Iran vs Syria Post Match Discussion

[pdot]

We basically have fans here who are a discussion forum who want other fans to shut up and not complain.

We are all aware that our complaints will fall on deaf ears - but don't try to insult people into saying things are great and fair and level for everyone. They're not.

lol because complaining without a purpose is called nagging which gets annoying. That's why.

Furthermore if you really want to make a difference you need to stop watching anything that involves FIFA. That's how you make a difference. Not nagging on a persianfootball forum.

[Nokhodi]

lol because complaining without a purpose is called nagging which gets annoying. That's why.

Furthermore if you really want to make a difference you need to stop watching anything that involves FIFA. That's how you make a difference. Not nagging on a persianfootball forum.

You're one of the most negative, nagging type characters on this forum. Anything positive you like to come and complain about.

Again no one here is pretending to be a world changer. Maybe you are - we're not. We are Iranian football fans. That's what matters to us. If you don't care and would like to be on the AFC Justice Squad, go ahead.

[Z Joon]

Discussion about the offside decision

[Doctor DOOM]

http://www.varzesh3.com/news/1373120...¯(-مدارک)

[Z Joon]

[CHaMiLLionaire]

We scored a legit goal that wrongfully was called offside + Jahanbakhsh missed a sitter & had another great chance the GK saved. Their #15 could have been sent off.....You call all that "lucky" - really?

AFC is led by arabs and mainly supports the interests of the arab world. Do you seriously want to deny that the arab world are not against Iran and Iranians? After all these scandals against Iran - national teams, club teams, youth teams....or other sports, olympic athletes...let's not even talk about political/history issues...

Your comments remind me of Beckenbauer denying corruption, claiming things like there are no slaves in Qatar because he didn’t see one

Listen to what CQ says:
https://youtu.be/idip48bEZqU?t=16m22s

Of course there have been games we might have benefited and of course there have been games were arabs did not benefit...but if you look at the whole picture you will easily see the obvious corruption and anti-Iranian attitude of the AFC throughout all the years. This is has nothing to do with us being racist, emotional or because we want to blame things on others.

This was not the first time and FOR SURE won't be the last time. Can't wait what you say next time to defend them

I am all for having a discussion, after all I do not expect anyone to share the same opinion I have.

I never defended "corruption" or "bias" of the AFC. What I am stating, is that the AFC is inherently bias to everyone in the continent including arabs, and that has multiple reasons one of which is being incompetent.

I am not bringing politics into this, because there is no argument there, there are differences in political opinions between certain Arab countries and Iran.

Syria, Lebanon, Oman, Egypt, Iraq are considered arab countries too, no? There isn't any hatred. In fact look at how Syria played against us yesterday, considering that we spend billions of dollars keeping them alive, I expected them to roll over for us, but no, this is Sports, not politics.



"We scored a Legit goal that was offside" -- it was way too close, the picture that keeps circulating here is not accurate, that is not the view of the linesman.

"JB missed a sitter" -- absolutely right, we also kept possession and missed many more chances. My point was that in such conditions, we could've lost as there is no tactical discipline to hoofing balls over defenders. Remember the lebanon game? We dominated possessions and missed 10 chances, yet we lost.


If the AFC is supporting the interests of the arab world, then explain to me why their decisions affect everyone including Iran? Sports journalists in Qatar and KSA hate the AFC more than Iranians do.

My ultimate argument is, the AFC is corrupt, disorganized, incompetent, "insert adjective here", but its actions affect everyone, not just Iran.

The difference between Iran and Japan, Korea, Australia in this matter? The latter teams do not let it get to them, they finish the job on the pitch.

That said, we are in great shape for the second round.

[Doctor DOOM]

^

you got to have the touchline to orient your lines.
those pics didnt show the touchline.
here, there's a line parallel to the touchline to tell the story

those other pics with black lines have WRONGLY oriented their lines according to that small scrap, which is actually the COACHES's box/area. NOT the actual touchline

[Ghermez Agha]

I am all for having a discussion, after all I do not expect anyone to share the same opinion I have.

I never defended "corruption" or "bias" of the AFC. What I am stating, is that the AFC is inherently bias to everyone in the continent including arabs, and that has multiple reasons one of which is being incompetent.

I am not bringing politics into this, because there is no argument there, there are differences in political opinions between certain Arab countries and Iran.

Syria, Lebanon, Oman, Egypt, Iraq are considered arab countries too, no? There isn't any hatred. In fact look at how Syria played against us yesterday, considering that we spend billions of dollars keeping them alive, I expected them to roll over for us, but no, this is Sports, not politics.



"We scored a Legit goal that was offside" -- it was way too close, the picture that keeps circulating here is not accurate, that is not the view of the linesman.

"JB missed a sitter" -- absolutely right, we also kept possession and missed many more chances. My point was that in such conditions, we could've lost as there is no tactical discipline to hoofing balls over defenders. Remember the lebanon game? We dominated possessions and missed 10 chances, yet we lost.


If the AFC is supporting the interests of the arab world, then explain to me why their decisions affect everyone including Iran? Sports journalists in Qatar and KSA hate the AFC more than Iranians do.

My ultimate argument is, the AFC is corrupt, disorganized, incompetent, "insert adjective here", but its actions affect everyone, not just Iran.

The difference between Iran and Japan, Korea, Australia in this matter? The latter teams do not let it get to them, they finish the job on the pitch.

That said, we are in great shape for the second round.

Just because they occasionally will penalize an Arab country from time to time does not outweigh the amount of times they have screwed us over. AFC does not give equal treatment to Iranians vs Arabs and its been proven over the years.

just within the last couple of years lets re-cap their actions (or lack there of):

- give no punishment to Ben Williams after his atroscious performance vs Iraq (should not have been allowed to officiate games following that match).
- not adminestering any punishment to ala abdul zahra who was CAUGHT doping
- KSA team (think it was al hilal) made Persepolis train in THE DAMN HOTEL! it is against the rules to refuse the guest opponent access to practice facilities and a blatant dirty move that you won't see in any other place in the world....no punishment was given.
- KSA's refusal to come to Iran and using all kinds of BS excuses which was bought by the AFC.
- our teams being held in KSA for hours without any reason.....again no punishment given by AFC
- allowing that match to be played vs Syria.
- allowing that venue to even be an acceptable option was a crime
- Qatari official being allowed to run for AFC president despite being found guilty of bribing. And yes it benefits all Arabs to have a corrupt Qatari in that post

VS

a few suspensions that were rightfully handed out and a couple of calls that were wrong against their teams?

I think one strongly outweighs the other here and its quite evident to say the least.

[Nariman]

Seems like the Syrian coach said that it was a fair result however they had the better chances to win the game

We will decimate them in Tehran

Bro. he is right, we were lucky not to lose

We basically have fans here who are a discussion forum who want other fans to shut up and not complain.
We are all aware that our complaints will fall on deaf ears - but don't try to insult people into saying things are great and fair and level for everyone. They're not.

It’s one thing to discuss - but we reached a new low here:

- Arabs have the dirtiest and most disgusting teams; no one else wastes times and creates fights like they do. How the hell can you deny that? Yet you see some labeling others as emotional or racist for pointing out the obvious - or insult us as "pussy" because we don't tolerate brutal injustice againt Iran.... while at the same time our own Portuguese head coach is constantly killing himself to stand up against AFC and expose their corruption.

- It gets even worse when some try to deny AFC's anti-Iranian policy, call it conspiracy theories or claim we actually were lucky! After all these painful games and scandals in the past, not only in football.

- and when you think it can’t get worse they tell you to not complain and just accept everything

I am all for having a discussion, after all I do not expect anyone to share the same opinion I have.
I never defended "corruption" or "bias" of the AFC. What I am stating, is that the AFC is inherently bias to everyone in the continent including arabs, and that has multiple reasons one of which is being incompetent.
I am not bringing politics into this, because there is no argument there, there are differences in political opinions between certain Arab countries and Iran.
Syria, Lebanon, Oman, Egypt, Iraq are considered arab countries too, no? There isn't any hatred. In fact look at how Syria played against us yesterday, considering that we spend billions of dollars keeping them alive, I expected them to roll over for us, but no, this is Sports, not politics.
"We scored a Legit goal that was offside" -- it was way too close, the picture that keeps circulating here is not accurate, that is not the view of the linesman.
"JB missed a sitter" -- absolutely right, we also kept possession and missed many more chances. My point was that in such conditions, we could've lost as there is no tactical discipline to hoofing balls over defenders. Remember the lebanon game? We dominated possessions and missed 10 chances, yet we lost.
If the AFC is supporting the interests of the arab world, then explain to me why their decisions affect everyone including Iran? Sports journalists in Qatar and KSA hate the AFC more than Iranians do.
My ultimate argument is, the AFC is corrupt, disorganized, incompetent, "insert adjective here", but its actions affect everyone, not just Iran.
The difference between Iran and Japan, Korea, Australia in this matter? The latter teams do not let it get to them, they finish the job on the pitch.
That said, we are in great shape for the second round.

Of course everything can happen during the game, but they way you said "we were lucky" made it look like Syria hit the bar 5 times and we had no chances - while actually if anything it was Syria who was lucky for not losing the game, hence their celebration after the game. The legit goal of Gucci was confirmed by Kamranifar.

AFC's incompetence indeed might affect everyone, but to a very greater extent it goes against Iran for obvious reasons - that's the point and the past proves this enough. It’s kind of shocking you don’t see the difference between Iran and Japan/Korea/Australia. They actually have proper federations and would do a much better job at complaining if they were in our situation + the rivalry between Iranians and arabs is much more intense. You seriously can’t compare that with the rest!

[KarimiMan48]

Arabs didn't control the weather people. Jesus. Everyone here talking crap on "Arabs" and their conspiracy theories sound like KKK leaders saying all blacks are bad. GIVE IT A REST. Nobody really could predict how that field would turn out. The game was delayed by 45 minutes. Just because we don't get our way doesn't mean everyone is a damn Arab who wants to destroy us. This isn't anything new. Rain happens. Delayed a WQC game sets back a lot of other games. We got a point. We did it. I am sick and tired of this hatred towards ARABS. they are people. Your hatred should be toward the entire governments of the middle east that have all the oil in the world and choose to keep their families rich and haven't taken a course in political government and have no idea how to run a government. That is a separate issue. It's not the Arab's fault it rained. SO CHILL THE HELL OUT. WE ARE ALL PEOPLE.

[mahestan]

Arabs didn't control the weather people. Jesus. Everyone here talking crap on "Arabs" and their conspiracy theories sound like KKK leaders saying all blacks are bad. GIVE IT A REST. Nobody really could predict how that field would turn out. The game was delayed by 45 minutes. Just because we don't get our way doesn't mean everyone is a damn Arab who wants to destroy us. This isn't anything new. Rain happens. Delayed a WQC game sets back a lot of other games. We got a point. We did it. I am sick and tired of this hatred towards ARABS. they are people. Your hatred should be toward the entire governments of the middle east that have all the oil in the world and choose to keep their families rich and haven't taken a course in political government and have no idea how to run a government. That is a separate issue. It's not the Arab's fault it rained. SO CHILL THE HELL OUT. WE ARE ALL PEOPLE.

Haji jan, delaying the game for 45 minutes while it is pouring cats and dogs will not help but hinder the situation. If they delayed the game, while had the field covered with tarps (with proper irrigation) then we can say that delaying it would have helped since the rain stopped and the field stayed dry. What the ref did was to allow the water really soak in and turn it into trench warfare.

[Nariman]

Arabs didn't control the weather people. Jesus. Everyone here talking crap on "Arabs" and their conspiracy theories sound like KKK leaders saying all blacks are bad. GIVE IT A REST. Nobody really could predict how that field would turn out. The game was delayed by 45 minutes. Just because we don't get our way doesn't mean everyone is a damn Arab who wants to destroy us. This isn't anything new. Rain happens. Delayed a WQC game sets back a lot of other games. We got a point. We did it. I am sick and tired of this hatred towards ARABS. they are people. Your hatred should be toward the entire governments of the middle east that have all the oil in the world and choose to keep their families rich and haven't taken a course in political government and have no idea how to run a government. That is a separate issue. It's not the Arab's fault it rained. SO CHILL THE HELL OUT. WE ARE ALL PEOPLE.

Hilarious post, did you even read one post here? Maybe you need to check why it rains and why CQ asked for another venue long ago:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsoon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geogra...laysia#Climate

The game was delayed… and tell me what the hell did it change? Did it fix the field or did the sun suddenly pop out? Is there something you saw we all missed?
What the hell does "we are all people" mean? What has this to do with anything here? Again, I think you missed the point...by far.

[Doctor DOOM]

lol. Some of us are trying so desperately hard to "look" intellectual, we acutally end up making fools of ourselves by arguing the un-arguable!
heh. I guess behaving this way makes them feel more intellectual. okey ppl !!

look, we all know we had somethings in our hands and we didnt make full use of it (altho there arent that many items). But that doesnt change the fact that Iran has been the victim of DISPROPORTIONATE amount of wrong decisions by AFC.

[pres80]

The bold part is the only thing I have and am taking issue with DD jaan... this is not about OUR play... as I said before the stadium was picked by Syria FA to give as much advantage to Syria as possible based on their style of play.

This will apply to all of Syria's opponents equally - Korea played in the exact the same stadium and it is very likely all of Syria's other 3 opponents will play in the same stadium as well.

And again as I said in that last post, there's nothing sinister about Syrian FA being smart to pick a stadium that gives them an advantage... every association does the same thing and if they don't (as has been the case with the Canadian Soccer Association before picking venues where large expat populations of the opposing teams reside) it's plain old stupid.




My good man, please tell me you're not seriously comparing a stadium picked for the Euro finals (i.e. the best of the best) with a stadium in lowly Malaysia?

Nevermind Malaysia, do you actually think Azadi's pitch or the pitch of any other stadium in Iran would look like this picture after a torrential rainfall?

Every grass pitch has "drainage" unless you lay sod right on top of concrete or impermeable rocks in which case the grass would die within a few days. What differs is the degree of drainage and the level of technology used...

On that note, you're comparing a stadium in Europe that was less than 3 years old when this picture was taken (with the latest technology) to a stadium in Asia that's more than two decades old... apples and oranges my friend.

Don't get me wrong and I keep repeating this: based on the pitch conditions yesterday, the match should have been postponed or better yet rescheduled to another day. But that decision lied solely with the referee and it has nothing to do with AFC, the stadium or the Syrian FA.

There was absolutely nothing wrong with the stadium (beyond typical crappy Asian stadiums) had it not been for the rain... the pitch is not the greatest, but tell me you haven't seen MUCH worse in Asia (this is what the pitch looked like in the same stadium without torrential rain right before the match):

.. Dude... Malaysia has very good infrastructure, just because they are bad at football doesn't mean their stadiums suck... And you can see lots of matches in iran played under rain, but still there is no mud. Also because this is not the Euro finals that means that the stadium shouldn't be up to international standards? This is a WCQ match.

[Omids]

Arabs didn't control the weather people. Jesus. Everyone here talking crap on "Arabs" and their conspiracy theories sound like KKK leaders saying all blacks are bad. GIVE IT A REST. Nobody really could predict how that field would turn out. The game was delayed by 45 minutes. Just because we don't get our way doesn't mean everyone is a damn Arab who wants to destroy us. This isn't anything new. Rain happens. Delayed a WQC game sets back a lot of other games. We got a point. We did it. I am sick and tired of this hatred towards ARABS. they are people. Your hatred should be toward the entire governments of the middle east that have all the oil in the world and choose to keep their families rich and haven't taken a course in political government and have no idea how to run a government. That is a separate issue. It's not the Arab's fault it rained. SO CHILL THE HELL OUT. WE ARE ALL PEOPLE.

The point that we are raising is the double standards that AFC applies, and in most cases it is directed to ease the ways of seemingly a few nations, namely Arab nations. Why does AFC not allow Iran to seat spectators in part of the stadium that don't have seat but approved a below par stadium in Malaysia that has no seats at all. On top of that doesn't have appropriate drainage in a country that has heavy rains most of the time. Mind you there are stadiums that meet standards not far away in Shah Alam. The same stadium that was conveniently ushered in to use when Saudi Arabia forced AFC to move Iraq's game away with them from Iran. Now imagine if Iran requests to move a game away from its original spot. It will never happen.

There are obvious double standards that are riff in AFC that forces some keen observers to come to a conclusion that maybe some decisions are made with the determent of some nations in mind. There are enough evidence, albeit anecdotal, that this is very much the case. Of course some could call these conspiracy theories, and some would say there is no smoke without fire.