Iran vs Turkey Player Ratings | Post Match Discussion

[krol]

Stop acting like you're some type of monk who has reached enlightenment. Your opinion is no more worthy than others.

No one has to be a "monk" to know more than you. They just need basic common sense.

The criticism about CQ trying to force Taremi on the wing and Karim and Masoud out of position is valid because this isn't "just trying things out". He has repeatedly made the same exact error.

Nonsense. Taremi has most often played on the wings for the national team and the results have been far from "erroneous". Karim played out of position in Doha against Qatar and was one of our key players in that win.

You get to "just try things out" when you actually have solid foundation and your players have played together for a long time and gel together. That's not the case for Iran. We don't even know who is starting midfield against Magreb and CQ is getting cute.

According to your bio you were 9 back in 98, so I don't blame you for not knowing when we lost 7-1 to Roma there were clueless armchair analysts screaming the same exact kind of nonsense and cheering when Ivic was fired. History has proven who the real dunces were.

Just stop pretending this has anything to do with your non-existent football knowledge. You're just butt-hurt that an evil foreign Portuguese guy is in charge of the national team. In your bigoted mind having a coach "of your own race" is more important than hiring a world class tactician who has cared and done more for our football than a hundred of his opportunist critics combined. That's what all this crap comes down to.

[Ali Doust]

Im convinced CQ wanted our team to press high to show how weak we can be if we play that way so that no one complains about us parking the bus at the WC.

[JoojehKoobedeh2]

Beiranvand - 7
Rezaeian - 5
Pouraliganji - 6
Cheshmi - 0 even -5 he should leave.
Mohammadi - 6
Hajsafi - 4 He played wrong position
Shojaei - 6
Ansarifard - 3 He played wrong position
Jahanbakhsh - 5 I expected more
Taremi - 4 disapointing
Azmoun - 2
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Ebrahimi - 5
Amiri - 5
Ghoddos - 5
Dejagah - 5
Torabi 3
Gucci - 6 He is way more professional than Azmoun If the Turkish defender didn't handtouch the ball it was a goal. Turkish players stopped him with arm and leg.
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The result would have been better if we used our best central defenders and Ghodos played instead of Hajsafi from the beginning. It reminds me of IVIC time when we played
with wrong players. I have no doubt that Biranvand will start in the world cup. I doubt we play with Cheshmi in CD.

Yeah no Haji Safi is defensive midfielder Now and he was playing that role during the game bro lol

[The]

No one has to be a "monk" to know more than you. They just need basic common sense.

Nonsense. Taremi has most often played on the wings for the national team and the results have been far from "erroneous". Karim played out of position in Doha against Qatar and was one of our key players in that win.

According to your bio you were 9 back in 98, so I don't blame you for not knowing when we lost 7-1 to Roma there were clueless armchair analysts screaming the same exact kind of nonsense and cheering when Ivic was fired. History has proven who the real dunces were.

Just stop pretending this has anything to do with your non-existent football knowledge. You're just butt-hurt that an evil foreign Portuguese guy is in charge of the national team. In your bigoted mind having a coach "of your own race" is more important than hiring a world class tactician who has cared and done more for our football than a hundred of his opportunist critics combined. That's what all this crap comes down to.

Dude, how many times do I have to tell you? My signature is about Political/Social issues. It has nothing to do with football. Matter of fact, my top three candidates to replace Koorosh are all Foreigners (Vahid Halilhodžić, Alejandro Sabella, Paul Le Guen). Also, with exception one goal against Russia, Taremi has been invisible on the LW. He is too slow and his first touch to crappy to play wing.

Double lol at thinking firing Ivic was a travesty. Just look at the dude's career, he was nothing but journeyman that got passed around like a Rental bike.

But we get it, your opinion is awesome and people who disagree are idiots, oh wise sensei.

[Farhad21]

Im convinced CQ wanted our team to press high to show how weak we can be if we play that way so that no one complains about us parking the bus at the WC.

^its more like a minivan this time with osama bin cheshmi and no hosseini, i only trust milad back there thats it

[krol]

Double lol at thinking firing Ivic was a travesty. Just look at the dude's career, he was nothing but journeyman that got passed around like a Rental bike.

There it is

Just as I said. Blissfully clueless

That "journeyman" took that shell of a team destroyed by MK and turned it into one of the most organized and well-conditioned teams we've ever had. The unit he built was the same team that less than a year earlier was getting spanked by Qatar 3-1 and was mauled by Australia before a 15 minute disruption switched off most of the Aussies and helped us pull a miracle out of our rear end. He brought Nader Mohammadkhani out of semi-retirement and turned him into a rock in the heart of our defense. Dismissing the magnificent job he did with that team can only stem from ignorance or bigotry.
There is no other way to say this: You simply have no clue what you're talking about. And stop pretending your prejudice in politics and social issues doesn't spill over into football. It does loud and clear, and it's pathetic.

[Adesor Vafaseya]

krol & The

Cool Down PLZ! Both of you!
If you can't discuss in a civilized way without trading insults and provocations then leave the discussion!
Do not risk a ban just before World Cup!

[The]

krol & The
Cool Down PLZ! Both of you!
If you can't discuss in a civilized way without trading insults and provocations then leave the discussion!
Do not risk a ban just before World Cup!

I specifically went out of my way not to insult the dude. I don't know how else I'm supposed to respond to a person who's calling me a moron. Literally all I did was to point out that it's rude to dismiss other people's opinions and discussed specific tactical issues. Please tell how I'm supposed to express my views that will not cause a ban and I'll gladly follow those guidelines.

[persian_pooya]

man, rewatching the highlights, here's my comments on some of the main events:

first chance of Turkey (in the 2nd minute of the game!)- 50/50 foul on Masoud, but regardless Masoud should be stronger and more cautious with the ball, and Cheshmi decided to play an offsides trap last second, and it was too late & Ramin was filling in the offsides anyway, resulting in a breakaway that ended up being to close to Beiro who was able to come out quickly and take care of the situation. Poor defending by Cheshmi - he made the wrong decision and of course he's not going to win a foot race with Tosun. Good job Beiro for being quick off his line and making himself big.

First goal of Turkey - Cheshmi was dribbled way too easily. I expect a good international defender to do a better job and just force the guy down the line at least. He gets cut way too easily. But also PAG made a big mistake. I have no idea why he stopped sprinting back??? As soon as he sees Tosun going 1v1 vs Cheshmi, he needs to get there asap to put in a tackle or extra pressure. As long as Cheshmi slows him down (which he did a bit), a sprinting PAG could've saved the day there and prevented the goal. But instead he decided to jog back (no idea what he's doing) and resulted in a goal. Bad reading of the game by PAG, I expect better from him.

Next chance by Turkey (2:30ish) - if this was Spain, i'd expect them to score it.... They cross the ball too easily, and the guy in the middle is completely unmarked. Masoud, Haji Safi, or the CB's need to better mark the players. The guy was able to shoot the ball with no pressure!

Next chance by Turkey (3:40 ish) - easy give away by Masoud, really shocking. Again a better team would punish us! thanks to Beiro for making a good foot save.

Again Turkey's next chance (6:10ish) - Turkey gets the ball across - the pressure comes way too late. If you guys remember in 2006 WC, Deco got the ball and Nekounam was on him a split second later but Deco hit an insane strike. Imagine if that happens in this WC and we dilly dally and wait 2 seconds before pressuring the man...

2nd goal for Turkey (6:50ish) - Masoud too slow to slow down the Turkey attack, and they play a nice ball to Tosun. Beiro reads it wrong thinking the ball would be played faster/through and comes up and out of position. Cheshmi give Tosun wayyy too much space (probably worried that he's going to get dribbled again and that Tosun is faster than him) so Tosun says thank you very much and takes the space and time and makes a nice shot to an out of place goalkeeper in Beiro. Cheshmi gave the guy too much room and was slow to react, a good defender would be a little tighter and at least react and try to block the shot... Bad positioning by Beiro too but mainly I'd say Cheshmi's mistake. A world class goalkeeper there couldl've saved it though even being out of position, but Beiro didn't dive good enough and honestly not easy to make that save from close up.


Overall game impressions:

Iran played okay. It looks like our attacking threat is lacking a bit of chemistry, but I really hope it improves in the coming weeks of TM camp. I think Dejagah being on the field will help with this, and he'll probably replace Karim for the starting spot. Karim doesn't need to be playing midfield, he kept losing the ball...

Sardar - I hear people saying Sardar was poor, but I don't think he got any good chances, and the one that he did have he made it himself by pressuring the keeper. His build up play is okay, but as we know his main strength is scoring from crosses (headers or finishing with his feet). He didn't get many good crosses unfortunately today.

Shojaei - he had a few good passes, but overall he looks a bit too slow, and had a few terrible giveaways. I don't want him to be playing so deep, he needs to be further up the field and coming from the bench, not starting IMO. Love the guy but not sure he can keep up with the pace.

Cheshmi - had a poor performance. Gets beat to easily, slow reactions, slow sprint speed, and makes bad decisions (offside trap, giving too much room to his man, etc.). His main strength I think is in the air, but Turkey scored both from the ground. He should be replaced by Montazeri, Majid Hosseini, or we should recall Seyed Jalal and have him play... Even if his sprint speed isn't the best, he reactions are actually pretty quick, he is much smarter in his marking, and has that last ditch gheyrat adrenaline factor to get the job done, and he's amazing in the air.

Gucci was a good sub, he was there to finish the strike which resulted in the handball and looked very hungry and lively.

Ghoddos - classy player, strong, and you can see he's got goals in him. Unfortunately, it seems like his chemistry with the rest of the players is not all the way there. I hope it can improve and he can have a positive impact in Russia.

Dejagah - so glad he came on, seriously even if it was his first game in months, he played well and has lots of class about him. I hope he can get better and better, we really need him.

Beiro - he was very solid. made one mistake on the 2nd goal in his positioning, but seriously i expect way better from our CB.

I'm very happy with MiMo's performance, also ARJ was pretty good, and so was Hajsafi.

Taremi was very quiet, but didn't get the best service either. I think his style suits a counter-attacking game more than a domination game. I wouldn't mind seeing Ghoddos start over him for the Morocco game, although I do think Taremi still has a surprise factor and can turn up in Russia unexpectedly.

Nice analysis

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[Adesor Vafaseya]

Double lol at thinking firing Ivic was a travesty. Just look at the dude's career, he was nothing but journeyman that got passed around like a Rental bike.

Its not about how often he travelled ard. (and was in high demand) its about what he achieved
1, Ivic won eight league titles won in six different countries, which makes him the most successful football club manager in history.
2, He won titles and cups in seven countries: Yugoslavia, Netherlands, Belgium, Portugal, Spain and France.
I cannot list all the titles he won, because they were way too many, just look them up. The man was a "champions-maker", everywhere he went he gave something back. And Iran's exceptional performance vs Yugoslavia at WC 1998 was all thanks to him. (no disrespect to Jalal Talebi)

[krol]

I specifically went out of my way not to insult the dude. I don't know how else I'm supposed to respond to a person who's calling me a moron. Literally all I did was to point out that it's rude to dismiss other people's opinions and discussed specific tactical issues. Please tell how I'm supposed to express my views that will not cause a ban and I'll gladly follow those guidelines.

My original reply to Ridiqulus had no direct reference to you, yet you jumped in and accused me of acting like a "monk".

In fairness, I happen to really dislike xenophobes, so I can't pretend that my tone has always been friendly to you. Guess I'll just go back to scrolling over your posts.

[Adesor Vafaseya]

I specifically went out of my way not to insult the dude. I don't know how else I'm supposed to respond to a person who's calling me a moron. Literally all I did was to point out that it's rude to dismiss other people's opinions and discussed specific tactical issues. Please tell how I'm supposed to express my views that will not cause a ban and I'll gladly follow those guidelines.

Tune down a bit, specially in post #134 of this thread.
He will be dealt with too, if he continues!

[The]

Its not about how often he travelled ard. (and was in high demand) its about what he achieved

1, Ivic won eight league titles won in six different countries, which makes me the most successful football club manager in history.
2, He won titles and cups in seven countries: Yugoslavia, Netherlands, Belgium, Portugal, Spain and France.
I cannot list all the titles he won, because they were way too many, just look them up. The man was a "champions-maker", everywhere he went he gave something back. And Iran's exceptional performance vs Yugoslavia at WC 1998 was all thanks to him. (no disrespect to Jalal Talebi)

All those achievements you speak of happened way before he landed in Iran. By the Time he got to Iran, his career was on the way down coaching teams like UAE and barely winning with the best team in Turkey, and after his stint with Iran, he achieved nothing. Iran's exceptional performance at the WC was the product of the best generation of players we had up until recently, the same guys who got us to the world cup under a person like M.Kohan and Veira.

[Adesor Vafaseya]

I specifically went out of my way not to insult the dude. I don't know how else I'm supposed to respond to a person who's calling me a moron. Literally all I did was to point out that it's rude to dismiss other people's opinions and discussed specific tactical issues. Please tell how I'm supposed to express my views that will not cause a ban and I'll gladly follow those guidelines.

My original reply to Ridiqulus had no direct reference to you, yet you jumped in and accused me of acting like a "monk".

In fairness, I happen to really dislike xenophobes, so I can't pretend that my tone has always been friendly to you. Guess I'll just go back to scrolling over your posts.

OK Now that's its clear, both relax now plz!

[Lapayee]

Baba chill. This was basically an "away" game for Iran and they started very nervous, but after 15 minutes or so, Iran actually was controlling the game (although not really threatening). 2nd goal for Turkey should not have been; not sure if it was Cheshmi's or Beiranvard's fault. 1st goal was kind of similar to Azmoun's goal against Bayern when he dribbled (destroyed) Boateng and netted the ball in. Tuscon did the same with Cheshmi. Boateng is still regarded as one of the best defenders out there, so don't pile on on Cheshmi.

This was a friendly and CQ experimented with positions (for whatever reason). We all wanted Iran to win, so a little disappointing, but not such a bad performance as some are making it out to be.