Never demand for Friendly matches again!

[Nariman]

This supposed "preparation" match once again showed the reason why we do NOT have the right to ask for friendlies. Janbe bakhtan nadarim! With this kind of attitude no coach ever can use friendlies to test new players, risk, and try out new tactics without having to worry about the possible pressure, in case things go wrong . The amount of shit storm from the plastic experts just messes up the spirit and confidence of the camp. Look how people are going wild and escalating. Che khabare? Mage Tahdig sookhte? One damn game and people are coming up with new squads, line ups and plans

Next time we play some random weak-ass team think about: WHY. I can fully understand CQ here and I am actually happy that we don't play too many big teams before the World Cup. All these experts won't understand that the results of friendlies mean shit. Those results barely say anything about the real quality of the team. This is not maths FFS - where you can say XY beat folani, but we lost against yaroo, but folani is stronger than yaroo = so we are worse than XY. We all wouldn't be here if football was as boring and predictable like that.

As long as we react like that, never ever make fun of our friendlies again, because that is what we truly deserve. We constantly want to test new players, new formations, new strategies... constantly want strong opponents, challenges... BUT seem to not understand that this requires to FAIL. Because most the times these tryouts will go wrong. That's exactly the purpose after all, to LEARN from those failures. But we...we instead go ravani and bash the shit out of the whole team.

And for those who don't follow the club performances of certain players. Please stop bullshitting saying XY is no TM Material, just based on few games you have seen him with the national team. You can't judge a player potential based on a couple of national team games. You have to follow them for at least half a season to be able to really judge his level, talent, potential... Playing for the national team is much different and many great players sometimes have a hard time to convert their full quality from their club to the national team. At the same time we have others who perform better for the national team than their club. So its complex and thats the beauty of football.

At the end there is nothing more ridiculous than asking why the coach used this player or that tactic in a PREPARATION MATCH. Agha Jaan, someone please tell what is the purpose then?

[AIrani]

Easy.

Criticism is okay. Friendlies are good and Iran should continue with them for the reasons that you mentioned.

If we are upset, it is NOT because of the loss. It is because some of our players did not do well, the ground playing field was not, and the referee did not call a penalty for Iran.

[sarbaz]

At this point Who gives a shit if some of our players didn’t play well !!??

That is the reason why CQ played those low experience players to test them

That is exactly the reason why we play these PREPARATION games to begin with

And please let’s not act like you or I know more about football and TM than our beloved CQ

This man knows his stuff people .

[Nariman]

Easy.
Criticism is okay. Friendlies are good and Iran should continue with them for the reasons that you mentioned.
If we are upset, it is NOT because of the loss. It is because some of our players did not do well, the ground playing field was not, and the referee did not call a penalty for Iran.

Yeah, people are attacking players/coaches because they are upset with the field and referee. Sorry bro, vali che rabti daare?

Constructive criticism is ok, bashing is not. What we do is not criticism. It's far away from that. If we had won with the same performance the bashing wouldn't be as intense as now. Of course some of our players won't do well, what else did we expect? There is no reason to go mad like that. This is why we have preparation matches.

Anyway, this thread is not solely based on the reactions of yesterdays match. This attitude has been going on for years!
We lost to Oman by 3 goals last WCQ - remember our reaction? We beat Chile in a friendly - remember our reaction? Zero to Hero, to Zero to Hero...there is no balance.

I remember the friendly against Russia after the Asian Cup. Mansourian was the temporary coach back then and won - and people here were demanding him to be the official coach after one game lol. So it is not only about the fans bashing, but also about the fans praising too much. We always have to exaggerate- be it positive or negative.

[DR Strangemoosh]

And please let’s not act like you or I know more about football and TM than our beloved CQ
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Disagree with you here agha.

I love CQ and haven't ever really criticised him but I think criticism is healthy in all walks of society, especially football.

That's why even though I disagree with a few of his stances on CQ, and I don't think he ever has truly appreciated the paradigm-shift Q has implemented, I support Doctor Doom's right to make criticisms of CQ.

More than anything, when we were asking in 2006 about so many odd decisions (Why is Mirzapour playing every game when there is a young PGL goalkeeper performing much better than him, why is the 23 year-old PGL player of the year not travelling to the world cup, why does Daei have to start every game and hashemian pushed out of position, are Kameli Mofrad, etc... really the best defenders for Iran?) a few people on this site like webbie, MR were saying "don't act like you know more about football than Branko or Afazeli, are you a national coach or them?" as if to say your comments have no significance because they are much more qualified than you. Which was just wrong.

That is why criticism is very very healthy.

Having said all that I think what CQ has done is a miracle for TM and the day we lose him is a disaster.

[Z Joon]

And for those who don't follow the club performances of certain players. Please stop bullshitting saying XY is no TM Material, just based on few games you have seen him with the national team. You can't judge a player potential based on a couple of national team games. You have to follow them for at least half a season to be able to really judge his level, talent, potential... Playing for the national team is much different and many great players sometimes have a hard time to convert their full quality from their club to the national team. At the same time we have others who perform better for the national team than their club. So its complex and thats the beauty of football.

We are frankly professionals at doing this here unfortunately

[IranPowned]

People also forget that Iran lost from Guinea in 2014, and people here were yelling that Nigeria will destroy us and CQ needed to go. 3 months later Nigeria couldn't do jack shit against Iran at the world cup. People also forget that Germany is always weak in friendlies but when the world cup starts they trash everyone.

[Tehranto]

Great thread by Nariman - I tweeted this on PFDC's official account to get the discussion going from some of the points made here:

https://twitter.com/FootballPersian/...15823270445056

Please discuss there as well.

[O-ZoNe]

I think this logic is flawed. Remember the higher you rise the harder you fall! Some nations kills players for losses. The best demand the best. We are the best in Asia and should expect this kind of response. I would hate to wake up one day after a TM loss (to any nation at any level) and the fans reaction be "oh well, better luck next time". As team melli fans I love our passion and dedication to this team. Apathy is not in our sporting culture. I love how our fans get up to follow games at any time in the day from anywhere in the world. I was in Mexico and I pleaded with a bartender so much that he agreed to switch one TV to a team melli game and I had a bunch of tourists routing for Iran. We are a proud set of fans. Expect this kind of reaction. Big clubs, big nations in the world of sports experience this day in day out.

[Nariman]

I think this logic is flawed. Remember the higher you rise the harder you fall! Some nations kills players for losses. The best demand the best. We are the best in Asia and should expect this kind of response. I would hate to wake up one day after a TM loss (to any nation at any level) and the fans reaction be "oh well, better luck next time". As team melli fans I love our passion and dedication to this team. Apathy is not in our sporting culture. I love how our fans get up to follow games at any time in the day from anywhere in the world. I was in Mexico and I pleaded with a bartender so much that he agreed to switch one TV to a team melli game and I had a bunch of tourists routing for Iran. We are a proud set of fans. Expect this kind of reaction. Big clubs, big nations in the world of sports experience this day in day out.

I actually think what you say has nothing to do with the thread anyway.

There is nothing flawed in saying preperation matches are there to test new players or tactics, which often leads to some failures. Nobody is saying we should not aim to win and be happy to lose, but fact is friendlies don't mean much when it comes to the real quality of the team.

Going mad and bashing the team after a preparation game is not being emotional or passionate. It's being naive and clueless. We literally have people judging players based on one game. I read a comment on a another site, where someoone was demanding to replace Mohammadi Or others complain about CQ not using the best line-up. Is this the World Cup? Of course he will use new line ups and try out fresh new combinations.

Our fan culture as a whole is a catastrophe. And no. I have yet to see fans from big clubs around the world going as crazy as we do after merely friendly games.

[O-ZoNe]

I actually think what you say has nothing to do with the thread anyway.
There is nothing flawed in saying preperation matches are there to test new players or tactics, which often leads to some failures. Nobody is saying we should not aim to win and be happy to lose, but fact is friendlies don't mean much when it comes to the real quality of the team.
Going mad and bashing the team after a preparation game is not being emotional or passionate. It's being naive and clueless. We literally have people judging players based on one game. I read a comment on a another site, where someoone was demanding to replace Mohammadi Or others complain about CQ not using the best line-up. Is this the World Cup? Of course he will use new line ups and try out fresh new combinations.
Our fan culture as a whole is a catastrophe. And no. I have yet to see fans from big clubs around the world going as crazy as we do after merely friendly games.

Hmmmm then maybe you aren't familiar with sporting culture? I mean major sports have holidays built around rumors and fan discontent. In the NHL they have trade deadline date, and actually call out players as trade bate. Fans in Ottawa have billboards asking for an owner to be removed from the team...a team that almost won the Stanley cup last year. In the NFL fans wanted players banned for taking a knee, and in the NBA fans were bashing Lebron James for first leaving Cleveland (they burned effigies and jerseys) and now that he won a championship or two upon return they are fighting with rival cities who are trying to lure him away. University of Alabama fans assaulted and (I believe if I am not mistaken) shot and killed a supporter who said "who cares we lost". Remember what happened to Brazil after their embarrassment in the WC? You can't win them all can you? Fans are irrational, fans are crazy, that is what a fan is. A sports fan is short for a sports fanatic and not a sports logical/rational supporter! Just look at what Arsenal fans are doing to Wenger and the team!

[Nariman]

Hmmmm then maybe you aren't familiar with sporting culture? I mean major sports have holidays built around rumors and fan discontent. In the NHL they have trade deadline date, and actually call out players as trade bate. Fans in Ottawa have billboards asking for an owner to be removed from the team...a team that almost won the Stanley cup last year. In the NFL fans wanted players banned for taking a knee, and in the NBA fans were bashing Lebron James for first leaving Cleveland (they burned effigies and jerseys) and now that he won a championship or two upon return they are fighting with rival cities who are trying to lure him away. University of Alabama fans assaulted and (I believe if I am not mistaken) shot and killed a supporter who said "who cares we lost". Remember what happened to Brazil after their embarrassment in the WC? You can't win them all can you? Fans are irrational, fans are crazy, that is what a fan is. A sports fan is short for a sports fanatic and not a sports logical/rational supporter! Just look at what Arsenal fans are doing to Wenger and the team!

To be honest, don't want to be rude, but you are sounding just like these kind of people that desperately just want to drop a random comment and say the opposite. Barley anything you say has to do with the topic.

I am saying friendlies in football shouldn't be taken as serious as we take them, while you are coming up with random stories from NHL, NBA or how you met a bartender in Mexico. I can't even answer you, because you are either smart and try to twist the discussion so much that it fits your arguments, like some business expert, or you really didn't read the OP and actually have no clue about the point of this thread.

I am talking about the meaning of football preparation matches, you are taking about embarrassments in the World Cup or in the league + you give random extreme examples and try to make it sound all it's the norm and we should be like that as well. Is this some sort of trolling?

[O-ZoNe]

To be honest, don't want to be rude, but you are sounding just like these kind of people that desperately just want to drop a random comment and say the opposite. Barley anything you say has to do with the topic.

I am saying friendlies in football shouldn't be taken as serious as we take them, while you are coming up with random stories from NHL, NBA or how you met a bartender in Mexico. I can't even answer you, because you are either smart and try to twist the discussion so much that it fits your arguments, like some business expert, or you really didn't read the OP and actually have no clue about the point of this thread.

I am talking about the meaning of football preparation matches, you are taking about embarrassments in the World Cup or in the league + you give random extreme examples and try to make it sound all it's the norm and we should be like that as well. Is this some sort of trolling?

I am saying fans are crazy. I am saying I get what you are saying but fans will dismiss you since they are fanatics and take more stock than you do in a friendly.

Fans tend to be irrational and dismiss eachother. Fans read too much in a friendly but that's what a fanatic does. In fact you don't sound rude at all...just another typical know it all fan who believes he or she is the rational logical one lol

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[BacheLot]

CQ was way too experimental in the last game for my liking ..... !! wack starting line-up and too many subs, killed any flow we coulda had to our game and apart from 10-15 minutes we played like a cluster fk of a team that has no business going to WC..!combine all that with the kiri weather and horrid playing conditions, its really hard to put too much blame on our underperforming players under those settings, playing a formidable opponent at their Home...!
The result was fair and the loss certainly doesnt bother me, just feel a little like we wasted a good opportunity to get our likely WC starters a chance to show their capabilities and learn from this test...!!

i suppose CQ didnt want to show his hand too early before the world cup ??nor reveal too much of of his real starters and playing tactics ahead of WC...???? But honestly I dont really care for such Chicken-shitty approach and mentality to this WC as we did in 2014 where he took along every fking defender he could find, even injured one and a 2-3 others who simply lacked the necessary caliber and experience to be playing at WC..!!
this whole "Surprise or Unknown Factor" is mostly thing of the past and not really applicable to WC...!! Hich teami kasi ro Daste Kam nemigire and All team have 6 months to prepare their team to face their group opponents and you hardly can throw anything worthy @ your opponent that they havent seen or prepared for in the 6 months running up that fixture at WC..!!

Id be highly disappointed if CQ pulls same shittt vs Algeria friendly or other important friendlies coming up...!! I like to see what our real A team capable to do ..... no more of this over-experimentations..!!

[PersianLegion]

Criticism is necessary and healthy. Otherwise, management will turn to dictatorship.

We are aware of weakness and strength of CQ as our NT manager, so we have the right to criticize him whenever he makes mistake or it seems like one.
1. Iran vs Uzbekistan
2. Iran vs Lebanon
3. Iran vs Nigeria
4. Iran vs Bosnia
5. Iran vs Iraq
6. Iran vs Dubai African United

Playing against Somali pirates and 3rd division Italian or other no names teams.
Insisting on Hajsafi-Amiri combo while all of us saw the disaster in AC
Dropping Ali Karimi and Khalatbari from WC squad and taking an Injured Beikzadeh. Not taking Azmoun to WC, firing Nekounam and his Iranian assistants while he was in Dubai. There are many questionable actions done by CQ over 7 years that we can not defend but since his positive efforts outweigh his negative impacts, we like him. But it doesn't take away the right from our fans to criticize him .

Our fans have the right to see the best performance of our team specially in an important friendly like Tunisia. We have only 3 serious match one was against Tunisia and the other two are versus Turkey and Algeria. If we can not test our best team line up then when is the best time?