Carlos Queiroz In or Carlos Queiroz Out?

[Adesor Vafaseya]

Overall, from a chemistry perspective, I cannot think of anyone more suited for us than CQ!


@ Inarsenwetrust. For the third time in this thread, (have a look at the edited/deleted first two posts of yours), pls tune down a bit when discussing. I am on the same side as you on CQ, but I dont call other peoples assesments “stupid” etc etc.


Tks for all respectful discussions all!

[Bi-honar]

CQ has obviously done great things for TM and I hope that he pulls a quasi-miracle in the WC and becomes even more of a legend and sees us through the next Asian Cup and perhaps even more.

But if we don't have a good performance in the World Cup (and I guess I'm leaving that open to some interpretation at this point - more below), I think it will be time to look for someone new who is equally capable to take over after the WC.

A time will come for all teams to change things up a little bit and try something else, whether for us that's it's in the next month or years from now, obviously remains to be seen. Personally, I would consider,

1 - Crashing out with no points or one point a very bad performance - under this scenario, I would definitely prefer for us to have a new capable coach after the WC

2 - Crashing out with 2 points and not getting thrashed by any team would be an acceptable performance because it will be a WC for us with the least losses and the same for crashing out with 3 points even we get thrashed by Spain and/or Portugal - under this scenario, if we can find an equally capable coach, I would rather go that route but if we can't, I would want CQ to stay until the Asian Cup for further evaluation at that point.

3 - Crashing out with 3 points without being thrashed by any team (i.e. not losing any match by a 2+ goal margin) would be a good performance for me and under this scenario, I would definitely want to see CQ stay with TM until at least the Asian Cup.

4 - Obtaining 4 points or more (whether we make it out of the group or not) would be a phenomenal performance for me and not only should CQ stay with the team, he should receive a hero's welcome returning to Tehran and of course the same goes for any performance better that this which is what I'm hoping.

[MR.ESTESNAII]

120% out for sure

[Pedram123]

For me our 2014 world cup results were not sufficient. (1 point) Perhaps even Iranian coaches could have gotten us that result.


Many people here seem to go on about results when discussing positive attributes to CQ rather than performance (except for when the results are not in their favor ie. 2014 world cup) so i will do the same.

If we don't get 3 points off Morrocco, i would like to see another head coach. I would still like for CQ to be assistant trainer but it probably does not pay enough and with his resume and cockiness he almost guaranteed would not accept such a position.

7 years as a national coach in Iran is the longest anyone has been (correct me if i am wrong) and even without the right infrastructure and structure, we must expect to see some kind of results internatonally at this point, especially when we are viewed as the best asian team.

[OzzyOscy]

7 years as a national coach in Iran is the longest anyone has been (correct me if i am wrong)

Only the very first manager in the 1940s has been in charge longer. He was there for either 8 or 10 years.

[sirvan]

For me our 2014 world cup results were not sufficient. (1 point) Perhaps even Iranian coaches could have gotten us that result.


Many people here seem to go on about results when discussing positive attributes to CQ rather than performance (except for when the results are not in their favor ie. 2014 world cup) so i will do the same.

If we don't get 3 points off Morrocco, i would like to see another head coach. I would still like for CQ to be assistant trainer but it probably does not pay enough and with his resume and cockiness he almost guaranteed would not accept such a position.

7 years as a national coach in Iran is the longest anyone has been (correct me if i am wrong) and even without the right infrastructure and structure, we must expect to see some kind of results internatonally at this point, especially when we are viewed as the best asian team.

Iranian coaches would gave gotten us 0 points with that squad, actually with Iranian coaches we would not have qualified for the world cup in the first place. So far no Iranian coach after 1978 has been able to qualify us for a world cup. And that's because Iranian coaches are very incapable. From now on we should only get foreign coaches with a cv similar to CQ! Also for our youth teams, and in due time we will see good Iranian coaches as well.

[ehsan singapore]

Iranian coaches would gave gotten us 0 points with that squad, actually with Iranian coaches we would not have qualified for the world cup in the first place. So far no Iranian coach after 1978 has been able to qualify us for a world cup. And that's because Iranian coaches are very incapable. From now on we should only get foreign coaches with a cv similar to CQ! Also for our youth teams, and in due time we will see good Iranian coaches as well.

that i agree, our tm coaches in iran are not good, and have failed to take iran to world cup. it is also a fact no iranian coach after revolution have taken us to world cup.it is a reality.

[Pedram123]

Iranian coaches would gave gotten us 0 points with that squad, actually with Iranian coaches we would not have qualified for the world cup in the first place. So far no Iranian coach after 1978 has been able to qualify us for a world cup. And that's because Iranian coaches are very incapable. From now on we should only get foreign coaches with a cv similar to CQ! Also for our youth teams, and in due time we will see good Iranian coaches as well.

You speak not with facts but with opinion.
Your second point is true but i have a counter-argument.
Are all Iranian coaches the same ? Most perhaps are of similar quality, but do we not have a few that are maybe a level above the rest? Can you say with 100% certainty they could not achieve 1 point in the 2014 world cup?

[sirvan]

You speak not with facts but with opinion.
Your second point is true but i have a counter-argument.
Are all Iranian coaches the same ? Most perhaps are of similar quality, but do we not have a few that are maybe a level above the rest? Can you say with 100% certainty they could not achieve 1 point in the 2014 world cup?

Yes all Iranian coaches are more or less of the same level with zero knowledge of how modern professional football is played. Furthermore, based on the fact that Iranian coaches are not good enough to qualify us for a world cup in Asia (not Europe or South America), my analysis is thus that they also would not be able to get us one point during a world cup.

Let me see... just how would Ghalenoei and his Iranian colleagues perform in a group with Spain, Portugal and Morocco

[perspolis#1]

Its all fun and games to bash CQ until you are Branko and cant score vs Thailand or you are GN and Mamad Fekri is in the lineup

[Equalizer]

Let me see... just how would Ghalenoei and his Iranian colleagues perform in a group with Spain, Portugal and Morocco

Not only Iranian coaches, but also the likes of Branko would get us 0 point at the WC group stage. CQ has simply spoiled a lot of you guys. Think very carefully about what you wish for.

[Leicester City]

Not only Iranian coaches, but also the likes of Branko would get us 0 point at the WC group stage. CQ has simply spoiled a lot of you guys. Think very carefully about what you wish for.

Its all fun and games to bash CQ until you are Branko and cant score vs Thailand or you are GN and Mamad Fekri is in the lineup

Are we saying this with hindsight though? I'm pretty sure that people thought Branko was the best thing available, before knowing about CQ. We can all agree Branko is better than Iranian coaches, though.

[persian_pooya]

Guys we're beating a dead horse here. But I'll add to why it's a no brainer to keep Carlos Quieroz. He is the best thing that has happened to Iranian football. Why?

1. Because he has encouraged young talented Iranian players to make the jump abroad sooner rather than later.

2. He has brought a never before seen type of discipline, organization, and professionalism to the team. He is the only coach I have been able to watch Iran games with while being mostly relaxed against Asian sides. During every other coache's era we'd literally have to piss ourselves to watch Iran play even the likes of Bahrain and Oman! And again this is due to the professionalism, discipline, and organization he has brought to the team.

3. He has continously pointed out IFF's shortcomings resulting in better training fields, a professional training facility, and better preparations. And he has never succumbed to people trying to bring down teammelli and always pointed out their BS.

4. He took over a national team that was crumbling and revitalized it by bringing in the right new faces, and building the strongest defense Iran has ever had (something we have traditionally struggled with).

5. He has the best record as the head coach of teammelli and has done what no other coach has ever done, qualify us to two back to back world cups.

6. He is the highest caliber coach we have ever had, coaching Real Madrid, Portugal, and being the assistant coach to Sir Alex Ferguson during some of Manchester United's most successful spells as a club. He also has the experience of taking South Africa to the world cup in addition to Portugal and Iran. So he has a wealth of experience and footballing knowledge that has been a blessing for Iranian football. His tacit knowledge of the game is not something you can buy or gain independently. And he is sharing this knowledge everyday with our players and federation which will have lasting positive impacts for our football.

7. He has brought a level of international respect to our football never before seen. I mean he took a team that completely botched the world cup qualifiers for the 2010 world cup to being neck and neck against Argentina which were the eventual finalists of that world cup! Just go back and watch how all the pundits spoke about Iran after that match. From ex pros, to ex coaches, and footballing experts their was unanimous praise for how well Iran played in that match.

8. He believes in the Iranian project and always carries out his work with a longterm plan. He truly believes that Iranian players are some of the most talented in the world, and you can tell he loves our players, culture, and footballing passion. But at the same time he remains realistic. We have been dealt a tough hand this World Cup having both Portugal and Spain in our group. When he says these two country's are 50/60 years ahead of us in football he is saying nothing but the truth. I have been to both Spain and Portugal and visited numerous club team facilities and stadiums to see how much ahead their footballing infrastructure is than ours. For God's sake our league is barely professional! And the biggest difference is how far behind our youth development is. 10/15 years ago none of our club teams even had legitimate youth academies. And today I think there is only a handful (if even) proper youth academies. The only youth academy in Iran currently that is on par with youth academies in country's like Spain or Portugal is Kia Academy recently started by Mahdavikia. So it is ludicrous to get upset when Carlos Quieroz says Iran is 50/60 years behind Spain and Portugal in terms of football. Because the first step to fixing a problem is by first identifying it!

I could keep going with more points, but in conclusion what is important to note here is that you cannot judge Carlos Quieroz solely on the results we got in the 2014 world cup and the results we get in the 2018 world cup. You must look at things holistically and try to understand the net positive gains he has brought and continues to bring for Iranian football. I have no doubt in my mind that he will make us proud again in this world cup, and I truly believe that because of him we have a good chance of finishing second in our group of death!






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[perspolis#1]

Are we saying this with hindsight though? I'm pretty sure that people thought Branko was the best thing available, before knowing about CQ. We can all agree Branko is better than Iranian coaches, though.

Branko had no one outside of his starting XI. He was either not interested having depth or he only played favorites. Branko was also a coward. Guess who CQ would have crossed off the list in 2006?

Ali Daei. The guy who cost us the Mexico game with how useless he was. If Hashemian started next to Borhani instead would have been a different game.

We knew Ivic was better than Branko. Branko's team might have some Croatian midfield possession but his defensive foundation is awful. Think of all the 80+ minute goals we conceded and how weak we were. Or just watch Perspolis's games now where once they get to the final third they have no plan and its just Alipour/Ahmadzadeh trying to dribble 5+ guys and score.

CQ took our subpar 2014 roster(Heydari/Beikzadeh for Karim sake) got them qualified. Now has a better roster partly due to steps he took. I expect him to beat Morocco to keep his job, but damn don't even put the guy in the same league as Branko.

And for GN? His tactics were always clear..

"ALI BEZAN TOO HAVA DONBALESH BODO"

[jahandoost]

Its all fun and games to bash CQ until you are Branko and cant score vs Thailand or you are GN and Mamad Fekri is in the lineup

This.
Lest we forget.