Another slap in the face for dumb as.. coaches and players of our League

[Doctor DOOM]

Uzbekistan has not advanced to WC even once, they might want to shut down their league for 3 months to achieve their goal. I don't think it is a good comparison for our situation.
We should compare our situation with Korea, Japan or Australia in Asia and top African teams. Do they shut their league down for a month to have training for NT in several occasions? I saw the effect of league matches on our players. Look at Hajsafi, Taremi, Beiranvand, Heydari, etc... Their form and confidence pick up when they play constant football.

Absolutely.
In football, as in life too, we must compare ourselves or at least model ourselves after HIGHER QUALITY , not lower.
So what if Uzbeks or whoever else does this? What a player goes through when competing in official matches is very different from the daily routine if warm ups they'd have in camps.

Now if we had lined up 2-3 gokd test games during this period (and I'm not talking about Armenian league youth reserves. Proper decent teams), then it would make sense. But prolonged camps never really help. One week or 10 days is pretty much sufficient. After all this is nearly the same team that just took part in two WCQs acouple of weeks ago. They can't be that alien to each other

[Ando Teymourian]

CQ is not what you think. Tell me one great achievement he had as a head coach in last 15 yrs? I meant the achievements the likes of Costa Rica, Algeria, Greece, etc coaches had in the last WC. He just has the history of working with big names/clubs and that is why you never accepted that his resume shows he is overall a failure as a head coach. On the other hand, the legendary coach Tomislav Ivic coached many good teams such as Porto, Ajax, Atletico Madrid, Olympico Marseillie, Paris Saint-Germain, Galatasaray, etc. He won the league title in 6 different countries. This is the true example of a great head coach. He was the best tactician we had. TBH, CQ did a decent job in terms of overall disciplining of the team, and handling the pressure from his critics but I do not accept him as a tactician at all. He is a meticulous organizer but not a tactician at all. Anyway what pisses me off is that the following player were not deserved to be in the squad but they are:

Alireza Haghighi
Ramin Rezaeian
Ehsan Hajsafi
Mehdi Taremi
Masoud Shojaei (Why is he still in the squad? How many good games he had for the national team in last a few years?)
Anderanik Teymourian (He is out of form)
Dariush Shojaeian (His team is in the bottom table of the league)
Karim Ansarifard (Greece league and playing good games against bottom table teams of the Greece league is nothing especial)

The following players were deserved to be invited:

Hamed Lak
Mohammad Iranpourian
Mohsen Mosalman
Iman Mobali
Amir Arsalan Motahari
Mohammad Ghazi
Omid Alishah

The players you mention that deserve to be called up have just been hot for the last couple of weeks (barring Mobali).

If we are to just call up players who have a good few weeks, then our TM camps will be full of different players all the time. That is no way to build a synergy.

This week its Mosalman, next week Shojaeian will be hot, the week after Bakhtiar will be hot, so what? We need a core group of players that we think can succeed in TM and we want to build a team around those players.

Picking and choosing the hot streak players is a terrible idea. If these guys keep it up for another 6 weeks then they deserve a look.

[Ando Teymourian]

Absolutely.
In football, as in life too, we must compare ourselves or at least model ourselves after HIGHER QUALITY , not lower.
So what if Uzbeks or whoever else does this? What a player goes through when competing in official matches is very different from the daily routine if warm ups they'd have in camps.

Now if we had lined up 2-3 gokd test games during this period (and I'm not talking about Armenian league youth reserves. Proper decent teams), then it would make sense. But prolonged camps never really help. One week or 10 days is pretty much sufficient. After all this is nearly the same team that just took part in two WCQs acouple of weeks ago. They can't be that alien to each other

What evidence do you have for the bold part? Have you done some research, have you investigated, do you have some kind of tangible evidence that we can all look at? Where did you get the one week / 10 day figure? What makes you think that is ideal for our national team?


And you are right, we should model ourselves after higher quality, which in Asia would be Japan/Korea.

Let's start with the league. Let's not start backwards and model our national team after theirs. Start properly. Start with the league, start with youth teams, start with investment, start with infrastructure.

Why are we looking at the national team to set the example? It should be the other way around. National team should be feeding off everything under it, that is how it blossoms. You can't be terrible at everything else and then just pull an amazing national team out of thin air.

You can bet that CQ's comparing to higher quality too. In fact, he is comparing to the highest of quality (Premier League, La Liga). And see we are so astronomically far from that standard, I don't hold anything against him for wanting his national team players earlier and having them under his watch for a longer period of time.

[PersianLegion]

The players you mention that deserve to be called up have just been hot for the last couple of weeks (barring Mobali).
If we are to just call up players who have a good few weeks, then our TM camps will be full of different players all the time. That is no way to build a synergy.
This week its Mosalman, next week Shojaeian will be hot, the week after Bakhtiar will be hot, so what? We need a core group of players that we think can succeed in TM and we want to build a team around those players.
Picking and choosing the hot streak players is a terrible idea. If these guys keep it up for another 6 weeks then they deserve a look.

Have you been watching our league for past 10 months or no? If not, you should not randomly spit out names.

[Kiarash]

Can you been watching our league for past 10 months or no? If not, you should not randomly spit out names.

That's exactly the point he is making, lol.

[Doctor DOOM]

What evidence do you have for the bold part? Have you done some research, have you investigated, do you have some kind of tangible evidence that we can all look at? Where did you get the one week / 10 day figure? What makes you think that is ideal for our national team?
And you are right, we should model ourselves after higher quality, which in Asia would be Japan/Korea.
Let's start with the league. Let's not start backwards and model our national team after theirs. Start properly. Start with the league, start with youth teams, start with investment, start with infrastructure.
Why are we looking at the national team to set the example? It should be the other way around. National team should be feeding off everything under it, that is how it blossoms. You can't be terrible at everything else and then just pull an amazing national team out of thin air.
You can bet that CQ's comparing to higher quality too. In fact, he is comparing to the highest of quality (Premier League, La Liga). And see we are so astronomically far from that standard, I don't hold anything against him for wanting his national team players earlier and having them under his watch for a longer period of time.

The quality of Iranian football is as it is. The same quality that saw it qualify for the WC. That wasn't from a different league.
The fact is while there needs a lot to be done to improve our league, and we all would like to see it on par with the best in the world, it is still producing pretty good stock ... At least within Asian standards.

More than 10 days without any serious competitive match (or a decent test game) really doesnt help any more than the players playing their official league football. The whole world is aware of the need to keep and maintain player's match-rediness and everyone uses club football as the best method to achieve that.


CQ also knows it and you can bet your car had he been a club coach in Iran he'd be tearing his shirt,creaming all sorts o populist stuff on the advantages and benefits of conducting a regular league.

Especially when the bulk or pillars of his team are NOT going to be available till a couple of days before the game. To go over tactics and moves and coordinate players that have played alongside each other for a good amount of time, really doesnt require long.


Besides, whatever quality the league is lacking can NOT be taught or instilled in a 3 week period. Certainly no different from a 10 day period.
That requires systematic approach for months ad months or even years of continuity.
What he can do in 20 days, he can certainly do in 10 with half of his team.


Now had it been only a few days or a week, I'd have agreed that we need more. But not three weeks and more importantly at the cost of stopping the league

[Ando Teymourian]

Have you been watching our league for past 10 months or no? If not, you should not randomly spit out names.

Chi migi man, that is exactly what I am saying. Let's not randomly spit out names. We have a core group of players in TM, lets build around that.

I am not saying don't make changes, I am saying to do it smart and gradual. This guy was wanting to strip 8 players out of TM all AT ONCE. What sort of implications do you think that would have? Let's just be logical is all I am trying to say.

[naderb94]

Chi migi man, that is exactly what I am saying. Let's not randomly spit out names. We have a core group of players in TM, lets build around that.

I am not saying don't make changes, I am saying to do it smart and gradual. This guy was wanting to strip 8 players out of TM all AT ONCE. What sort of implications do you think that would have? Let's just be logical is all I am trying to say.

Let's just all stay calm and let CQ make the decisions. CQ knows our players better than anyone else and knows what's best for TM. I know for a fact 8 players will never be stripped so dont worry about that.. I used to always worry about decisions on who should be in TM back during the Daei coaching days but once King Carlos came, then all that went out the window

[PersianLegion]

That's exactly the point he is making, lol.

Mosalman has been great constantly. He definitely deserve a call up over the likes of Shojai.

[Nader25]

who cares about these crapy domestic clubs which have not achieved anything significant during the past 40 years outside the country,s border.....

[Z Joon]

Mosalman has been great constantly. He definitely deserve a call up over the likes of Shojai.

Mosalman is not CQ's "type of player". I rate his playmaking ability, but he likes to move/roam a lot on the pitch to be effective and the team has to revolve around him, he can also leave some gaps sometimes which need to be covered by other players, now inside the structured CQ formation he won't have such freedom which is most likely why he isn't even being invited in the first place. Besides that, he doesn't really have the type of physical requirements most players in TM have.

Sadeghian is a player like that, we saw he wasn't bad at all vs Kuwait when he was in form, but he was immediately dropped. Flair players usually don't make it to TM or are limited in what they should be doing in their position in TM. Even players like Bakhtiar, every time he played in TM he felt really constrained, and his role seemed limited. It's all CQ's preference of playing more as a structured unit.

[PersianLegion]

Mosalman is not CQ's "type of player". I rate his playmaking ability, but he likes to move/roam a lot on the pitch to be effective and the team has to revolve around him, he can also leave some gaps sometimes which need to be covered by other players, now inside the structured CQ formation he won't have such freedom which is most likely why he isn't even being invited in the first place. Besides that, he doesn't really have the type of physical requirements most players in TM have.

Sadeghian is a player like that, we saw he wasn't bad at all vs Kuwait when he was in form, but he was immediately dropped. Flair players usually don't make it to TM or are limited in what they should be doing in their position in TM. Even players like Bakhtiar, every time he played in TM he felt really constrained, and his role seemed limited. It's all CQ's preference of playing more as a structured unit.

We lake a quality play maker big time. I don't care about physicality as long as he feeds our strikers and create opportunities specially during Asian campaigns or playing against south American teams. When it comes to play vs African and some European teams then we need someone like AK8. Since we don't have someone with skills and physics of AK8 we should at least use whatever we have on the table. Shojae has past his prime long time ago. I don't want to see him in TM. He is an eyesore for me.

CQ being stubborn in using only physically strong players with less technique is getting in our way of progress. Our team is really toothless and no body can properly feed Azmoun or our attacking squad. We need creative or fast but accurate AMFs. We don't need to go over WC 2014 ago to see we lack proper creative game specially vs Nigeria and Bosnia. I thought CQ would learn his lesson but I think he is too blind with his defensive formations.

[PersianLegion]

With CQ we learned the importance of team organization and good defense. Ok, I get that. But what else? His bus has only one stop and that's it. We have been stagnating since our last match vs Argentina. His only significant win was against Chile while they didn't take us seriously at first half and when they realized their mistake they were already one goal behind with no Messi to bring them back on track. Since Neko left the team, we are without a proper leader in the match (2015) and lack a good play maker after Khalatbari left in 2013. Our LB is also somewhat open since Pooladi shenanigan of 2015. Can you see any improvement in those 3 positions?

[naderb94]

With CQ we learned the importance of team organization and good defense. Ok, I get that. But what else? His bus has only one stop and that's it. We have been stagnating since our last match vs Argentina. His only significant win was against Chile while they didn't take us seriously at first half and when they realized their mistake they were already one goal behind with no Messi to bring them back on track. Since Neko left the team, we are without a proper leader in the match (2015) and lack a good play maker after Khalatbari left in 2013. Our LB is also somewhat open since Pooladi shenanigan of 2015. Can you see any improvement in those 3 positions?

We have multiple leaders right now (Ando, Jalal Hosseini).... Ando slides over to Neko position and Ezzatollahi slides in as his partner... The LB position is wide open right now, but I feel like that should be Mohammadi's spot as we should bring Hajsafi forward to LM position.
Khalatbari was a great playmaker and miss having him, but we already have several of those playmakers right now with Dejagah, JB, Amiri, Torabi..

[theworldgame]

Timing of other Asian Leagues - http://footballitarin.com/video_page.php?id=25549 - بررسی تعطیلات لیگ*های آسیایی
Giving examples of other other countries that have a similar situation to Iran and some other the will finish their league early and on time for the next round of games (as per their logical plan).