Why Jalal Hosseini was dropped?

[Ando Teymourian]

^ blablabla..... And when we are defending the decision to cut a younger player and keep an over the hill player (Gucci for example) we say he isn't tested on higher levels, will lose his head under stress and it's experience that counts during tournaments..... Blablabla

You are seeing everything in black and white.

You are implying that if CQ was telling the truth, then Gucci should have been cut for Kaveh because of the age factor as well. Way to black and white.

The reasons why Hosseini is dropped are not the criteria used for keeping Gucci vs Kaveh. First of all Gucci is not 36. So already what you are saying is not logically sound.

This is not Football Manager. The goal is to create the most balanced team possible for your World Cup. A CB duo of Montazeri-PAG, or Montazeri - M.Hosseini or M.Hosseini - PAG seems perfectly balanced and capable to me.

We all love Jalal and of course it hurts to be cut at the final moments... but if we build teams based on players we love, then lets bring back Nekou as well.

And this is all assuming Jalal is not called back from the standby list, which I think is perfectly possible before the world cup.

[DR Strangemoosh]

.. but if we build teams based on players we love, then lets bring back Nekou as well.
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Agha, I acknowledge your post and your logic with the Gucci-Kaveh argument but I wanted to disagree with this point. Many of us feel that it isn't a case of loving Jalal but that he is still the best CB for TM, whereas Nekounam was getting slower and losing his game-reading abilities and we needed to give the next generation a chance because there were better options towards the very end of his playing career. I still feel that Jalal is better and more consistent than the next generation even at 36.

Assuming he doesn't make the cut from the standby list, I could be completely wrong and I really hope I am.

[Saam]

Agha, I acknowledge your post and your logic with the Gucci-Kaveh argument but I wanted to disagree with this point. Many of us feel that it isn't a case of loving Jalal but that he is still the best CB for TM, whereas Nekounam was getting slower and losing his game-reading abilities and we needed to give the next generation a chance because there were better options towards the very end of his playing career. I still feel that Jalal is better and more consistent than the next generation even at 36.

Assuming he doesn't make the cut from the standby list, I could be completely wrong and I really hope I am.

I disagree. He's way too slow for the pace of Spain and Morocco's offense. They play quick passes and have explosive offensive players. I can imagine him conceding a penalty from someone like Isco or Nordin Amrabat running into the box. Not to say that Cheshmi is much better but I would be comfortable with PAG and Majid Hosseini.

[rdwrrr]

You are seeing everything in black and white.

You are implying that if CQ was telling the truth, then Gucci should have been cut for Kaveh because of the age factor as well. Way to black and white.

The reasons why Hosseini is dropped are not the criteria used for keeping Gucci vs Kaveh. First of all Gucci is not 36. So already what you are saying is not logically sound.

This is not Football Manager. The goal is to create the most balanced team possible for your World Cup. A CB duo of Montazeri-PAG, or Montazeri - M.Hosseini or M.Hosseini - PAG seems perfectly balanced and capable to me.

We all love Jalal and of course it hurts to be cut at the final moments... but if we build teams based on players we love, then lets bring back Nekou as well.

And this is all assuming Jalal is not called back from the standby list, which I think is perfectly possible before the world cup.

Are the standby players traveling with main team for prep games?

[arvin_guzoo]

Again look at Jalal, from what i can tell he has posted no BS on social media regarding his exclusion.

Look at this wonderful man who has given his all for TM in the past few years.

Iran is truly a dark horse in this tournament. One of the best managers in the world, with the talent pool of a football crazy x-factor nation. I've said this before but 2018 is our year, idc who is in our group.

[Sam van Dam]

you guys think he got injured? i just watch highlights of the game and there seems to be a collision at the end of the game with hosseini and an uzbek player in the penalty area. afterwards CQ was giving the ref an earful. it did not watch the game, only highlights. but it could be the reason he is on stand by because the injury could only be a minor one and CQ doesn't want to announce it so he says he's getting old? lol

[ehsan singapore]

I’m hoping CQ will have an interview on Navad soon to cover some of these questions regarding Jalal, Vouria, etc

that is not happening....he wont be back to iran after the world cup.

[ehsan singapore]

If Jalal Hosseini was out of gas in the final game against Bosnia 4 YEARS ago, then how would it be now against Spain and Portugal?

I think that CQ has learnt from his past mistakes actually. Football is still a sport and the survival of the fittest, not the ones with most experience.

if you can run like a horse for 120 min, with hard teamwork you can recover from mistake, but if a player is slow, once he make a mistake is dangerous. for CQ is better to have young player who will run like a horse than a seyed jalal who has experience but tend to make mistake

[ehsan singapore]

Since when hosseini was maldini?
Legend of Asia but old and slow on the international side. Put your feelings aside its cq who has to make the tough decisions

hoseni does make mistakes, and getting to world cup for defenders is a combination of speed, agility,fitness, and experience. beside experience seyed jalal has none. younger players are more hungry, will be more driven and will try 110% for them self and the coach

[ehsan singapore]

^ blablabla..... And when we are defending the decision to cut a younger player and keep an over the hill player (Gucci for example) we say he isn't tested on higher levels, will lose his head under stress and it's experience that counts during tournaments..... Blablabla

what you mean over the hill?i agree gucci is not what he used to be, but our forward is a different issue over all, karim has lost CQ trust , hence he is moved to midfield, kaveh have been tested in TM, and it seems he has not deliever for TM, azmoun is the main guy, and gucci is selected because he can hold the ball well and follow the tactics. while we need experience in attack, defense we can have younger, cause we have more options, and CQ trust them more, unlike forwards who he only trust 2 forwards.

[ehsan singapore]

you guys think he got injured? i just watch highlights of the game and there seems to be a collision at the end of the game with hosseini and an uzbek player in the penalty area. afterwards CQ was giving the ref an earful. it did not watch the game, only highlights. but it could be the reason he is on stand by because the injury could only be a minor one and CQ doesn't want to announce it so he says he's getting old? lol

i dont think so, cause if he was injured, CQ would have told the media like ali karimi case where he told the media he miss the world cup due to injury.

[krol]

As I said in another thread:

Hosseini has been a rock for Perspolis in the domestic and Asian leagues, that's very true. But we're not going up against Padideh and Al-Sad in the World Cup. We're facing three high pressure matches in a short span, two of them against attacking lineups comparable to those of Brazil and Argentina, with fitness and conditioning second to none. Now consider that four years ago, by the third match most of our team including Hosseini had run out of gas. What makes you think he would be in better shape against arguably tougher competition now that he's four years older??... If he was out of gas by the Bosnia match as a 32 year old, what makes you think he'll fare better against Portugal as a 36 year old?...

And one more thing in response to some of the childish arguments comparing the inclusion of "over the hill" Gucci to Hosseini. First off, Gucci is 30, Hosseini is 36. Those six years are a lifetime in football. Second, these two are picked for completely different roles which makes Hosseini's age much more relevant. Gucci is basically there as an experienced, opportunist backup forward to come in late when we desperately need a goal. Hosseini's job by contrast, would have been to mark the likes of Ronaldo and Diego Costa for 90 minutes! As much as I respect Jalal for his accomplishments, I don't think that at 36 he would be able to keep up with Ronaldo and company after two back to back games against Morocco and Spain.

I remind you once again: CQ SEES THESE GUYS IN PRACTICE AND WE DON'T. And he's earned enough capital in the last seven years for us to trust his judgment.

[Kavian]

Jalal is a great defender but lately he hasn't even been a permanent fixture in his own club.

[BacheLot]

lmao..!! only in iran

BIG LOL. Kar be Majles keshide shod . How the hell is even possible to work in this environment.

پیگیری دلایل حذف وریا غفوری از تیم ملی در مجلس/ مدیرکل کردستان: تعجب کردیم

آخرین تمرین تیم ملی فوتبال پیش از بازی با ازبکستان
در پی انتشار لیست بازیکنان تیم ملی برای جام جهانی و حذف نام "وریا غفوری" و "سیدجلال حسینی" از این لیست، انتقادات زیادی از این اقدام کی*روش مطرح شده است. در تازه*ترین اتفاق مدیر کل ورزش و جوانان استان کردستان از پیگیری موضوع با نمایندگان مجلس خبر داده است.

حامد جولایی در گفت*وگو با ایسنا در این باره اظهار کرد: خط خوردن وریا غفوری جامعه ورزشی را شوکه کرده و بر همین اساس برای دلیل این امر، پیگیری های لازم با مسئولین استان و نمایندگان مجلس انجام شده است.

وی با اشاره به اینکه هنوز به طور قطعی غفوری از تیم ملی خط نخورده، گفت: وریا غفوری به همراه چند بازیکن دیگر در لیست انتظار سرمربی هستند و امیدوارم با پیگیری هایی که انجام خواهیم داد وی دوباره به تیم ملی بازگردد.

مدیر کل ورزش و جوانان استان کردستان در ادامه با بیان این مهم که دلیل این امر هنوز برای هیچکس مشخص نیست، عنوان کرد: وریا غفوری در این مدت بازی*های خوبی در قالب تیم ملی انجام داده و در حال حاضر در لیگ قهرمانان آسیا حضور دارد و اینکه بدون دلیل از تیم ملی حذف شود جای تعجب دارد.

جولایی با اشاره به اینکه همیشه سرمربی تیم ملی از بازیهای خوب غفوری تعریف کرده، یادآور شد: با توجه به شرایط فعلی این حس را داریم که سید جلال حسینی و وریا غفوری دوباره به بدنه تیم ملی اضافه شوند و امیدواریم با پیگیری های همه جانبه این مهم اجرایی شود.

هم*چنین بیژن ذوالفقار نسب کارشناس و پیشکسوت فوتبال کشور، در خصوص حذف وریا غفوری به ایسنا، گفت: در بعضی مواقع مربی در یک پست با ترافیک بازیکن مواجه می شود و این انتظار می رود به تعدادی از این بازیکن ها استراحت بدهد.

وی که سابقه حضور در جام جهانی را در کارنامه خود دارد، ذکر کرد: وریا غفوری و سید جلال حسینی بازیکن های شاخص این کشور هستند و خط زدن این دو نفر کاملا تعجب برانگیز است.

وی اظهار کرد: اعتقاد بنده و سایر کارشناسان این است که این دو نفر در بازی آینده تیم ملی که با یونان برگزار می شود، حضور پیدا خواهند کرد.

این پیشکسوت باسابقه فوتبال کشور در ادامه افزود: بازیکن کردستانی تیم ملی فوتبال به همراه چند تن از بازیکنان دیگر در لیست استند بای (انتظار) حضور دارد و فعلا به طور قطعی از لیست نهایی که در 14 خرداد اعلام می شود حذف نشده*اند.

ذوالفقار نسب با اشاره به اینکه وریا غفوری و سید جلال حسینی تقریبا از سن بالایی برخوردار هستند، اظهار کرد: پیش بینی می شود که با توجه به اینکه در آستانه مسابقات جام جهانی فشارهای تمریناتی و مسابقات بسیار بالا است، شاید سرمربی تیم ملی با کنار گذاشتن این دو نفر از بازی با ترکیه خواسته است که استراحتی به آنها داده باشد تا با آمادگی لازم در جام جهانی حضور پیداکنند.

وی در پایان یادآور شد: اگر وریا غفوری و سید جلال حسینی مشکل انضباطی یا بحث خاصی نداشته باشند به احتمال زیاد دوباره به تیم ملی دعوت خواهند شد.

https://www.isna.ir/news/97023117124...کردستان

[Malkay]

It's interesting how everyone is shocked about his exclusion, including myself... but if you dig deeper over the last 18 months, the signs were there.

2017 Competitive fixtures:
Qatar - DID NOT PLAY
China - DID NOT PLAY
Uzbekistan - 90 mins
Korea - DID NOT PLAY
Syria - DID NOT PLAY

2017 Friendly fixtures:
Montenegro - NOT IN SQUAD
Togo - 15 mins (sub)
Russia - 90 mins
Panama - 23 mins (sub)
Venezuela - 61 mins

2018 Friendly fixtures:
Sierra Leone - DID NOT PLAY
Tunisia - DID NOT PLAY
Algeria - DID NOT PLAY
Uzbekistan - 45 mins (sub)