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    #31
    I think when it comes to football everyone is biased toward the first generation they became familiar with. But it's still true that the group of players that emerged in Iran during the 80's, especially the early to mid 80s, were the best we've ever had in their position. The reason for this is they spent their formative years in the 1970s. Which means to this day they are the only generation that grew up with systematic and even European training, something we didn't have before the 1970s and haven't had ever since. This is what makes that generation unique: they had been developed in a youth system that in that era only Iran had in the entire continent.

    Where I disagree with KC is that I don't think the 85-90 generation were much better than the early 80s generation. They were better in some positions such as Left Back (Moharrami), Right Midfield (Namjoo Motlagh), Midfield General (Ghayeghran) but in every other position the 80-85 team had players that were just as good and even better. From what I've read in interviews even the veterans of that era consider the 1984 Asian Cup squad the most talented group Iran has produced.

    At forward, Alidoosti had a similar record to Pious while playing for a less stacked team like Homa. Pious always benefited from playing with the best midfielders both at club and national level. We could have easily won the 84 cup if Alidoosti hadn't broken his leg in the first game against UAE while scoring the first goal.

    On the wings, we had Nasser Mohammadkhani and Changiz who for my money are the best wingers we've ever had. Mohammadkhani was a faster version of Ali Karimi, and just look at that goal Changiz scored in 85! The guy was a damn genius.

    In attacking midfield we had Derakhshan and Shahrokh Bayani, again as good as the best we've ever had in that area.

    Panjali is considered by most our best CB ever. Even in goal we had Behrouz Soltani who the late Hejazi himself called our best keeper after the revolution. He wasn't necessarily better than Abedzadeh but easily just as good.

    To refer to what I said earlier, Shahrokh Bayani used to train with Esteghlal's foreign coach one-on-one as a teenage kid back in the 70s. Today our youth are lucky if they get ANY professional coaching let alone a European one!
    To add more perspective, with that 85-90 generation we beat Bangladesh at home 1-0 in 1989.
    With the earlier generation, with a smaller budget and non-existent preparations at the height of the war, we beat them 5-0 away from home in 1984.

    I have no doubt without the revolution and the disasters that followed, this team would have shocked the world in the 82 and 86 world cups. Against Asian opponents that 80-85 generation always looked like an adult team playing against U-20s. It was completely one-sided. They were just in a difference class talent-wise. Even when they lost they totally outclassed the other team and only lost by bad luck after blowing chance after chance. And this was in the middle of the war when the national team budget was around zero and most friendly matches were against our own 2nd division clubs.

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      #32
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        #33
        I don't think it's me being biased towards the first generation of players I became familiar with. After all I also was present and following the team in the 1984 Asian Championship and 1986 Asian Games. For some reason though the generation of players I mentioned never get their due. Not to knock the players from the early 80s but I believe they actually hampered our progress as one by one Parvin started recalling them to replace (or simply ignore) newer and younger players (such as Aghajanian, Babazadeh,Taghavi, Abdi, Feyzarbabi, Garousi, Sabihsaran, Sarkhab, Ahakpour or Ahmadzadeh) after he became coach in spite of their now advanced age and slower pace. We brought a 34 year old Panjali back in defense, in addition to Naser Mohammadkhani, Shahin and Shahrokh Bayani, Derakhshan, Ahadi and Soltani, all players past their prime.

        I don't think you can compare Alidoosti to Pious. While Alidoosti was a formidable forward but Pious was the top scorer in the league 5 seasons in a row (IIRC). Also to my knowledge he still holds the record for most club goals in a league match (5 against Oghab) and in an AFC match (7 against Punjab).
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          #34
          1984 Perspolis vs Rah Ahan

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            #35
            I left in 1983 so I saw very little of that generation. I remember I couldn't wait to go to shiroodi on a Thursday or Friday afternoon for a double header. First game Ss, second game perspolis. having moved from a war torn region of the country, being able to go watch perspolis every week was as memorable as it was gonna get. Tehran was still very much like the old Tehran. I remember Gholhak to Tajreesh was just a few minutes drive. try doing that now days!! too bad that generation had to come while we were in a war. Naser Mohamad khani was truly a world class player.

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              #36
              Iran's Forgotten Generation

              Damet gharm! I remember i used to go to amjadieh and sadhezarnafari to watch Iran amateur league. Tnx for this post.


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                #37
                Our 1990 Asian Games Championship:


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                  #38
                  Originally posted by KC McElroy View Post
                  Not to knock the players from the early 80s but I believe they actually hampered our progress as one by one Parvin started recalling them to replace (or simply ignore) newer and younger players (such as Aghajanian, Babazadeh,Taghavi, Abdi, Feyzarbabi, Garousi, Sabihsaran, Sarkhab, Ahakpour or Ahmadzadeh) after he became coach in spite of their now advanced age and slower pace. We brought a 34 year old Panjali back in defense, in addition to Naser Mohammadkhani, Shahin and Shahrokh Bayani, Derakhshan, Ahadi and Soltani, all players past their prime.
                  It's true Parvin was a very timid coach for Team Melli, both in terms of tactics and in terms of trusting younger players. But we can't really blame the players for that.

                  I don't think you can compare Alidoosti to Pious. While Alidoosti was a formidable forward but Pious was the top scorer in the league 5 seasons in a row (IIRC). Also to my knowledge he still holds the record for most club goals in a league match (5 against Oghab) and in an AFC match (7 against Punjab).
                  Pious was great, but for my money Alidoosti is our most underrated forward ever. He had a great scoring record despite playing on a mediocre team and he actually got to play in Europe which back then was very hard to do for any Asian player. It was Bundesliga 2, but still. His national team record is also very similar to Pious. He had 15 goals in 27 games while Pious had 18 in 34. He could have played for the national team longer, but back then legionnaires would get cut from the team for leaving the country! So his season in Germany actually cost him the national team.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by krol View Post
                    It's true Parvin was a very timid coach for Team Melli, both in terms of tactics and in terms of trusting younger players. But we can't really blame the players for that.
                    I don't blame the players at all. I fully blame the coach but what I meant was because of their presence new and younger players did not materialize for TM.
                    Originally posted by krol View Post
                    Pious was great, but for my money Alidoosti is our most underrated forward ever. He had a great scoring record despite playing on a mediocre team and he actually got to play in Europe which back then was very hard to do for any Asian player. It was Bundesliga 2, but still. His national team record is also very similar to Pious. He had 15 goals in 27 games while Pious had 18 in 34. He could have played for the national team longer, but back then legionnaires would get cut from the team for leaving the country! So his season in Germany actually cost him the national team.
                    I still believe Pious was more lethal than Alidoosti. It's impossible to make a team for team comparison regarding opponents but still of Alidoosti's 15 goals, I believe more than half of them are against Asian minnows such as Pakistan, Bangladesh, Singapore, India and Phillipines. If you also consider that Pious emerged after the resignation of our main players and thus early on did not have an experienced supporting cast to feed him the ball, his record becomes even more impressive. He was a pure mordekhor who simply scored and did little else.
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                      #40
                      I found the penalty kicks of the 1988 Asian Championship 3rd place game. Abedzadeh kept a clean sheet throughout the game and the shootout. I love how calmly Ghayeghran buries his game winning shot and does a bezan ghadesh gesture to the rest of the team. He truly left us well before his time. RIP.

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                        #41
                        Abedzadeh was such a Penalty Killer. Amazing.
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                          #42
                          It almost was a full year after the 1990 Asian Games championship that we played another match (from Oct. 6, 1990 until Sept. 27, 1991). When we faced Algeria for the Afro-Asian Cup the rumor was that they had been in camp in Germany for a full 6 months, a rumor that was clearly fake as besides the point that clubs will not release their players for this long of a stretch, the match had been postponed many times and had it taken place when it was originally scheduled such a camp would not have been possible. On the other hand Parvin seemed to have no interest in bringing players in camp and preparing them. He even seemed to try to justify a potential loss when 5 days before the game he announced "۵ روزه که نمیتونم شق القمر کنم." In spite of this we played one of our best games against Algeria in Azadi. Not only did we win 2-1 but we completely outplayed them. Their only goal came from a thunderous (and perhaps lucky) shot from the edge of the box that Abedzadeh described as the most awesome goal he had ever conceded. In spite of such a display, Parvin opted for an all out defense strategy for the return match, hoping for a 0-0 tie and win on aggregate for us. The result was that we were pinned in our half for most of the game and a 1-0 win by Algeria gave them the championship.

                          I have searched everywhere for footage of the first leg but came up with nothing. I've posted footage of the return leg plus my college notes with my reaction to our display in it. The topic of my notes seemed to be fluid mechanics, particularly pressure, which was awesome as it was slang we used for having sex.





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                            #43
                            Wow I actually just found some footage of it:

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                              #44
                              Thanks Ken, i remember the game in Algeria wasn't televised so i was in front of Radio, sadly we lost the game 1-0 and lost the cup in aggregate.But that was one hell of Algeria team with Madjer.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Iran_19 View Post
                                Thanks Ken, i remember the game in Algeria wasn't televised so i was in front of Radio, sadly we lost the game 1-0 and lost the cup in aggregate.But that was one hell of Algeria team with Madjer.
                                I was supposed to go to the home game but found out that that same night was my friend's sister's wedding and I was invited. I first tried to come up with an excuse not to go (I couldn't say because of a soccer game) and then I said I'd be late as in my mind I was gonna go to the game and then go to the wedding. Ultimately I skipped the game and went to the wedding although periodically during the reception I'd run out to my car and listen to portions of it on my radio.
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