Iran vs Turkey Player Ratings | Post Match Discussion

[The]

Beiro: 5 - The usual. Nothing special, but also made some decent saves in the first half and his throws caused a couple of decent counter attacks. The 2nd Goal was somewhat his fault because he he came out of his. He's not the type of goalie that could change a came for you. Would have been nice to see what Mazaheri in the 2nd half.

PAG: 6 - Was solid defensively, but wasn't really a quick decision maker. The game died when the ball came his way. Better than the alternative.

Cheshmi: 4 - Ho boy... This guy is going to be destroyed in the world cup if he plays CB. Way too slow for his position, especially when he has to make up for Rezaeian's awful defensive play. Could probably do decent as DM.

Rezaeian: 2 - Worst player on the pitch until Amiri came on. How did this guy make it to Europe? in what world is this dude a RB? Literally any Starting RB in the PGL can defend as good if not better than him. His offensive play is not nearly good enough to make up for awful positioning and dumb turnovers.

Milmo: 6 - He started the game a bit shaky but got better as it went on. had a few nice dribbles and first touches. Not a game changer, but the usual reliable Milmo.

Masoud: 3 - Anyone who's watched Masoud play Football knows two things. He can't defend to save his life, and he has a tendency to fall, turning over the ball the moment someone is within a 1 meter radius of him. In no universe should Masoud be relied on to take a defensive role. Even though his poor play today can mainly be blamed on CQ's tactics/formation, It's clear that Masoud wasn't a regular starter for AEK for a reason. He's past him prime.


Hajsafi: 5 - Our best midfielder but that's because that's some what his natural position. Offensively messed up a few chances and the game could have been tied has he scored that sitter.

Ansarifard: 3 - Another head scratcher from CQ. His Karim in Midfield experiment has not worked in any form, but he's too stubborn to change it. I fell bad giving Karim a low number, because he's being asked to take on a silly roll, but he didn't do much to impress. Mostly invisible, turned the ball over a few times and was man-handled on everyo one-on-one.

Jahanbakhsh: 7 - Sharp. Did the best he could given the circumstances. created some dangerous situations, and should have had an assist if Ehsan scored that sitter. Our best player.

Taremi: 3 - With the exception of drawing single foul, nothing good came from this man. Too slow to play winger, no matter how badly CQ wants to force. Either has on the bench, or start him as CF. It's a shame Kaveh was dropped for this guy.

Azmoun: 4 - meh.


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Amiri: 2 - Shadow of his former self. Turnover factory. No reason why he is playing ahead of Torabi and Golizadeh.


Ghoddos: 6 - Did decent. Changed the pace of our offence. Should be starting instead of Taremi

Ebrahimi: 6 - Our midfield solidified defensively a bit once he came on.

Dejageh: 6 - Obligatory 6 because he scored a penalty. Nothing special.

Torabi: 5 - meh

The Ghooch: Did not play long enough


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Haj Agha Carlos "changed our football culture forever" Keyrosh: 3 - His line-ups are some of the dumbest things I've seen a coach do. There's absolutely no reason why Masoud and Karim should be playing as far back as they did. These guys are big defensive liabilities. I don't give a crap if you've coached Germany, Spain, Brazil, France and Italy, you simply don't get to just play players our of their natural positions and expect results. The Rezaeian + Cheshmi was also awful and it took him way too long to do anything about it. Ramin should have been taken out minute 1 of this game, and Cheshmi at best should have been our DM.


Overall 5: - We basically got manhandled defensively by Turkey's B team. If this the type crap CQ is going to pull in the world cup, get ready to be the new 8-0ers. Offensively we have a chance to cause some headache, but that all relies on if CQ is going to keep playing Taremi on the LW, because if he is, then we'd be lucky to see TM score 1 goal this WC.

[Ridi-Q-Lus]

Some of you guys can be so dramatic sometimes. Who says that our starting lineup for any of the three (plus) games will be what we saw today? I thought the whole point of friendly games was to test out different players/formations.

[krol]

He didn't think Tabatabaei was too short! After he came back from his injury, he was just not the same player anymore! The selected keepers were better at the time.

We're getting off topic here. But Blazevic made it pretty obvious in his interviews around that time that he believes in "big" keepers. That was one of the reasons he picked Mirzapour who at the time was a relatively obscure goalkeeper.

[mahestan]

Not only Cheshmi sucks as a CB, he is a major liability based on the fact he is an extremely rough player. How many fouls he commit today? He got a yellow so who knows if he plays during WC he might end up with a red.

[The]

Some of you guys can be so dramatic sometimes. Who says that our starting lineup for any of the three (plus) games will be what we saw today? I thought the whole point of friendly games was to test out different players/formations.

Been hearing this sad excuse for a very long time now. You don't need friendlies to know that Masoud and Karim shouldn't be given defensive roles.
CQ has been the coach for 7 years now, he should know his crap by now.

[inarsenewetrust]

Not only Cheshmi sucks as a CB, he is a major liability based on the fact he is an extremely rough player. How many fouls he commit today? He got a yellow so who knows if he plays during WC he might end up with a red.

many fouls. Whats interesting and scary is that hes never even close to the ball. At one point I thought he got a bit of the ball on foul close to the box, but as soon as it zoomed in it was clear he was nowhere close. Compare to turkey's CB's who hardly committed a foul and had so many clean tackles on our best players. Only good tackles I saw today came from milad.

[MR.ESTESNAII]

Sardar is going to get injured and be out of the World Cup the first game....he lacks playing time ...he lacks body strength and he is an immature kid who has an idiot as a manager and u can see that when he plays...just rough

[krol]

Some of you guys can be so dramatic sometimes. Who says that our starting lineup for any of the three (plus) games will be what we saw today? I thought the whole point of friendly games was to test out different players/formations.

The problem is a handful of geniuses constantly spouting half baked "arguments" based on two things: a lack of understanding of the most basic things such as what pre-tournament friendlies are meant for, and a pathological need to prove themselves right in the internet argument about this coach. Everything that happens has to be twisted into some sort of evidence that our resident FIFA 18 experts were right all along. If we beat Brazil 4-1 tomorrow some of these Einsteins will harp on the mistakes that led to Brazil's goal and remind us Germany already beat them 7-1 in Maracana!

They don't even grasp the idea that it's pretty damn common for coaches to use players out of position in friendlies, both to not give the full formation away, and also to get those players used to performing certain duties that the coach wants to see more of but their usual roles don't prepare them enough for. Some of these experts weren't born yet when Ivic rearranged the team's formation against Roma in 98 and ended up losing 7-1 just weeks before the World Cup. That result was used by opportunists to get rid of one of the two best coaches we've ever had, but less than a month later we saw how the team he built performed in the World Cup.

There are at least 3-4 members that I automatically scroll over their posts. They have nothing to contribute but childish, stubborn, uninformed nonsense.

[Burak]

I dont expect Ansarifard's role. Why did he play at midfield?

Beiranvand was very good yesterday.
Defend players were slow at a few position.

I liked your national team performance.

Yusuf, Okay and Cenk Tosun praised Turkey's victory.

[Bandar Hamal]

Beiranvand and Hajsafi were very good
The defender Cenk Tosun beat for both goals is called Cheshmi, he is not the most experienced defender at international level and was a surprise starter today. He can play at CB and DM but he is not considered to be a favorite in either position.
Ansarifard has played CM for a few games now and has perviously played LW. The coach wants a physical player in midfield that can be aggressive in a press but it is not working so well. Basically, the coach wants Ansarifard to be something like a Thomas Muller player for Iran but it is an experiment that may not pan out. When he played on the left he was a bit better but naturally he is a CF of course.
Masoud Shojaei was also out of position as the defensive midfielder, that is a very new experiment that debuted in this game and it went horribly wrong.
The national team performance was quite shaky and Iran fans excepted a more confident game knowing the quality within the team, but this was not Iran's strongest combination of players.
Under, Tosun, Soyunucu were very good, but Turkey's best player was Cheshmi today

[Bandar Hamal]

I dont expect Ansarifard's role. Why did he play at midfield?

Beiranvand was very good yesterday.
Defend players were slow at a few position.

I liked your national team performance.

Yusuf, Okay and Cenk Tosun praised Turkey's victory.

A mod didn't understand that you were both new to this site and a non-Iranian, so he moved your thread here because he felt it was redundant. I answered you above though

[The]

The problem is a handful of geniuses constantly spouting half baked "arguments" based on two things: a lack of understanding of the most basic things such as what pre-tournament friendlies are meant for, and a pathological need to prove themselves right in the internet argument about this coach. Everything that happens has to be twisted into some sort of evidence that our resident FIFA 18 experts were right all along. If we beat Brazil 4-1 tomorrow some of these Einsteins will harp on the mistakes that led to Brazil's goal and remind us Germany already beat them 7-1 in Maracana!

They don't even grasp the idea that it's pretty damn common for coaches to use players out of position in friendlies, both to not give the full formation away, and also to get those players used to performing certain duties that the coach wants to see more of but their usual roles don't prepare them enough for. Some of these experts weren't born yet when Ivic rearranged the team's formation against Roma in 98 and ended up losing 7-1 just weeks before the World Cup. That result was used by opportunists to get rid of one of the two best coaches we've ever had, but less than a month later we saw how the team he built performed in the World Cup.

There are at least 3-4 members that I automatically scroll over their posts. They have nothing to contribute but childish, stubborn, uninformed nonsense.

Stop acting like you're some type of monk who has reached enlightenment. Your opinion is no more worthy than others.

The criticism about CQ trying to force Taremi on the wing and Karim and Masoud out of position is valid because this isn't "just trying things out". He has repeatedly made the same exact error. You get to "just try things out" when you actually have solid foundation and your players have played together for a long time and gel together. That's not the case for Iran. We don't even know who is starting midfield against Magreb and CQ is getting cute.

[O-ZoNe]

The thing that stands out to me the most is how weak some of our players are on the ball. Azmoun, Taremi, Ansarifard, Shojaie, and "kick it straight up the middle" Cheshmi were atrocious. Even if your out of position you can still try to maintain possession and run to open spaces. Instead, these guys tried to dribble everyone and anyone and often got bodied off the ball with relative ease or passed it right to the Turkish team!

For me, the take aways are simple, go with the more veteran squad who has big game experience and confidence. I would Gucci over Azmoun any day and every day of the week!

[Sam van Dam]

some people here need to realize that the majority of us aren't mad because we lost, we're mad because of our performance. we played like trash; thats frustrating and if we play like this vs spain, we will be the current 8-0ers. CQ was obviously experimenting with players at different positions which makes sense because its a friendly, but doesn't make sense since he dropped Ghafouri for that reason, and Rezaein is shaky. I don't know why he is so high on Cheshmi, but he cannot build an international player in two weeks, when we already have one sitting at home (Hosseini). I really wish Ezza was playing vs morocco because thats our missing piece for that match. I also hope Gholizadeh gets another look and possibly plays over Shoji because i saw something special in him when we played Uzbekistan, he can control the pace of a game

[persian_parsa]

man, rewatching the highlights, here's my comments on some of the main events:

first chance of Turkey (in the 2nd minute of the game!)- 50/50 foul on Masoud, but regardless Masoud should be stronger and more cautious with the ball, and Cheshmi decided to play an offsides trap last second, and it was too late & Ramin was filling in the offsides anyway, resulting in a breakaway that ended up being to close to Beiro who was able to come out quickly and take care of the situation. Poor defending by Cheshmi - he made the wrong decision and of course he's not going to win a foot race with Tosun. Good job Beiro for being quick off his line and making himself big.

First goal of Turkey - Cheshmi was dribbled way too easily. I expect a good international defender to do a better job and just force the guy down the line at least. He gets cut way too easily. But also PAG made a big mistake. I have no idea why he stopped sprinting back??? As soon as he sees Tosun going 1v1 vs Cheshmi, he needs to get there asap to put in a tackle or extra pressure. As long as Cheshmi slows him down (which he did a bit), a sprinting PAG could've saved the day there and prevented the goal. But instead he decided to jog back (no idea what he's doing) and resulted in a goal. Bad reading of the game by PAG, I expect better from him.

Next chance by Turkey (2:30ish) - if this was Spain, i'd expect them to score it.... They cross the ball too easily, and the guy in the middle is completely unmarked. Masoud, Haji Safi, or the CB's need to better mark the players. The guy was able to shoot the ball with no pressure!

Next chance by Turkey (3:40 ish) - easy give away by Masoud, really shocking. Again a better team would punish us! thanks to Beiro for making a good foot save.

Again Turkey's next chance (6:10ish) - Turkey gets the ball across - the pressure comes way too late. If you guys remember in 2006 WC, Deco got the ball and Nekounam was on him a split second later but Deco hit an insane strike. Imagine if that happens in this WC and we dilly dally and wait 2 seconds before pressuring the man...

2nd goal for Turkey (6:50ish) - Masoud too slow to slow down the Turkey attack, and they play a nice ball to Tosun. Beiro reads it wrong thinking the ball would be played faster/through and comes up and out of position. Cheshmi give Tosun wayyy too much space (probably worried that he's going to get dribbled again and that Tosun is faster than him) so Tosun says thank you very much and takes the space and time and makes a nice shot to an out of place goalkeeper in Beiro. Cheshmi gave the guy too much room and was slow to react, a good defender would be a little tighter and at least react and try to block the shot... Bad positioning by Beiro too but mainly I'd say Cheshmi's mistake. A world class goalkeeper there couldl've saved it though even being out of position, but Beiro didn't dive good enough and honestly not easy to make that save from close up.


Overall game impressions:

Iran played okay. It looks like our attacking threat is lacking a bit of chemistry, but I really hope it improves in the coming weeks of TM camp. I think Dejagah being on the field will help with this, and he'll probably replace Karim for the starting spot. Karim doesn't need to be playing midfield, he kept losing the ball...

Sardar - I hear people saying Sardar was poor, but I don't think he got any good chances, and the one that he did have he made it himself by pressuring the keeper. His build up play is okay, but as we know his main strength is scoring from crosses (headers or finishing with his feet). He didn't get many good crosses unfortunately today.

Shojaei - he had a few good passes, but overall he looks a bit too slow, and had a few terrible giveaways. I don't want him to be playing so deep, he needs to be further up the field and coming from the bench, not starting IMO. Love the guy but not sure he can keep up with the pace.

Cheshmi - had a poor performance. Gets beat to easily, slow reactions, slow sprint speed, and makes bad decisions (offside trap, giving too much room to his man, etc.). His main strength I think is in the air, but Turkey scored both from the ground. He should be replaced by Montazeri, Majid Hosseini, or we should recall Seyed Jalal and have him play... Even if his sprint speed isn't the best, he reactions are actually pretty quick, he is much smarter in his marking, and has that last ditch gheyrat adrenaline factor to get the job done, and he's amazing in the air.

Gucci was a good sub, he was there to finish the strike which resulted in the handball and looked very hungry and lively.

Ghoddos - classy player, strong, and you can see he's got goals in him. Unfortunately, it seems like his chemistry with the rest of the players is not all the way there. I hope it can improve and he can have a positive impact in Russia.

Dejagah - so glad he came on, seriously even if it was his first game in months, he played well and has lots of class about him. I hope he can get better and better, we really need him.

Beiro - he was very solid. made one mistake on the 2nd goal in his positioning, but seriously i expect way better from our CB.

I'm very happy with MiMo's performance, also ARJ was pretty good, and so was Hajsafi.

Taremi was very quiet, but didn't get the best service either. I think his style suits a counter-attacking game more than a domination game. I wouldn't mind seeing Ghoddos start over him for the Morocco game, although I do think Taremi still has a surprise factor and can turn up in Russia unexpectedly.