Iran vs Turkey Player Ratings | Post Match Discussion

[NFL]

Carlos used Karim as a CAM against Algeria. I thought that was significant because in my mind Algeria game was really the most meaningful friendly we were gonna have and whatever CQ wanted to test out for Moracco was going to be done in that game, i.e Karim, Khanzadeh

I am not sure what Carlos is planning, but I am hoping that using Karim as midfielder is his way of not giving away his starting line up for Morocco, but then when I think about it, I am not sure if he even has a CAM on his roster.

[scuderia]

Carlos used Karim as a CAM against Algeria. I thought that was significant because in my mind Algeria game was really the most meaningful friendly we were gonna have and whatever CQ wanted to test out for Moracco was going to be done in that game, i.e Karim, Khanzadeh

I am not sure what Carlos is planning, but I am hoping that using Karim as midfielder is his way of not giving away his starting line up for Morocco, but then when I think about it, I am not sure if he even has a CAM on his roster.

Usually Dejagah is our CAM. But I guess things changed since he got injured. I feel like he might be back in that position though!

[OFFSIDE_1]

Both goals were directly tied to Cheshmi. Remove him from the starting lineup, and we have a different outcome.

[ferdowsi]

The team learns much more from a 2-1 loss to a quality team like Turkey than a 4-0 victory against Sierra Leone. It's also unfair to assume that we know what Queiroz's plans are or why he made the decisions that he did, questionable as they may be. Only he knows that, and after 7 years of consistent results criticizing his choices in a friendly is shortsighted and naive.

[DireStraits]

This style of using the player in the wrong position have been used by IVIC before France world cup. He was fired but when we did well in france world cup
every 1 missed him. I guess it is above our level.

[LocalSkeptic]

Guys,

Look at the dire mistake by the Italian defender that costed them a goal vs. Saudi Arabia (min ~6:45): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srqBBMn94OM

Final Score: Italy 2 vs Saudi Arabia 1

[Siavash]

Shojaei losing the the again and again was painful to watch. If CQ is so interested in playing him he should keep him as far as possible from defence lineup.

[Karimi 8]

Certain things got exposed and hopefully will be a lesson. Cheshmi isn’t a CB, Rezaeian, isn’t a RB, Hajsafi has no finishing (keep him as DM, not further up, don’t let him take free kicks, dejagah is not match fit for more than 20 minutes, Ansarifard can’t play in the midfield like Taremi can, Jahanbakhsh can’t handle both defensive and offensive duties and perform.

Some solutions: (ignoring the fact that Ghafouri and Hosseini aren’t there), Montazeri as CB, Khanzadeh as RB, play Ebrahimi and Hajsafi in the Morocco game as DM, put Jahanbakhsh as supporting striker, put Ghoddos as RW or CAM.

[KeonKish]

I will start off by saying that I watched the game in full after reading all your comments, as I was not able to watch the game live.
For starters, I recommend the majority of you re-watch the game, because it seems like your pride or emotions made you think this game was some sort of disaster.
I agree that cheshmi made two very immature, individual errors, but there were definitely a lot of positives from this game as well.
Turkey had a good lineup with very pacy players, who play quick passes and in my opinion a very beautiful football.
After the initial jitters of the game, we were able to contain them and in my opinion we were quite decent.

negatives: Ansarifard just made the midfield confusing, and its not really his fault, but many times today I noticed that there were like 2 or 3 of our players WAY too close to eachother when we had the ball, almost blocking our own passing lanes.
Obviously, Cheshmis individual mistakes
Taremi was not nearly as effective as he was in previous games, seemed lost

Positives:
Beiranvand proved that he will be and deserves to be our starting keeper, in the friendlies we've had against solid teams in the past few months, hes made numerous fantastic saves and he made some great runs today and in my opinion he played with confidence.
Mohammadi pissed off the turkish players so much they started pulling his shirt
Gucci proved that he is the #1 choice for late game sub
and we showed that we can actually dominate possession in a High tempo game against a team who in my opinion was very well rounded, played quick and physical football.

The following opinions may be unpopular, but im going to say it anyways.
Besides his 2 mistakes, cheshmi wasnt that bad, although I still think he should not be a starter for us this WC, he has much to learn. Pouraliganji was much better.
Shojaei besides a few scenes was actually pretty good at his role today, but my biggest problem was that he kept slowing down the game.
What do I mean? He was making some nice passes and interceptions, but his speed is too low, he would be a good option if we are looking to slow down the game, and maybe frustrate opponents to hold on to a lead.
Ebrahimi seemed much better and made more direct and attack stimulating passes, he sure isnt ezatollahi though.

Overall I think it was a great game especially seeing Dejagah come back, who just has a different level of movement on the field.
Still want to see more from: Ghoddos\ M. Hosseini,

[mehdiKia15]

Jalal will be missed on this roster.His veteran experience is needed on this defence.

[Frank Ocean]

We had more posession, better ball movement
it was obvious that our players didnt go 100% into 1on1’s to avoid injuries
I am pretty sure we could have bullied this turkey team much more than we did

[Babak agha]

Not that it matters that much.. but please don't fool yourself by thinking Turkey is a world class team or even a high caliber team.
They're just an (below) average Euro team.

This is a team that became 4th behind Iceland, Croatia and Ukraine. They recently lost against Romania, Albania, won from Ireland and drew against Montenegro.

[Bi-honar]

Some of you guys can be so dramatic sometimes. Who says that our starting lineup for any of the three (plus) games will be what we saw today? I thought the whole point of friendly games was to test out different players/formations.

Your point is completely valid and I fully agree with it for all the friendlies up until this match but with potentially only 1 friendly left, IMHO this was no time to still be testing what has been tested half a dozen times and shown not to work.

The purpose of the last 2-3 friendlies for any team should be to test their main squads, fine-tune actual match tactics and most importantly improve the co-ordination and cohesion of their match-specific squads and of course there's confidence building.

This is why most countries pick their last 3-4 matches against teams that play a similar style to the teams they will be facing in the group stage because presumably they will field slightly modified squads against each team and that particular squad needs to be fully coordinated as well.

We didn't achieve any of those things in this match, so I'm afraid that we are still playing catch-up at this point on where we need to be in our preparations which is at the very least slightly worrying to some of us, not the 2-1 loss.

I also hope that some of you are right that after yesterday's performance CQ knows for sure that some players such as Amiri, Shojaei and Cheshmi (among others like Karim, etc.) don't deserve to be on the main squad but some of us have been saying that for months and also have been hoping after every match where that was more than clear, that CQ would have for sure come to that realization in that match.

The truth of the matter is that our performances up until qualification were fantastic and nearly flawless and the we didn't have to come up with any excuses or presumptions because our level of preparation and co-ordination was top notch and everyone could see it in every game.

I'm hoping (and have been hoping) to see that in the next match and really hope that we manage to play some other team if the Greece plans fall through because it's badly needed at this point. We can not go into the WC running around like a bunch of headless chickens, not even for the first 10 minutes of a match and certainly not in the group we're in.

CQ performs better under pressure and criticism and has consistently delivered better results under these circumstances. So, I don't think a little bit of criticism is to TM's disadvantage, to the contrary it will prove to be very constructive and beneficial. TM needs to lift its game very quickly - the boys the management cadre, everyone.

[ramingeles2000]

it was ok. we played a decent game against a classy european side in their home field. we controlled possession and had 3-4 very dangerous chances (Hajsafi really should have buried that one). what you see (and you saw it against Serbia too) is that against fast world class teams, you get punished for the SMALLEST mistakes. they can create chances in a single moment. Additional takeaways:

-Ghoddos and Dejagah both need to start. These 2, Jahanbakhsh, MilMo and Hajsafi are our best players. Dejagah seems to be the only person on the team who can distribute from the middle and hold the ball confidently. it's ridiculous.

-Cheshmi - enough has been said. i don't get it either. I'd say give Majid hosseini a chance but let's be honest, there's no way he starts over Cheshmi. So, it looks like CQ has made his decision and Cheshmi will be our starter. Ouch. Wish CQ had figured this one out earlier.

-MilMo is fantastic. We are so lucky to have him as a replacement after losing Pouladi. He's a rock.

-Beiranvand is error-prone and makes boneheaded plays but he's got great length and above-average shot-stopping abilities.

-Turkey is an excellent European team, right at the level of Portugal and Morocco give or take. I am concerned though...if we lose the Greek friendly...and our only remaining game is against Lithuania...that's scary because there seem to be many question marks.

-Finally: the best indicator of future performance is past performance. Iran didn't get spanked 5-0 by Germany in WC 98, or by Netherlands in 78, or by Portugal in 2006, or by Argentina in 2014. Iran ALWAYS rises to the occasion and plays well against quality teams (frustratingly, they also play down to the level of shitty teams like Jordan, Bahrain, etc.). It's rooted in our psychology and I can't explain it. I think this team is much sharper than the 2014 edition, and we have some real quality in the attack. This team has perfected the CQ art of parking the bus when needed, but we have more firepower moving up field. It's great to see. We didn't have a player like Saman or Azmoun or current Jahanbakhsh in 2014. Gucci (and maybe Ashkan) was really our only attacking threat. It's foolish to say "we have to beat Morocco for this to be considered a success"...because results we can't predict. What I can predict is that (a) this team will fight very hard, and has high character (b) we will score some goals, I think more than we have in the past (c) this team will make us proud.

[Corey]

Good game. It illustrates our weeknesses.
1. CB besides PAG, our CB are way to slow for europ. football. Cheshmi prooved he can t make it. But do you want J Hosseini to play against the ones of Tosun on counter attacks? He is great, but for slow asian football. I am afraid even Montazeri is too slow. M Hosseini amd Khanzadeh lack experience. I don t know what to do for that position.

2. RB Ramin has issues going back, although I saw him better than most here, especially when dealing with the pace. But who are our alternatives? Look at Vourias last games for NT against physical teams and you see he cannot deal with 1 on 1s. Lost so many battles. Agaun I understand why Queiroz took Khanzadeh, he is the phys. strongest we got on RB.

3. CDM in first game. Of course Shojaei has problems in defense. But who else we got? Ebrahimi is recovering and had problems in Tunisia game. Cheshmi will cause fouls in dangerous zones. He needes to try alternatives. I vote for trying Ashkan once there and if not working, going for ebrahimi. Nut do you blame Q for trying Shojaei when we got no sub for ebrahimi in 1 game?

4. For Andarifard goes the same like for Shojaei. Ashkan is recovering and we do not have anybody for that position. Ghoddos is too weak physically. At least Karim was ok in defense. So Q found a sub for the injury prone, 65 minutes dejagah.

Again, we should look at the positions in trouble and ask ourselvelved who should play instead of blaming Q for not having decent players in those positions. It s not like he can buy a pacey cb, a phys. strong rb and a strong dm for 1 game from other clubs. So he is trying. And people wait til it does not work out and blame him. Now everybody is voting for gucci whereas when it comes to the majority of the people he shouldn t even be in tje squad. Very easy to say who should be in the line up after the game.