Carlos Queiroz In or Carlos Queiroz Out?

[tooleh khers]

I would say in but conditional on Asian Cup performance. IFF is incompetent not to have dated the contract until after the Asian Cup. We should not be negotiating a 4 year term now just because we want to have continuity of a well performing coach so far for the Asian Cup in 6-7 months. IFF is to blame for not including the Asian Cup in their original term.

[Pedram123]

Anger can be released in all of us - We are humans after all.
However what Babak says is completely true.
We as a nation cannot stand opposing views.
For example in Denmark we have DF (immigrant haters) and Enhedslisten (Socialist, communists) and they are seen in tv show beside each other arguing and discussing.
Can you imagine such a thing in Iran? People would be throwing chairs and fighting over each other spouting personal and insulting comments.
This is an Iranian societal problem. Figures are either seen as a God or detested like the Devil. There is no inbetween.
I believe we should try to solve this societal problem, starting with this forum.

I'm new here so have neutral and unbiased eyes to look at things.

It seems to me this is the classic case of an angry person calling everyone else angry when they are the only one annoyed.

When I read this forum, I was struck by the respect there is. Forums are a cesspool for insecure people to argue at each other because they have such low self-esteem that they can't accept someone having different views, but here I see people respectfully disagreeing. Here I even see people reply "you make a good point" or "I see what you're saying" or giving "thanks" for a 'rebuttal'. Go anywhere else and it's "LOL you're so stupid", "SJW", "haters", "snowflake" etc.

I tend to skip over long posts of arguments, but I've only seen one big argument, don't even know if it was nasty or respectful.

There's idiots and 'religious' nuts everywhere, but not seen it play a part on this forum. Iranians and perhaps Middle Easterners in general are stereotypically friendly, but boisterous and loud in discussion, and that's all I've seen here. That doesn't mean we're not going to see some old farts burning a flag on TV for no reason other than to hurt the image of millions of their people, but that doesn't exactly happen here.

As for the coach... Queiroz is a rarity. He's adaptable and been around the world, often with success and a very good record internationally. Get rid of him, and like I said at the start of the thread, your options are oddball mercenaries who can't get a job who have an even worse record of falling out with everyone (Domenech, Matthaus), or an Iranian coach who may have never been outside of Iran.

CQ could be the most unprofessional person in the world, but evidently it hasn't harmed Iran's chances so far. Came together and won the last 3 games of 2014 qualifying, came together and got a point and nearly another (or 3) against ARGENTINA, knocked out by penalties after a controversial red card in an Asian Cup others underperformed at, and now qualified unbeaten with 0 goals conceded in 9 games in the final group. Have you sat back and thought about how impressive and rare that is, let alone with Iran? Some of us have been spoilt, because if you predicted that in 2010 you'd be called crazy.

Not even considering all the players he's convinced to join the team, who refused to or wouldn't have before/after he was coach.

[The]

wanna bet ??
Greece, Egypt, Algeria and Morocco are not countries under heavy sanctions, and are not isolated from the rest of the world. Prior to CQ, we were happy to get 3rd rate eastern europeans to accept a job working for an incompetent and corrupt IFF. With CQ, you have a legitimate European coach who has actually coached respectable, if not great national teams. He has taken us to back-to-back WCs, AND, he knows the Iranian system. I sure as hell don't want to go back to the days of pulling our hair thinking why in god's name does an idiot like GN start Khatibi and Enayati, and have Hashemian sit on the bench. Look at the current lineup.
I would give him a 4 year extension and not even give it a second thought.

My man, there are African countries with never-ending civil wars and none existent infrastructure that get coaches on CQ's level. I'm not saying Iran is heaven, but If you pay people enough, they will put up with any crap.

Ivory Coast had good coaches while in middle of a civil war, Mexico with coaches while in middle of drug war as deadly as the Afghan civil war, Algeria managed to get good coaches while dealing with Islamist insurgency,etc...

[scuderia]

https://scontent.fymq2-1.fna.fbcdn.n...0c&oe=5B8BF977

just look at this... do you guys ever remember seeing TM like this together. You can't dislike CQ. It's impossible!

[The]

https://scontent.fymq2-1.fna.fbcdn.n...0c&oe=5B8BF977
just look at this... do you guys ever remember seeing TM like this together. You can't dislike CQ. It's impossible!

Posing on for a photo? No I can't ever recall team melli players smiling for a photo.

[persian_parsa]

Yes Carlos Quieroz has flaws, yes he's not perfect, but he's the best we've ever had in Iran. The absolute best. And that's simply why almost everyone will vote yes.

I will look past some of his maybe somewhat foolish arguing with Ali Karimi or person x or person z, because at the end of the day, he puts so much effort, passion, and love into making team melli the best it can be. And that's all I can ask for.

When he eventually leaves, he will be very hard to replace.

[KeonKish]

My man, there are African countries with never-ending civil wars and none existent infrastructure that get coaches on CQ's level. I'm not saying Iran is heaven, but If you pay people enough, they will put up with any crap.

Ivory Coast had good coaches while in middle of a civil war, Mexico with coaches while in middle of drug war as deadly as the Afghan civil war, Algeria managed to get good coaches while dealing with Islamist insurgency,etc...

I’m sorry but the Mexican drug war is nothing like Afghanistan.

I have a constant presence in Mexico and the majority of violence is between the cartels for turf, IE it is not typically affecting civilians.

Most of it also happens on highways and trafficking routes.




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[Surenas]

Just because someone holds an opinion that is controversial does not make it relevant for a long time. "Look at me, I have a controversial position", but do you really have to argue about that?
Anyone who does not want to recognize CQ's achievements has forgotten the days when they had to shiver in front of Bahrain when TM played headless when TM was defensively an amateur team.
CQ has stabilized our team, made our defensive the best in Asia, defended well even at the World Cup and was never in danger at the Asian Cup until Pooladi decided "I fuck this up". Anyone who says any other third-rate Iranian coach has done it or Iran was a force in Asia even without CQ seems to forget that we were completely inconsistent! South Korea never won against us since Queiroz is here.
Apart from the 0-0 in the meaningless game of the World Cup qualifiers, we have defeated in four consecutive matches South Korea, whether in Iran or Korea. We only lost 9 games out of 76 under CQ.
Our last competitive defeat was, if you forgot, was the game against Bosnia at the 2014 World Cup, our last real defeat since the Tunisia game was 3-1 against Sweden 2015, which means we had not lost in nearly three years.
CQ gets an average of 2.12 points per game. Teams like Germany (2.19), France (2.01), Italy (2.01), etc., have a quota like this. Since CQ, we are as dominant in Asia as the mentioned teams, that's not a given, but you do as if this were the most normal thing in the world!
We play a solid and good football, with passion, our team is tactically top, at European level, we never had this level, in former times we were only supported by strong single player performances.
Had we had such a coach during our Golden Age (Daei, Azizi, Mahdavikia, Bagheri), we would have taken Asia apart, and at the World Cup we would probably have been far more successful. If you guys do not want to accept all this, you either want attention or you have little idea about the game.

[persian-eagle-13]

I say YES just for CQ standing up against the dal'llas and clown in iran football! it is money well spent!

[The]

I’m sorry but the Mexican drug war is nothing like Afghanistan.

I have a constant presence in Mexico and the majority of violence is between the cartels for turf, IE it is not typically affecting civilians.

Most of it also happens on highways and trafficking routes.


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Currently, the Mexican drug war is statistically as deadly as Afghan civil war. There might be pockets of safe places in Mexico, but murder, kidnapping, sexual violence aren't just isolated scenarios.

[RaginG Inferno]

Currently, the Mexican drug war is statistically as deadly as Afghan civil war. There might be pockets of safe places in Mexico, but murder, kidnapping, sexual violence aren't just isolated scenarios.

The rate in Mexico is much, much lower though.

The raw gross numbers may be similar, but that's because Mexico's population is a large multiple of Afghanistan's.

E.g. if a country has a population of 2 mil, and 1 mil are killed, that's a really perilous country. If a country has a population of 1 bil and 1 mil are killed, that's not so dangerous...

[KeonKish]

Carlos Queiroz In or Carlos Queiroz Out?

Currently, the Mexican drug war is statistically as deadly as Afghan civil war. There might be pockets of safe places in Mexico, but murder, kidnapping, sexual violence aren't just isolated scenarios.

Like I said, your understanding of Mexico while having never spent lots of time there is equivalent to an American persons opinion on life in Iran.

Basically worthless.

Most of these crimes occur between the gangs and people affiliated with them.

I’m not saying Mexico is not dangerous at all, but it’s very silly to compare it with Afghanistan.

Out of the almost 30 states of Mexico, there’s only like 4 that most Mexicans would consider dangerous, non of which have large populations.

Which are Guerrero, Michoacán, Sinaloa and Tamaulipas.

I literally chill every week in a city that’s considered “statistically dangerous”




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[Karimi 8]

Not sure why people are talking about Mexico but I really hope this is a tactical move and he stays at least until the end of the Asia cup

[The]

The rate in Mexico is much, much lower though.

The raw gross numbers may be similar, but that's because Mexico's population is a large multiple of Afghanistan's.

E.g. if a country has a population of 2 mil, and 1 mil are killed, that's a really perilous country. If a country has a population of 1 bil and 1 mil are killed, that's not so dangerous...

Fair enough.

Like I said, your understanding of Mexico while having never spent lots of time there is equivalent to an American persons opinion on life in Iran.

Basically worthless.

Most of these crimes occur between the gangs and people affiliated with them.

I’m not saying Mexico is not dangerous at all, but it’s very silly to compare it with Afghanistan.

Out of the almost 30 states of Mexico, there’s only like 4 that most Mexicans would consider dangerous, non of which have large populations.

Which are Guerrero, Michoacán, Sinaloa and Tamaulipas.

I literally chill every week in a city that’s considered “statistically dangerous”


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And what you are saying is essentially the same thing as Iranians who visit Iran once a year and say "Oh no, things aren't that bad, I went to parties and we had drinks."
I have friends who moved from mexico over past five years because they are faily well off and fear targeted kidnappings.

Sure most of the violence is between gang members, but their times were civilians are caught in cross-fire.

Anyways, I might have exaggerated a bit, but my point is that Coaches are willing to take jobs in dangerous, and difficult places if you give them the right financial incentives.

[Ari]

I would miss him like hell. He and Team Melli were always something positive out of our Iran. You truly can see how much he is loved by every player and how he loves them.