since you're talking about impact of eses/pespes in the players' being selected by European clubs.

In my list you can only delete the names of Navidkia and Haji Safi!

Instead of changing the argument, try to respect what Persepolis and SS have done for Iranian players. I have nothing else to discuss here... as I can guess were this debate is heading.

[Sly]

Watch the video link I have provided and see what he is saying about his contract. He exactly said he was chosen by Rubin Kazan because of that tournament in Russia not playing in Sepahan or in an insignificant friendly. You either have hard time understanding or you are purposely avoid the fact. Sepahan had no significant effect on Sardar. period. Stop acting like Ghalenoi or Mansourian for knowing every single talent of IPL as your pupil.

Did you even read my text? Who's talking about an insignificant friendly?! I know the truth hurts for the jealous guy! Instead as a fan, make sure to push your favorite eses or pespes (which ever it is), to get a more decent youth academy.