Carlos Queiroz warns that Iran is far from the required level

[KasraKhan]

I thought this was interesting, considering only a few IPL players will likely get playing time in the WC (barring injuries/suspensions):

Beiranvand - although I don't know if he counts since he's a GK
Hosseini
Possibly Ghafouri - if he doesn't opt for Rezaeian.
Possibly Amiri - but he's in the best shape out of anyone on our team.
And either Karimi or Ebrahimi for the Morocco match, and only for that match.

[PersianLegion]

CQ ghalat kard.

[euphory]

CQ ghalat kard.

i guess someone is Jealous.

seems like you one of those branko supporters hahaha. can't do anything but laugh.
did you even see the games. if you think they were in great shape your delusional.

[BacheLot]

WC games are all so often played at maddening pace and outmost intensity .... !! far..FAR exceeding that of many other top level tourneys and competitions, from my observations..!
it doesnt matter a whole lot if a team is highly skilled and tactically sound unit, if they lack the necessary Fitness and stamina to Match the pace and intensity of the play that their supposedly inferior opponent bring out to the pitch on the game day..!!
Optimal Fitness and Stamina play a Huge role in success of teams at WC ..... case in point would be our super talented WC06 TM squad who nearly all, pooped-out after 50-60minutes in all 3 games and got easily brushed aside after the halfway marks... end up finishing bottom of the group even blew the shitt-ass Angolan team..!

make no mistake, what CQ is asking for isnt a 40day technical & tactical clinic but Purely a much Much Needed Fitness and Stamina boot camp, in order to avoid utter embarrassment @ Russia, which in all honestly is quiet likely considering the strong group opponents we are pitted against ..!

[shahabGAOL]

Even my friends in The Netherlands sent me this link. It's become international news now. Also in Germany and Austria.
I think Carlos is right what he's plans are for Iran. I hope our federation take this request seriously.

https://sportnieuws.nl/voetbal/buite...e-direct-stil/
https://www.fcupdate.nl/voetbalnieuw...ie-stilleggen/
https://www.ad.nl/buitenlands-voetba...r-wk~af28acb8/

My friends translate some:
Carlos saying: '' Spain and Portugal are years ahead of us. The decision has to be taken today, otherwise it may be too late, "says 65-year-old Queiroz.
But I know our federation and they just do what they are doing and noghting will be happend. South Korea with Guus Hiddink was 1 year of tranning with them and the weak South Korea become the first ever Asian team to be in the Semi-Finales of a World Cup in 2002 We need to learn from that moment and do the some. I think even now we are to late.

[Leopard]

Algeria and Tunis matches proved CQ's point. so what can we do? work harder and run more everyday? but there is one more thing that we may have overlooked. The players from some teams like Zob, Parse jonoobi and foolad. Did CQ and his staff miss someone? Do we have anyone better than Cheshmi, Ebrahimi and Shojai? If we we who are they? we need to take a second look at the players who have been forgotten. Khalatbari in the previous cup could have helped and Now maybe we have someone else who could help. why not doing a full review of the PGL defenders and mid fielders. to check fitness you can easily do it without GPS as old fashioned way. Run sprint and time every player. Run 3 miles and check the heart beat of every players. If the mihani coaches are professional, they should have been collecting data and they need to share it.

[Babak agha]

Babak jaan,
You're totally mistaken, and possibly have not been following our domestic league and TM news closely. Over the years CQ has constantly and repeatedly been complaining about our domestic league players fitness problem and lack of training facilities and proper training by unqualified trainers.
To be fair to him, he has always pointed out these problems, hence consequently constantly getting hit and harshly criticized by the PGPL coaches for his comments on their fitness shortcomings. There is so much and national team coach can do. And he is actually right now bravely pushing too hard to hopefully get this 40 extra days to prepare these players.
The man plays his cards right and smart. He purposely gave enough playing time to domestic league's players, so that every single one of us, including PGPL coaches see them perform and compare them with our legionnaires. And we all witnesses the outcome loud and clear!

Keano jan, maybe I'm mistaken. It wouldn't be the first time

But my blind neighbor's grandmother who doesn't know what football is and that doesn't know that Asia is a continent and not another name for China also knows that our players (the majority to some extent) do not have:

- the required stamina,
- basic technique (receiving balls, passing, shooting, turning, etc.),
- tactical knowledge,
- ability to read fast pace games,
- stay cool under pressure,
- professional attitude (Hashemian, Kia, JB, etc aside)
- etc.
- etc.
- etc.

Our players most of the time do what they do and achieve what they achieve based on their God given talents, "gheyrat" and "ab goosht".

However, what you also can call this and people who defend CQ blindly is: being hypocrites and applying double standards.

He knew this for the last 7 years, what did he do (not so much he could do). We knew this since WC 1974 (nothing has changed, yes there are advantages as there's always improvements whether you want or not but compare it to Japan, Korea, Turkey, Belgium, etc.).

When Karimi started criticizing IFF everyone was on the bandwagon of insulting him and saying that he shouldn't create "hashiye" so close to the World Cup games.

When CQ does it everyone is full of praise and saying that he is right in what he says. As if it takes more than half a brain cell to have the same conclusion. And even with that half a brain cell it wouldn't take 7 years and multi millions of dollars to come to that conclusion.

What CQ is doing to me, and which a lot of people are blindly and full of bias praise is acting like a spoiled little girl = Nagging, crying, throwing a fit, and making a scene. Instead of acting like a highly paid, experienced professional (although you might ask yourself whether that works in Iran or not).

And we are defending that with a straight face arguing that it is the only thing that he can do. Well hell no, it's not! And with that logic, acting like a spoiled little girl when a little girl doesn't get what she wants is also the only thing that she can do. Does that make it ok? if it was we wouldn't call them spoiled little brats would we?

Even assuming that it is the only thing that CQ can do (in which case we are wasting our money), is it OK for him to do so. I guess it depends on your standards as it's a opinion.


He didn't have to give the domestic players any playing time for anyone to see that there's a difference between them and our legionnaires (if anyone needed that to understand it they must quit breathing for a minute or 3 right now).

To me what he is doing is creating excuses for his failure (and that is probability, however small, that Suadis will start calling us 9-0ers after the games with Spain and Portugal). He either will later blame the bad result on IFF and say see I said so or in case of a miracle he will say see my warnings helped.

Either way this NOT a mature way of working. You do this tomorrow at your office see if they will extend your contract.

Again what did he achieve by acting like a spoiled little brat? Is he going to make our players even 20% better in the next 40 days if he gets what he wants (if anyone reads this and this yes, please fight the urge to reply as it is an impossible thing and you only embarrass yourself).

He, just like any other National Head Coach has one thing to do: do your best with the material, facilities and possibilities you have been provided and stop embarrassing the federation and country that is paying you richly during every interview.

But then again I very well may be wrong.........

[Bi-honar]

Completely agreed! But then again....CQ has been in Iran for around 7 years. He already knew about all this. Why didn't he do anything to fix the problem earlier? A coach as professional as him, should have known training one day per week was not gonna cut it for these players.

He couldn't really do much bro... fitness is a 3 month thing, not a long term issue. If he worked with them for 7 years non-stop and left them alone for 3 months, they would end up in worse shape than what's going to happen now.

Plus, you don't want to commit to 100-200 players in a 7 year period for fitness training when only 20+ are going to the world cup and you won't know that until the last minute.

It's not like the guys are in a wheelchairs... they're fit but just not at the level they need to be for the WC... considering he did wonders in 3 months last time around, I think it can be done again.

[O-ZoNe]

He couldn't really do much bro... fitness is a 3 month thing, not a long term issue. If he worked with them for 7 years non-stop and left them alone for 3 months, they would end up in worse shape than what's going to happen now.

Plus, you don't want to commit to 100-200 players in a 7 year period for fitness training when only 20+ are going to the world cup and you won't know that until the last minute.

It's not like the guys are in a wheelchairs... they're fit but just not at the level they need to be for the WC... considering he did wonders in 3 months last time around, I think it can be done again.

All of this is fine and dandy. And I hope you are right and he gets them to the WC level he feels is needed.

What I dislike about CQ and always have is the contradictory language and public airing of every grievance. It's free ammunition to teams that play us who might adapt tactics just to out muscle and out run us come WC time. Why make the opposition's homework easier? I get he is working with IFF and who knows...maybe he is diverting and fooling our opponents but to me silence speaks louder and installs more fear in our opponents. At this stage in the game just months from WC I see no point in such public airing of our weaknesses.

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[Bi-honar]

All of this is fine and dandy. And I hope you are right and he gets them to the WC level he feels is needed.

What I dislike about CQ and always have is the contradictory language and public airing of every grievance. It's free ammunition to teams that play us who might adapt tactics just to out muscle and out run us come WC time. Why make the opposition's homework easier? I get he is working with IFF and who knows...maybe he is diverting and fooling our opponents but to me silence speaks louder and installs more fear in our opponents. At this stage in the game just months from WC I see no point in such public airing of our weaknesses.

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You know there are few on this board that would agree with you more than me on these points.

I sense that he was a bit nostalgic after the qualification, as we all were and after some criticism from the media [some quite rightly] about the quality of our friendlies and his response in the Sierra Leone post-match conference that "I'm happy, the boys are happy, everyone should be happy" he had a real bad wake up call after two less than ideal performances.

I do think he's recognizing that he has a major problem on his hand and in this one instance he really didn't have any choice but to go public with the need for serious training. Because at the end of the team, this decision involves a lot of people. And he knows that he's going to be under the microscope and must deliver.

And all of that, extra training, more fitness and the extra incentive for CQ to deliver does bode well for TM which is a good thing IMHO.

[O-ZoNe]

You know there are few on this board that would agree with you more than me on these points.

I sense that he was a bit nostalgic after the qualification, as we all were and after some criticism from the media [some quite rightly] about the quality of our friendlies and his response in the Sierra Leone post-match conference that "I'm happy, the boys are happy, everyone should be happy" he had a real bad wake up call after two less than ideal performances.

I do think he's recognizing that he has a major problem on his hand and in this one instance he really didn't have any choice but to go public with the need for serious training. Because at the end of the team, this decision involves a lot of people. And he knows that he's going to be under the microscope and must deliver.

And all of that, extra training, more fitness and the extra incentive for CQ to deliver does bode well for TM which is a good thing IMHO.

If it comes to fruition. If those extras are not met which is what I would expect with IFF then we are turning a respectable performance into a possible catastrophe. As usual...tense times for TM fans leading up to a major tournament! Could be worse I guess...just ask Argentina fans how they feel lol

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[beri486]

I don't know why CQ wants to stop the league.
He complains about the fitness of IPL players but
he sure knows that 85% of his starting line up are
made up of the players from overseas.

I think Beiranvand, and maybe Hosseini, Ghafouri
and Karimi are the only players from IPL that have
a chance of starting for his team in WC. Maximum 3
out of 11 starters will be from the domestic league and
that includes a keeper.

So his issue with IPL and their level of fitness is a red
herring. He is trying to lower the expectation level of the
fans since he knows our chances are very low in making
the next round as his promised goal was after TM qualified
for WC.

The other point is players like Rezaei and Ansarifard were marginal
players in IPL but became top scorers in the Belgium and Greece leagues
which tells me IPL is not that far behind some of the 2nd and 3rd rate
EU leagues. I don't think the EU clubs did a miracle on their fitness to
get them to that level.

[scuderia]

I don't know why CQ wants to stop the league.
He complains about the fitness of IPL players but
he sure knows that 85% of his starting line up are
made up of the players from overseas.
I think Beiranvand, and maybe Hosseini, Ghafouri
and Karimi are the only players from IPL that have
a chance of starting for his team in WC. Maximum 3
out of 11 starters will be from the domestic league and
that includes a keeper.
So his issue with IPL and their level of fitness is a red
herring. He is trying to lower the expectation level of the
fans since he knows our chances are very low in making
the next round as his promised goal was after TM qualified
for WC.
The other point is players like Rezaei and Ansarifard were marginal
players in IPL but became top scorers in the Belgium and Greece leagues
which tells me IPL is not that far behind some of the 2nd and 3rd rate
EU leagues. I don't think the EU clubs did a miracle on their fitness to
get them to that level.

I disagree, Karim if I'm not mistaken has the record for the most goals scored in the persian gulf pro league in a season. That is definitely not marginal. As for Rezaeian he was PP's best defender when he was playing there!

[Keano]

Keano jan, maybe I'm mistaken. It wouldn't be the first time
But my blind neighbor's grandmother who doesn't know what football is and that doesn't know that Asia is a continent and not another name for China also knows that our players (the majority to some extent) do not have:
- the required stamina,
- basic technique (receiving balls, passing, shooting, turning, etc.),
- tactical knowledge,
- ability to read fast pace games,
- stay cool under pressure,
- professional attitude (Hashemian, Kia, JB, etc aside)
- etc.
- etc.
- etc.
Our players most of the time do what they do and achieve what they achieve based on their God given talents, "gheyrat" and "ab goosht".
However, what you also can call this and people who defend CQ blindly is: being hypocrites and applying double standards.
He knew this for the last 7 years, what did he do (not so much he could do). We knew this since WC 1974 (nothing has changed, yes there are advantages as there's always improvements whether you want or not but compare it to Japan, Korea, Turkey, Belgium, etc.).
When Karimi started criticizing IFF everyone was on the bandwagon of insulting him and saying that he shouldn't create "hashiye" so close to the World Cup games.
When CQ does it everyone is full of praise and saying that he is right in what he says. As if it takes more than half a brain cell to have the same conclusion. And even with that half a brain cell it wouldn't take 7 years and multi millions of dollars to come to that conclusion.
What CQ is doing to me, and which a lot of people are blindly and full of bias praise is acting like a spoiled little girl = Nagging, crying, throwing a fit, and making a scene. Instead of acting like a highly paid, experienced professional (although you might ask yourself whether that works in Iran or not).
And we are defending that with a straight face arguing that it is the only thing that he can do. Well hell no, it's not! And with that logic, acting like a spoiled little girl when a little girl doesn't get what she wants is also the only thing that she can do. Does that make it ok? if it was we wouldn't call them spoiled little brats would we?
Even assuming that it is the only thing that CQ can do (in which case we are wasting our money), is it OK for him to do so. I guess it depends on your standards as it's a opinion.
He didn't have to give the domestic players any playing time for anyone to see that there's a difference between them and our legionnaires (if anyone needed that to understand it they must quit breathing for a minute or 3 right now).
To me what he is doing is creating excuses for his failure (and that is probability, however small, that Suadis will start calling us 9-0ers after the games with Spain and Portugal). He either will later blame the bad result on IFF and say see I said so or in case of a miracle he will say see my warnings helped.
Either way this NOT a mature way of working. You do this tomorrow at your office see if they will extend your contract.
Again what did he achieve by acting like a spoiled little brat? Is he going to make our players even 20% better in the next 40 days if he gets what he wants (if anyone reads this and this yes, please fight the urge to reply as it is an impossible thing and you only embarrass yourself).
He, just like any other National Head Coach has one thing to do: do your best with the material, facilities and possibilities you have been provided and stop embarrassing the federation and country that is paying you richly during every interview.
But then again I very well may be wrong.........

Babak jaan, sorry I am not a fan of writing lengthy posts, but you wrote lengthy and I will reply in length. I doubt we qualified 2 back-to-back WCs at ease and in style only based on our players raw and "God-given" talent. There was way more into it. Our 2010 WCQ team perhaps had more talent than the current TM, however we failed miserably to even snatch the 3rd. spot in our group stage which included, South Korea, North Korea, and KSA. So merely God-given talent will not automatically qualify you to 2 back-to-back World Cups!

Just because I and many of us who criticized Karimi's behavior while supporting CQ's sentiments doesn't necessarily make us "hypocrites" as you put. No one in here criticized Karimi for his anti-IFF argument. On the contrary all of us looooooove whomever standing against the IFF and the IR. We ticked us off was Karimi's continuous shot at CQ, to that extent that the man is still rambling like a kid over everything surrounding CQ, to that extent that he has totally given up on his anti-IFF sentiments and solely aims at CQ (Oghe)

Yes he knew for 7 years and he has single-handedly fought the IFF and IR to the best of his ability, hence getting pretty much everything he has wanted, to name a few: Building the most luxurious TM camp for the first time ever in our history, getting the most number of TM friendlies ever since the pathetic Islamic revolution, creating the best defense we have ever had in our football history, qualifying to WC 3 matches prior to the end of the qualifiers, constantly inviting young talents and giving them opportunities to play and shine, forcing the IFF to drop the low quality kits etc. All of the above definitely have been the result of his relentless complaints and demands or as you repeatedly put "spoiled little girl nagging" Oh and he does act like a highly paid manager who knows how to deliver and actually has been delivering. So not sure what exactly it is that you need him to achieve? Beating the crap our of Portugal and Spain or...

Yes we are full of praise on pretty much everything he says, because most of it benefits us and our TM. Also because he is the first TM coach ever to stand strong against the whole system fighting for his (Our) team. And we see it paying off, so why shouldn't we stand behind him? We have seen enough of the likes of those with little tiny balls who always failed.

What CQ is doing to me, and which a lot of people are blindly and full of bias praise is acting like a spoiled little girl = Nagging, crying, throwing a fit, and making a scene. Instead of acting like a highly paid, experienced professional (although you might ask yourself whether that works in Iran or not).
And we are defending that with a straight face arguing that it is the only thing that he can do. Well hell no, it's not! And with that logic, acting like a spoiled little girl when a little girl doesn't get what she wants is also the only thing that she can do. Does that make it ok? if it was we wouldn't call them spoiled little brats would we?

I don't honestly know where and how to start replying to the above quote, very unlikely of a highly respected and knowledgeable like you to present an argument in such awkward fashion. Suffice to say that well, that little brat, that little girl got what she wanted for the outcome has made millions of Iranians happy. He is smart enough to know that with IFF the best way to get what you and your team wants is to be persistent while possessing a huge pair of balls. Name one of his demands that has ended damaging our football and in particular TM!

He didn't have to give the domestic players any playing time for anyone to see that there's a difference between them and our legionnaires (if anyone needed that to understand it they must quit breathing for a minute or 3 right now).

Oh trust me he had to, and trust me there are millions who just realized and addressed the issues and the difference. Not everyone is a football expert like you Babak jaan. Do not underestimate the shallowness of masses like that!

To me what he is doing is creating excuses for his failure (and that is probability, however small, that Suadis will start calling us 9-0ers after the games with Spain and Portugal). He either will later blame the bad result on IFF and say see I said so or in case of a miracle he will say see my warnings helped.

Does he really need to bring excuses for possible beatings by these 2 teams though? Let's get realistic here

Either way this NOT a mature way of working. You do this tomorrow at your office see if they will extend your contract.

Do you really know of a mature way to work with IFF and in general the whole system in Iran that actually works and pays off?

Again what did he achieve by acting like a spoiled little brat? Is he going to make our players even 20% better in the next 40 days if he gets what he wants (if anyone reads this and this yes, please fight the urge to reply as it is an impossible thing and you only embarrass yourself).

I think we know what he has achieved. I can tell you that 40 days is fair enough time to improve conditioning and fitness, maybe not much, but still little is better than non. And no I did not embarrass myself by saying this as I have been somewhat athletic all my life.

Nonetheless what's his interest is and should be in the best of our interests. He succeeds with TM, we succeed and makes us all proud as a nation!

[tooleh khers]

Absolutely agree with Cq on this one. Stamina and fitness is the only hope and chance we have and it does not look good for us. My only problem is this should have been implemented already from the beginning of this ipl season and Cq doesn't have to run to IFF making ultimatums every time. He can actually meet with IPL coaches respectfully and have them over see special training and diets for national team players. There could be compromises.

A big part of the responsibility falls on players shoulders as well. If you are playing in the world cup for Iran you should take it upon yourself to get in the best shape of your life if not for your country for your own career. Rolando still trains and works harder than any of our players. Why do our players need to be babysat all the time? where is the professionalism and intelligence to understand the value of this opportunity?

IFF are incompetent too. This year their planing and calendar should have focused on the national team. Most of, if not all our clubs are government owned anyways who cares if they cant have so and so player playing every game?