King Quieroz just said Iran can be top 10 in world football

[littlepersia17]

Reports are that CQ was high as f*ck when he posted this.

[Taz]

Lol at this thread. Iranians gonna be Iranians

[Afat11]

A lot of people shoot Sly down, but he's a nice guy... even if he does write a lot of silly stuff.

Sly is a blocked member for me. His posts are in my ignore listing. He may be the only one left that I haven't had a positive conversation with since I ignored him. Camran, Z Joon, etc. I've unblocked because I have had reasonable conversations with them since I blew up at them. Sly is still in my ignore list, because I have yet to have a positive interaction with him. Seems he likes to dahan be dahan with people too often.

I have tried to stop arguing with people I will never meet except for on the internet. It is not worth it to stress on a website I come to enjoy and relax for my hobby interest. Sly should follow this path, because he can look at me and see that path led me to a 1 month ban. He wouldn't want to have that happen especially in World Cup season. At least I was banned in a down time where nothing was happening with TM. It would be a shame to lose access to this site with all that will be happening with TM coming up. Just some advice to him, he can get angry and tell me he doesn't want my advice (which I expect), but hopefully he cools down now and for the future.

On the other side, if someone makes you upset, just ignore them. That's what I did, and it really helped my enjoyment of PFDC. I don't have to read things from people I don't want to.

[8008s]

an advice from Carlito to Carlos



Dont park the freakin bus!!!!!

Reports are that CQ was high as f*ck when he posted this.

[Sly]

Sly is a blocked member for me. His posts are in my ignore listing. He may be the only one left that I haven't had a positive conversation with since I ignored him. Camran, Z Joon, etc. I've unblocked because I have had reasonable conversations with them since I blew up at them. Sly is still in my ignore list, because I have yet to have a positive interaction with him. Seems he likes to dahan be dahan with people too often.
I have tried to stop arguing with people I will never meet except for on the internet. It is not worth it to stress on a website I come to enjoy and relax for my hobby interest. Sly should follow this path, because he can look at me and see that path led me to a 1 month ban. He wouldn't want to have that happen especially in World Cup season. At least I was banned in a down time where nothing was happening with TM. It would be a shame to lose access to this site with all that will be happening with TM coming up. Just some advice to him, he can get angry and tell me he doesn't want my advice (which I expect), but hopefully he cools down now and for the future.
On the other side, if someone makes you upset, just ignore them. That's what I did, and it really helped my enjoyment of PFDC. I don't have to read things from people I don't want to.

Well, that is unfortunate after having only 1 argument. I for one enjoy reading your posts even though I don't agree with you all the times. But it doesn't matter. That's exactly how it should be. You choose to read the posts you enjoy. Other members should learn that too. There is an ignore list which you can easily access.

About getting banned though. You have misunderstood me big time. Because I have never even once been warned by the admins, let alone getting banned. I'm always polite with people and unlike many here, "I have learned to tolerate people's views" even though I don't agree with them. Every fight that arises comes from others towards me, not the other way around. So be sure, I will never get banned from this site, unless I choose to leave myself. Thanks for the consideration though.

[Iranianarsenal11]

Lol... This is the most Persian thread in the history of threads. I'm gonna get my chai and khormah and finish reading the rest of these comments.

[nisfejahan]

hahahaha...if CQ was Iranian?!! If he was Iranian he would have been fired a long time ago. Nobody believes in Iranian coaches in Iran (or even outside Iran).

Everything else you mentioned, we have done in the past without CQ too. We've had even more players in Europe and they played in better leagues/teams. We qualified to the WC2006 easily. We had a realistic hope of advancing to the second round in that WC, with some of our players playing in top leagues/teams in Europe, including Ali Karimi in Bayern Munich.

As for a successful youth program..... calm down dude...we had only a good U17 WC once! That's all. That doesn't say anything about our youth program. If we had a good youth program, poor Mahdavikia didn't need to work his ass off to create Kia academy. When we qualify to the U17 WC every time and do well every time, THEN we can talk about a successful youth program. and besides their coach was an Iranian too. I don't know how CQ suddenly ended up in your equation there!

Having said all that, what CQ has done, is the way he's handled IFF and Iran's government. THAT's something no one has ever done before. That's the reason we are finally getting friendly games and preparing for the WC semi-properly. But I wouldn't give all of that to CQ either, even though he is the biggest reason behind it. You have to give a big credit to Taj and his gang for doing a fantastic job. CQ couldn't do the the same with Kafashian in charge, remember?

So let's calm down and don't get jav-gir. CQ is a very good coach for Iran. But let's not make a god out of him.

The bolded part IS NOT TRUE!!!!!

Many people forget that, although Iran qualified "easily" in the last round of qualifications, it was almost eliminated in the preliminary qualification round. It came down to the game vs Jordan, in Jordan. Iran had to beat Jordan in Jordan. A tie would not have been good enough. Iran had lost against Jordan in Tehran 1-0.

It was only brilliance of Azizi that saved Iran in that game. If I remember correctly, he was re-inserted into the national team just before that game and came in as a substitute late in the game. He provided the creative spark that was so blatantly missing in midfield (Before that he was stubbornly excluded by Balzevic and later Branko. Branko finally realized that he needed Azizi and called him back up). Iran scored two goals very late. I believe both goals were scored in the last 10 minutes, with the second one in injury time.

So, NO IRAN DID NOT QUALIFY EASILY. It was almost eliminated in the preliminary rounds at the hands of that "powerhouse" Jordan.

Even in the final round, 2 teams out of 4 could qualify. Iran came second in that group. One of the reasons it did qualify were that the other two teams were Bahrain and NK. (I remember that Bahrain went to playoffs against Trinidad and lost to them, thus losing the chance of their first appearance at WC).

Whether you call him King or whatever else, his impact on TM is far greater than any other coaches in TMs history. He cannot even be compared to anyone else. And his results with TM? Well they speak for themselves.

[Gotham]

Sly is a blocked member for me. His posts are in my ignore listing. He may be the only one left that I haven't had a positive conversation with since I ignored him. Camran, Z Joon, etc. I've unblocked because I have had reasonable conversations with them since I blew up at them. Sly is still in my ignore list, because I have yet to have a positive interaction with him. Seems he likes to dahan be dahan with people too often.

I have tried to stop arguing with people I will never meet except for on the internet. It is not worth it to stress on a website I come to enjoy and relax for my hobby interest. Sly should follow this path, because he can look at me and see that path led me to a 1 month ban. He wouldn't want to have that happen especially in World Cup season. At least I was banned in a down time where nothing was happening with TM. It would be a shame to lose access to this site with all that will be happening with TM coming up. Just some advice to him, he can get angry and tell me he doesn't want my advice (which I expect), but hopefully he cools down now and for the future.

On the other side, if someone makes you upset, just ignore them. That's what I did, and it really helped my enjoyment of PFDC. I don't have to read things from people I don't want to.

I've already put Ehsan Singapore and Ardalan on my ignore list, useful feature xD

[Sly]

It was only brilliance of Azizi that saved Iran in that game.

1. If that game is the game I think you mean, it was not against Jordan. It was against Qatar!

2. "Our win being only due to Azizi's brilliance" is highly debatable. It was TM's performance altogether. They all fought to the end. Firstly it was the brilliance of Kaebi and Borhani which lead to the second goal (Azizi wasn't even involved)! Then it was firstly the brilliance of Mobali, then the pass of Nekounam, then Azizi, then the brilliance of Mahdavikia and finally the great goal of Hashemian that gave the third goal.

3. Blazevic wasn't stubbornly keeping Azizi away. He was keeping him away for disciplinary reasons. Just like what CQ did with Rahmati! Azizi left the camp for not getting his usual number 11 shirt and he was unfortunately but rightly excluded from TM! Something he has acknowledged now himself.

Iran came second in that group. One of the reasons it did qualify were that the other two teams were Bahrain and NK. (I remember that Bahrain went to playoffs against Trinidad and lost to them, thus losing the chance of their first appearance at WC).

Iran came second, only because in the last game against Japan, the young players (more or less U23TM) played, since Iran had already qualified to the WC! We lost to Japan in Japan and came second.

[nisfejahan]

1. If that game is the game I think you mean, it was not against Jordan. It was against Qatar!

2. "Our win being only due to Azizi's brilliance" is highly debatable. It was TM's performance altogether. They all fought to the end. Firstly it was the brilliance of Kaebi and Borhani which lead to the second goal (Azizi wasn't even involved)! Then it was firstly the brilliance of Mobali, then the pass of Nekounam, then Azizi, then the brilliance of Mahdavikia and finally the great goal of Hashemian that gave the third goal.

3. Blazevic wasn't stubbornly keeping Azizi away. He was keeping him away for disciplinary reasons. Just like what CQ did with Rahmati! Azizi left the camp for not getting his usual number 11 shirt and he was unfortunately but rightly excluded from TM! Something he has acknowledged now himself.

Iran came second, only because in the last game against Japan, the young players (more or less U23TM) played, since Iran had already qualified to the WC! We lost to Japan in Japan and came second.

Yes, it was against Qatar. But it does not change the fact that Iran barely made it out of their preliminary qualification group, needing a win against Qatar in Qatar. I recall very clearly that Azizi changed the game after he came in and made the crucial through pass to RW (Kia I think) for the 3rd and decisive goal in a 3-2 victory. But whatever role Azizi played, does not change the fact that Iran barely made it out of that group and needed a win in Qatar.

Yes, Balzevic pushed Azizi out, but Branko kept the same policy on Azizi and did not invite him until that game. Aziz was passed his prime by then, but still made a valuable contribution. He himself acknowledged that Karimi was a better first choice at that time. Whether or not Azizi deserved the punishment by Balzevic is really beside the point. However, to be fair, you should not compare him to the Rahmati situation. Rahmati quit the team on his own, when he thought TM was a sinking ship and he wanted to jump off to save himself and be able to do the customary "I told you you so later". Then Carlos refused to re-invite Rahmati. In my book, Carlos did the absolute right thing as a leader.

Azizi was pushed out over a silly reason by a coach that was trying to establish his authority even before the 2002 campaign was fully underway. A better coach/leader would have handled it very differently. But Azizi actually came back to the team to save a sinking ship that was TM in the preliminary round of 2006 qualifiers. So major difference in circumstances. One jumped off an apparently sinking ship. The other (Azizi) jumped on a sinking ship and had a hand in saving it.

I think any fair minded person will look at the circumstances of 2006 qualification, the results, etc and compare it to 2018 qualifications will concede that there is no comparison. The 2018 team is managed by a coach at the top of his game, on all fronts; technical, management, and leadership. The 2006 team was managed by an ok coach that was pushed around by players and the federation staff. The 2018 team came in first (by 7 points!!!!!) in a group of 6 that had SK, Uzbekistan, Qatar, etc. The 2006 team barely made it out of the prelim rounds and in the final round came in second in a group of only 4, mainly because the other 2/4 teams were garbage.

There simply is NO comparison between the results of 2006 and 2018. Nor is there any comparison between Branko and Carlos.

The results speak for themselves.

[Sly]

Yes, it was against Qatar. But it does not change the fact that Iran barely made it out of their preliminary qualification group, needing a win against Qatar in Qatar. I recall very clearly that Azizi changed the game after he came in and made the crucial through pass to RW (Kia I think) for the 3rd and decisive goal in a 3-2 victory. But whatever role Azizi played, does not change the fact that Iran barely made it out of that group and needed a win in Qatar.
Yes, Balzevic pushed Azizi out, but Branko kept the same policy on Azizi and did not invite him until that game. Aziz was passed his prime by then, but still made a valuable contribution. He himself acknowledged that Karimi was a better first choice at that time. Whether or not Azizi deserved the punishment by Balzevic is really beside the point. However, to be fair, you should not compare him to the Rahmati situation. Rahmati quit the team on his own, when he thought TM was a sinking ship and he wanted to jump off to save himself and be able to do the customary "I told you you so later". Then Carlos refused to re-invite Rahmati. In my book, Carlos did the absolute right thing as a leader.
Azizi was pushed out over a silly reason by a coach that was trying to establish his authority even before the 2002 campaign was fully underway. A better coach/leader would have handled it very differently. But Azizi actually came back to the team to save a sinking ship that was TM in the preliminary round of 2006 qualifiers. So major difference in circumstances. One jumped off an apparently sinking ship. The other (Azizi) jumped on a sinking ship and had a hand in saving it.
I think any fair minded person will look at the circumstances of 2006 qualification, the results, etc and compare it to 2018 qualifications will concede that there is no comparison. The 2018 team is managed by a coach at the top of his game, on all fronts; technical, management, and leadership. The 2006 team was managed by an ok coach that was pushed around by players and the federation staff. The 2018 team came in first (by 7 points!!!!!) in a group of 6 that had SK, Uzbekistan, Qatar, etc. The 2006 team barely made it out of the prelim rounds and in the final round came in second in a group of only 4, mainly because the other 2/4 teams were garbage.
There simply is NO comparison between the results of 2006 and 2018. Nor is there any comparison between Branko and Carlos.
The results speak for themselves.

There is no question that there is a huge difference between CQ and Branko in terms of quality. That's not even a debate. but you and I have quite a few differences when it comes to perception of the past happenings.

Azizi "chose" to leave TM camp himself, exactly the same way as Rahmati did. Getting a wrong shirt is not an excuse, let alone a good one to leave TM! This was not the first time Azizi had problems with his coaches. In fact he had problems with almost all his coaches (except probably Jalali). The story about him being pushed out was just a theory brought up by his fans to make an excuse for his antic drama queen behavior. Blazevic said a few times that after that training he really thought he had found his main playmaker in Azizi before the guy suddenly packed up and left. At that time, Branko was the assistant coach of Blazevic. He was there when this happened, so it's just natural he would also go in the same direction when he took over. I think anyone of us would have done the same.

and I do agree that Azizi was past his prime when he was finally included in TM (with the pressure from media and his fans) but even though I think he made a nice pass to Mahdavikia, I don't believe he had such a decisive role as you believe he had. As said, I think TM as a whole played well in that game and they did score a goal in the second half and were close to score a few more before even Azizi was subbed in. If I remember correctly, he was subbed in instead of Hossein Kaebi, who was actually playing really well, assisting the second goal before he was subbed out. I think the only reason Azizi was subbed in was to shut down the pressure from his fans. Otherwise IMO, we would have won against Qatar and qualified even without him.

But yes, now that you mention it, I do remember that we had to win that game to go to the next round. Although we did qualify to the WC earlier by beating a very strong Japan in Iran. Whether we came top or second in our group didn't matter as long as our younger players played the last game and got the experience. Otherwise we could have played with all our seniors and topped the group by even getting a draw in Japan.

[nisfejahan]

There is no question that there is a huge difference between CQ and Branko in terms of quality. That's not even a debate. but you and I have quite a few differences when it comes to perception of the past happenings.
Azizi "chose" to leave TM camp himself, exactly the same way as Rahmati did. Getting a wrong shirt is not an excuse, let alone a good one to leave TM! This was not the first time Azizi had problems with his coaches. In fact he had problems with almost all his coaches (except probably Jalali). The story about him being pushed out was just a theory brought up by his fans to make an excuse for his antic drama queen behavior. Blazevic said a few times that after that training he really thought he had found his main playmaker in Azizi before the guy suddenly packed up and left. At that time, Branko was the assistant coach of Blazevic. He was there when this happened, so it's just natural he would also go in the same direction when he took over. I think anyone of us would have done the same.
and I do agree that Azizi was past his prime when he was finally included in TM (with the pressure from media and his fans) but even though I think he made a nice pass to Mahdavikia, I don't believe he had such a decisive role as you believe he had. As said, I think TM as a whole played well in that game and they did score a goal in the second half and were close to score a few more before even Azizi was subbed in. If I remember correctly, he was subbed in instead of Hossein Kaebi, who was actually playing really well, assisting the second goal before he was subbed out. I think the only reason Azizi was subbed in was to shut down the pressure from his fans. Otherwise IMO, we would have won against Qatar and qualified even without him.
But yes, now that you mention it, I do remember that we had to win that game to go to the next round. Although we did qualify to the WC earlier by beating a very strong Japan in Iran. Whether we came top or second in our group didn't matter as long as our younger players played the last game and got the experience. Otherwise we could have played with all our seniors and topped the group by even getting a draw in Japan.

I guess we disagree on the impact of Azizi in the game vs Qatar. I also disagree that Branko was justified in excluding Azizi. I believe a better coach could have, and would have been able to get the best out of Azizi despite his behavior.

However, my original point was that the 2006 qualification was anything but easy, and was a borderline disaster, in the prelim round. And the final round results was anything but spectacular, having more to do with a very easy group than a strong Iran TM. Hence, not even comparable to the 2018 qualifications. And the coaches are not comparable either.

[DR Strangemoosh]

Guys, please can we not mention Branko and CQ in the same sentence.
CQ isn't a perfect coach, but he has made a lot of good steps. His world cup record so far may be absolutely identical to Branko.
But it isn't just about world cup performance. Branko's impact was the way his decisions impacted TM for the following 10 years. His decisions really harmed the development of TM and TM young players:


- SPINELESSNESS: Sticking with one goalkeeper (Mirzapour) who was error-prone, and not even giving a chance to test other alternatives, and there were a few (contrast with CQ). Not altering his tactics and game plan, and keeping with the same formations/line-ups for every damn game. He just didn't want to experiment and try different players, he didn't like any chance. We had a series of very feeble performances in the 2005-early 2006 period but NOTHING was changed after them, and he had a lot more new talent at his disposal than his predecessors (remember poor Pourheidari who had a midfield of Fekri, Navazi, Halali to pick from)

- OUTSIDE INFLUENCE: Branko let himself be influenced too much by player agents such as Reza Fazeli who was in the TM camp for the World Cup, and we all know that it affected the team spirit. He also let Daei dictate matters far too much in terms of team selection.

- TEAM SPIRIT: Our team spirit was the worst for WC06 when players were even refusing to pass to each other, let alone speaking with each other (contrast with CQ and the tight-knit unit he has built)

- TACTICAL NONSENSE: After finally bringing Bayern Munich's Hashemian back into the fold, he pushed him out to the wing (absolute no man's land) to accommodate a stagnant Ali Daei, who was playing 90 minutes for every game, not even subbed out for young strikers to get a chance to get some game time.

- TROLLING: Bringing Khatibi back to TM, starting him and Enayati. Khatibi was a constant source of frustration, the worst finisher we have ever had internationally, how he had so many caps no one can explain (well, apart from Branko and Khatibi's agent at the time Fazeli probably).

- POOR TEAM SELECTION: I tend to understand or agree with pretty much every time that CQ picks, or at least accept the choices. When we had more talented players, I never understood why Branko picked Badavi, Alavi, Kameli Mofrad, Khatibi, Sattar Zare. He had a favoured group of players who he stuck with, who were worse than a number of their peers in IPL.

- OGHDEH - Falling out with his prized player (Mobali) when the latter refused to move to Dynamo Zagreb in 2005. At the time he was the only two-footed playmaker apart from Karimi and he was player of the year in IPL at the age of 21. He was just dropped after Branko's lajbaazi.

- STIFLING DEVELOPMENT - We had, at the time, arguably our brightest crop of aged 18-22 youngsters who all looked very talented (Kazemian, Mobali, Borhani). They weren't given enough playing time internationally to develop and ended up dwindling, as the coach just kept playing the same people for 90 minutes regardless of how they performed (contrast with CQ)

[Sly]

I guess we disagree on the impact of Azizi in the game vs Qatar. I also disagree that Branko was justified in excluding Azizi. I believe a better coach could have, and would have been able to get the best out of Azizi despite his behavior.

However, my original point was that the 2006 qualification was anything but easy, and was a borderline disaster, in the prelim round. And the final round results was anything but spectacular, having more to do with a very easy group than a strong Iran TM. Hence, not even comparable to the 2018 qualifications. And the coaches are not comparable either.

Well then we shall agree to disagree.

But thank you for discussing this matter in a civilized and polite way even though we disagree. Some members in this forum need to learn this.

Pleasure to have this discussion with you.

[pajamNL]

Just sit back and enjoy the ride, all made possible by the groundbreaking work of King Q.

Just as Hiddink did for South Korea.

Now lets hope IRI doesn't break all work done down after his departure.

We thank Carlos Q. for his passion, patient and hard work