Originally posted by javafa
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relax is all bull shit, cause they want old granpa seyed jalal in and cq dont want him, the momement iran beat morroco all this people will become kaye mal and say ohhh we support team melli bunch of snakes -
I do hear what you're saying bro but IFF has gotten better and it was they who brought in CQ in the 1st place... assuming this was a one time thing and they can never match or beat that fantastic feat ever again, would be a bit presumptuous I think.Originally posted by Sly View PostI agree with you completely about aiming for the stars and we may land on the moon. I think we should definitely try to win all 3 games. and as you say, why can't we be the next Costa Rica or New Zealand? If Costa Rica can do it, so can we! but that's when you say "let's beat the crap out of these teams irrespective of whom they are"! and I agree with that! However when we say "if we lose against them, we have failed".... to me it is not really aiming for the stars but rather putting too much destructive pressure on ourselves. Because while we need to have faith and confidence and try to beat everyone we meet, we also need to be logical about it and realize they are much stronger teams and losing against them for us is not very out of the ordinary.
The reason I say this is because I think keeping or letting go of CQ should not be dependent on the results in this WC. Because remember, only during CQ's reign we have been qualifying to the WC relatively safely! Under all other coaches, we always had ifs or buts and our hearts were always in our throats until we qualified. I do agree with you that if we can find a coach in CQ's quality who is willing to take the job, we could change him. but we know our federation better than anyone else and the chance of that happening is almost zero. So I'd say let's not put a bandage on a head that doesn't hurt
and keep him. That way we will at least be sure that no GN or Mayelikohan will take the job, while we will surely qualify to the next WC! and who knows? Maybe in that WC, we'll be in a better group like Saudi Arabia's and have a better chance of getting more points.
There are literally 10's of thousand of coaches in the world with the UEFA pro coaching license and that number is increasing every year. Nowadays, it's much harder not to find a good quality coach than it to find one - an experienced one may be a different story, but modern tactics are what's driving world football forward.
Lopetegui (Spain's coach) is himself is a perfect example of this... the guy practically had zero experience at non-youth level compared to CQ when he took the helm of Spain (just 2 seasons in a 2nd tiered European league) and look how well he has done - he made Italy and Ventura with all that talent and experience look like amateurs in the return match in Madrid.
All that aside, I don't know what about Morocco makes some of you guys concede the match before it's even played or say that they're such a strong team?!
They only have 3 forwards and between the 3 of them they have a total of 5 caps more than Azmoun by himself and worse yet, the same number of goals combined and two of them are quite old by today's standards for forwards!!!
So, for them beating us would be a huge accomplishment I think. They have some key players, no doubt but if one or two individual players make an unbeatable team, Egypt's going to win this WC!
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Well, the last time people wanted Branko out, these were the replacements in order: Ghalenoei, Ali Daei and Afshin Ghotbi. It took all that plus a failure to qualify to a WC, before a coach like CQ could be selected. and that comes from a federation who once had appointed coaches like Ivic and Blazevic. We get rid of a coach to achieve better, we end up with a bigger failure instead. Isn't that Karma? We get rid of shah and end up with IR! LOL Man that has been our story through out history.Originally posted by Bi-honar View PostI do hear what you're saying bro but IFF has gotten better and it was they who brought in CQ in the 1st place... assuming this was a one time thing and they can never match or beat that fantastic feat ever again, would be a bit presumptuous I think.
There are literally 10's of thousand of coaches in the world with the UEFA pro coaching license and that number is increasing every year. Nowadays, it's much harder not to find a good quality coach than it to find one - an experienced one may be a different story, but modern tactics are what's driving world football forward.
Lopetegui (Spain's coach) is himself is a perfect example of this... the guy practically had zero experience at non-youth level compared to CQ when he took the helm of Spain (just 2 seasons in a 2nd tiered European league) and look how well he has done - he made Italy and Ventura with all that talent and experience look like amateurs in the return match in Madrid.
All that aside, I don't know what about Morocco makes some of you guys concede the match before it's even played or say that they're such a strong team?!
They only have 3 forwards and between the 3 of them they have a total of 5 caps more than Azmoun by himself and worse yet, the same number of goals combined and two of them are quite old by today's standards for forwards!!!
So, for them beating us would be a huge accomplishment I think. They have some key players, no doubt but if one or two individual players make an unbeatable team, Egypt's going to win this WC!
I do agree with you about available coaches with UEFA license. but coaching already professional teams like Spain and Italy (former world champions) is so much different compared to coaching a relatively amateurish Iranian TM/federation. I'm afraid what we need is someone who's not only very experienced but personality-wise strong enough to stand up to IFF and the whole government of Iran, showing his authority. For example, there is no way IR would have allowed an all tattooed player like Dejagah to join TM if someone like CQ was not there to break that barrier. TM wouldn't have had it's own charter plane, bus and training facility it has now. It's all due to CQ pressure. His experience at top level has made the players realize they can even stand up to a player like Messi. I'm afraid Iran needs a coach that has much more than only a UEFA license. We need an experienced warrior and not many of those would accept to work in Iran. The last time, it was Javier Clemente who agreed to be Iran's coach but only if he monitored TM from Spain as he didn't want to move to Iran.
As for Morocco, maybe you are right! Maybe they are not as strong as we think. All I know is that when you look at their squad, they have players in top teams in the world, including in Real Madrid and Juventus. They have hardly players from their own league. All of them play outside and most of them are in La Liga, France, Germany, Belgium, Turkish top teams like Galatasaray and Fenerbace. We can hardly say the same about our players. Plus, when we played against Tunisia, they won with only 1-0 but I thought they were so much better than that. They looked so much more prepared for the WC than we were. The only difference is, the Tunisian players hardly play in such good clubs as the Moroccans do. So it's safe to say Morocco is even a better team than Tunisia. They are not to be taken lightly at all. I wouldn't be surprised if it's rather them, creating an upset and qualifying to the next round ahead of either Spain or Portugal.
Having said that, I still believe in CQ as he's never failed us before. I'm sure we'll have great plans to handle all 3 teams in our group. All I'm saying is, even though we should have high hopes for TM, let's not have too high expectations as all our opponents are very strong. I believe, Argentina-Bosnia-Nigeria, Portugal-Mexico-Angola and Germany-Yugoslavia-USA have all been relatively easier combinations compared to Spain-Portugal-Morocco. If we couldn't get wanted results from those previous combinations (even with relatively better and more experienced players in 2006), how can we expect it now? But we can always hope. and if we fail, let's not throw out the only person who's been the light of our disastrous football during the last 40 years. Let's keep him and hope for a better preparation and a better group next time around.Comment
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If we can't beat them, why don't you want manger change? If we can't Morocco at a group stage, why can we win the Asian Cup considering we are the in best in Asia. So you are telling me the best team in Asia shouldn't be able to win 1 game at least in a group stage?Originally posted by ehsan singapore View Post
The truth is CQ did have 4 years to adjust from the last WC. And he's not going into his first WC to use that as an excuse to not win a match.Comment
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Ozzyoscy
It does not matter bro.
This TM and it’s preparation, has been the best in the last 40 years.
For once Taj and a IFF have done a great job and fufilled every thing CQ has asked for.
CQ is a world class coach and has had this team for 7 years.
We have the talent and experienced players.
So then I ask you why the hell should we not expect to at least beat Morroco ??????
No no no we should.
Stop having this inferior mentality , we need to be warriors and know that we are Iran and despite all the
Problems in the world associated with our nation , we can go to the WC and kick ass.
We must at least get 3 points in our group or the whole think has been a failure.
Long live Iran and it’s soldiers 🇮🇷🇮🇷🇮🇷🇮🇷🇮🇷Comment
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Sarbaz jan, you need to calm down and come down to reality buddy. You sound as if while Iran has had it's best preparation to date, all other teams have been halting their progress, waiting for Iran to come and beat them. Look at the teams Morocco has been facing to prepare for this WC! Granted that we have progressed a lot during these past 7 years with CQ but that is not enough to beat strong teams. You need a good professional league with good coaches in it, a good functioning youth development, playing friendlies with strong teams and much more than that for at least decades to see some sort of results. You can not beat Brazil over night!Originally posted by sarbaz View Post
and yes, I agree with you that you can not have inferior mentality and you need to have faith and be confident. but that only means to have high hopes. To be a warrior as you say, is different to have too high expectations which is not even logical.Comment
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I agree with you but brother Morroco ain’t no Brazil !!!!
In my posts I never said that we should expect to beat Spain and Portugal, did I ? No
But common man not even Morroco ???!!!Comment
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I'd love us to beat Morocco bro. That would be a great achievement. but as I said in my reply to you in the other post, they are by far not a weak team! Have a look at their players and see where they all play. Their preparation has been so much better than ours and to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if they turned out to be the dark horse of this world cup, qualifying to the next round ahead of either Spain or Portugal. They are much better than you think. But again....with CQ and his master mind tactics, we can all hope to be able to beat them. But let's not have too high expectations because if we fail (a high probability), you'd feel as if we've had a disastrous WC which may not necessarily be true.Originally posted by sarbaz View PostComment
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even for 20mil$, IR mullahs who budget and pretty much rule over the IFF's functions, couldnt even fathom buying half the worldwide "good publicity" that often arise from having a lad like CQ spearheading our football in the international scene...!
notwithstanding his undeniably, immense football accomplishments, his long tenure in charge of TM, is also clear testament to the fact that life in Iran isnt anywhere near as backwards and with horrible societal condition as most-all Israeli /western front media "CUNTS" try to portray it to be..!!
like i said, it makes absolutely lil to No sense @all from almost all perspective to deny the man his wish to stay put till 2022..!!
baaghiash hame is hypothetical bs o faghat kose...!!Comment
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I don't disagree with you...Originally posted by sarbaz View Post
But I do want to say this...anyone who argues we should expect to beat anyone has forgotten the lessons of Bahrain. At the same token we should not idolize or fear anyone.
Let us agree to respect all our opponents and fight fight fight on the field of play. None of us want to be embarrassed by an 8-0 score line and all of us would want nothing more than our team to be the champion in every event they participate in!
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Remember RESPECT BEGETS RESPECT & Zob Ahan Comment
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Made up my mind.
This team is too 1-dimensional. Want an attacking coach.
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#CQOutComment
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Name a better option than Queiroz
For me:
1. Vahid Halilhodžić
2. Paul Le Guen
3. Alejandro Sabella
4. Jürgen Klinsmann
5. Winfried SchäferComment
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Not bad, but the IFF's Shortlist:Originally posted by Hoorad View Post
1. Anybody cheap
2. Nobody else
They gave us CQ for 7 years. Like it or not, the economy in Iran is only getting worse. Anyone thinking we will get anything close to the semblance of a professional coach following CQ is dreaming.
I appreciate that you're excited for CQ to leave because you think we can get reputable coaches in Iran easily, Hoorad jan, but that's not the case. The hiring of CQ was the exception, not the rule in TM's coaching history.
If you knew that the real options following CQ are Ali Daei, Schaefer, Bronko, and possibly an unknown like Alexander Nouri, you would be clinging onto dear life for CQ to stay like the rest of us.
CQ is not perfect, and some here may not enjoy his tactics, but he is likely the only coach with a respectable resume we will ever get. We are crazy if we think IFF wants TM to succeed in Russia, as their failure would allow the CQ experiment to end, and for TM to go back to hiring this generation's Mayeli Kohans/Ghalenoeis, if not actually hiring those two guys. The future is dark after CQ leaves, and I think wanting him out faster is not reasonable given this information.
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