Iran vs Turkey Player Ratings | Post Match Discussion

[val]

As much as I like CQ and believe in his coaching abilities and support his every decision; I think he is making a great mistake by replacing Jalal Hosseini with Cheshmi
Jalal Hosseini is the Canavaro of Iranian football, those that played football in club level know that defense is the only position in the game, which one simply can not play unless they have extensive knowledge and experience in playing this particular position, as a simple mistake can destroy years of anticipation of the fans and preparations of the team

Today cheshmi and also torabi proved they can not deliver in big games as the stress over takes their judgement and performance contrary to a veteran player like seyed jalal that goes into 1on1s with any player instinctually out of experience, Cheshmi was responsible on both goals, the Turks knew he was vulnerable therefore they pushed and broke him everytime, I am sure our World Cup competitors will analyze him and his weaknesses and will try to break us from his lack of competence, Cheshmi's flaws are not fixable in 2 weeks, even if CQ wants to bring Cheshmi and give him a chance he should also bring seyed Jalal in case Cheshmi under performs he can sub him out with seyed Jalal

CQ will regret not selecting Jalal Hosseini for the reminder of his football life

[Bi-honar]

Not that it matters that much.. but please don't fool your self by thinking Turkey is a world class team or even a high caliber team.
They're just an (below) average Euro team.

This is a team that became 4th behind Iceland, Croatia and Ukraine. There recently lost against Romania, Albania, won from Ireland and drew against Montenegro.

Yeah, I'm a bit surprised too how everyone is talking them up so much... they had only 3 players in the starting squad that played in a top European league this year (one of them a bottom Bundesliga team). They were missing quite a few players so this was not a match against Portugal or Spain but a provisional team that at full strength managed a 2-2 tie against lowly Finland in their last competitive match.

That doesn't mean we played a crappy team but I would be very cautious in gauging our WC opponents based on this match or our own strengths and weaknesses because we played against an amazing top notch European team.

[KeonKish]

This team was not similar in any way to the turkey team in the WCQs, silly point of reference from any of you.

The coach is much better and the team plays a much better style as well.

This team had some veterans in it, some good legionaries( Bundesliga, Serie A, EPL) and top youngsters of the Süper Lig

Definitely not a below average Euro team.

At LEAST on the level of Morocco.


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[Nima]

When you have slow defenders you use to 2 defensive midfielders.
Not Karim and Masoud.

But I am really amazed that CQ Keep testing the Karim as midfielder. Never worked. I liked his old style more!

[Amin_]

But I am really amazed that CQ Keep testing the Karim as midfielder. Never worked. I liked his old style more!

Please use the correct name of our players. Officially it's "the Ansarifarnt", and not "the Karim". Thanx.

[Kiarash]

Interesting fact: in 7 seven years of CQ coaching Team Melli, we have never won a match when we fell behind. That is IMO very, very worrying.

So in ANY game we must score first otherwise we're done. Talking about one dimensional tactics.

[Hajik]

I watched only the highlights and I can say that our best player is Hajsafi. He need to be our capitan! He always fight for the TM

[aryanirani]

I wish ezatollahi could play in our first game. Also, I know some don't rate ali karimi highly, but I did REALLY love the ezatollahi/ karmi combo in midfield. Thoughts?

[Love TM]

My take on the game.

I´ve lost a lot of hope for our TM. As soon as we play against some quality opponents we can see how weak we really are. It´s a pity that Quieroz hasnt been able to build a better team in 7 years and if he leaves after the world cup then so be it. I have been his biggest supporter for his work outside the pitch, but his selections and tactics has been really poor lately.

Beiranvand was great in the first half and for the first time I actually started to believe that he may not be as bad as I thought, but then came the 2-0 goal and he made his usual mistakes.

Rezaeian shouldnt start. Even a non-football liking person could see that every attack against us came from our right-flank. He either crosses the ball every single time he gets it or try to dribble to the right and gives up the ball.

Cheshmi... No words.

PAG was bad. Maybe he needs Hosseini to direct him. Our defense was always solid with them two together.

Mimo was great, he is our only hope in the defense.

Shojaei was awful, but he wasnt playing in his usual position. But that shouldnt be an excuse when you give up every single ball.

Hajsafi was good.

JB was weak, but he showed some glimpses here and there.

I didnt even notice Taremi on the pitch, he was just filling a spot.

I feel bad for Ansarifard for playing out of position, he does his best but it isnt enough.

Azmoun was really bad as well, he made mistake after mistake.

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Ebrahimi brought some calmness in the midfield.

Ghoddos was weak but the poor guy doesnt get any chance to play the full 90 and get integrated in to the team!

Dejagah showed that he hasnt played any football in a long time, especially with his dis-oriented shot in the last seconds.

Gucci was lively in the time he was in.

Didnt see Torabi that much.

Amiri hustles a lot but thats about it. Whats with the rush all the time?

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All in all it was a terrible performance and nobody should be satisfied. The excuse of not having any friendlies is getting old. Even when we do get quality friendlies we always experiment too much and our best 11 havent played together in ages.

[Bi-honar]

This team was not similar in any way to the turkey team in the WCQs, silly point of reference from any of you.

The coach is much better and the team plays a much better style as well.

Lucescu was the coach for the Finland match Keon jaan and also for the 3-2 loss to Albania (with 10 men since the 1st half), 2-2 tie with Montenegro and 2-0 loss to Romania.

TBH, I didn't really see anything special about their team at all... slow in defense as a unit, nothing special in midfield and just one decent stirker... the only reason they looked so fast and amazing is because our formation gave them so much free space on the field and then thee was Cheshmi of course!

[Omids]

Interesting fact: in 7 seven years of CQ coaching Team Melli, we have never won a match when we fell behind. That is IMO very, very worrying.

So in ANY game we must score first otherwise we're done. Talking about one dimensional tactics.

Well under CQ we don’t fall behind that often, so you could turn the stat around and say it is so good that we don’t fall behind under CQ that often, isn’t that wonderful.

I was in the stadium when we played Iraq in the last Asia cup. We were comfortably leading when paloudi got sent off in the 1st half. But then Iraq scored to equalise. It was 1 all until full time. We fell behind in extra time, came back to equalise to 2 all, fell back after a penalty to equalise again right at the end of extra time. 3 all. Playing most of the game with 10 players and equalising twice in extra time, if that wasn’t coming back from being down don’t know what that was. we lost the penalties 6-7.

[Philosophy_King]

My take on the game.

I´ve lost a lot of hope for our TM. As soon as we play against some quality opponents we can see how weak we really are. It´s a pity that Quieroz hasnt been able to build a better team in 7 years and if he leaves after the world cup then so be it. I have been his biggest supporter for his work outside the pitch, but his selections and tactics has been really poor lately.

Beiranvand was great in the first half and for the first time I actually started to believe that he may not be as bad as I thought, but then came the 2-0 goal and he made his usual mistakes.

Rezaeian shouldnt start. Even a non-football liking person could see that every attack against us came from our right-flank. He either crosses the ball every single time he gets it or try to dribble to the right and gives up the ball.

Cheshmi... No words.

PAG was bad. Maybe he needs Hosseini to direct him. Our defense was always solid with them two together.

Mimo was great, he is our only hope in the defense.

Shojaei was awful, but he wasnt playing in his usual position. But that shouldnt be an excuse when you give up every single ball.

Hajsafi was good.

JB was weak, but he showed some glimpses here and there.

I didnt even notice Taremi on the pitch, he was just filling a spot.

I feel bad for Ansarifard for playing out of position, he does his best but it isnt enough.

Azmoun was really bad as well, he made mistake after mistake.

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Ebrahimi brought some calmness in the midfield.

Ghoddos was weak but the poor guy doesnt get any chance to play the full 90 and get integrated in to the team!

Dejagah showed that he hasnt played any football in a long time, especially with his dis-oriented shot in the last seconds.

Gucci was lively in the time he was in.

Didnt see Torabi that much.

Amiri hustles a lot but thats about it. Whats with the rush all the time?

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All in all it was a terrible performance and nobody should be satisfied. The excuse of not having any friendlies is getting old. Even when we do get quality friendlies we always experiment too much and our best 11 havent played together in ages.

Our pefromance dramaticly drops since the Sierra Leone Game.
Our defense became very shaky ( not just against strong teams like tunesia,
Russia or turkey but also against uzbek u 23).

When i saw TM against Russia i felt that we are on the right track but
now i have my doubts. I also think that the players were may affected
by CQ bad mood in the last few weeks and his claim that he wont continue
afte World Cup.

[Soorakhian]

My take on the game.

I´ve lost a lot of hope for our TM. As soon as we play against some quality opponents we can see how weak we really are. It´s a pity that Quieroz hasnt been able to build a better team in 7 years and if he leaves after the world cup then so be it. I have been his biggest supporter for his work outside the pitch, but his selections and tactics has been really poor lately.

Beiranvand was great in the first half and for the first time I actually started to believe that he may not be as bad as I thought, but then came the 2-0 goal and he made his usual mistakes.

Rezaeian shouldnt start. Even a non-football liking person could see that every attack against us came from our right-flank. He either crosses the ball every single time he gets it or try to dribble to the right and gives up the ball.

Cheshmi... No words.

PAG was bad. Maybe he needs Hosseini to direct him. Our defense was always solid with them two together.

Mimo was great, he is our only hope in the defense.

Shojaei was awful, but he wasnt playing in his usual position. But that shouldnt be an excuse when you give up every single ball.

Hajsafi was good.

JB was weak, but he showed some glimpses here and there.

I didnt even notice Taremi on the pitch, he was just filling a spot.

I feel bad for Ansarifard for playing out of position, he does his best but it isnt enough.

Azmoun was really bad as well, he made mistake after mistake.

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Ebrahimi brought some calmness in the midfield.

Ghoddos was weak but the poor guy doesnt get any chance to play the full 90 and get integrated in to the team!

Dejagah showed that he hasnt played any football in a long time, especially with his dis-oriented shot in the last seconds.

Gucci was lively in the time he was in.

Didnt see Torabi that much.

Amiri hustles a lot but thats about it. Whats with the rush all the time?

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All in all it was a terrible performance and nobody should be satisfied. The excuse of not having any friendlies is getting old. Even when we do get quality friendlies we always experiment too much and our best 11 havent played together in ages.

Isn't this the problem? Since we have so few friendlies we need to use them to experiment. Also, I don't think the "best 11" is as clear as some of you seem to think. There are quite a few positions (also depending on the formation that we use) where no one is clearly above the rest.

[Bi-honar]

Rezaeian shouldnt start. Even a non-football liking person could see that every attack against us came from our right-flank. He either crosses the ball every single time he gets it or try to dribble to the right and gives up the ball.

Great post and I agree with you on all the points, except Rezaeian. Poor guy was either left out of position or defending against two attackers because Shojaei was just giving the ball away in a dangerous position and...

And I'm still not clear what formation we were playing because it looked like an absolute mess. It looked like a 4-3-3 (in defense) with Ansarifard as a RM and a freakin' 4-4-2 in attack which is the opposite of what should happen in reality.

If you look at the highlights of the match in the article on the front page at minute 2:25, that's Shojaei giving the ball away and it's Karim that's actually defending and gets left behind (don't blame the guy, he's not a defender), not Ramin.

Ramin's actually on the wing, presumably for a planned and practiced attack. Or minute 3:25 when they get a shot on, that wasn't Ramin's job to block that shot by Karim again! And then on later play it's JB that goes in for a pretty bad slide tackle completely missing the ball!

All in all, it was pure chaos out there!

[foadno]

The arrangement of players was really strange!!!
Cannot really understand why CQ doesn't understand these:
- Karim cannot play winger. In that position, he is not at his best and he destroys the game for the rest around him as well
- Saman is in his best behind strikers
- Sardar shouldn't pick up balls from our defense line!!!!!!!
- Masoud is not building up game
- Defense to offense transition IMPOSSIBLE!!!!
- Cheshmi is at his best infront defenders breaking up opponents game...


Wither CQ is badly lost, or he doesnt want to show his formation right now.....
this way or that way, very worried!!!!!