Iran vs Turkey Player Ratings | Post Match Discussion

[KeonKish]

just watched the game.
1st, as many have said, this is a warm up game and the result isn't that important.
HOW we play is more important.
seeing CQ switch so many positions like Karim's, Shojaei's, Taromi's, ... I tend to think he was just trying to focus on individual fitnesses rather than positional plays. at least for a few players.
That also may indicate he's not trying to show his true FIRST/MAIN team line up yet. Or even his preferred formation.
secondly - I seriously doubt Cheshmi will get to play along PAG for the main games. We'll see Montazeri to give us a experience-energy combo in the center.
third - whlle Rezaeian did ok, But I still believe Ghafouri would have done this & then some. So I still cant explain dropping him.
fourth - RGN doubters were shown why he's included. His timing, poaching instincts and positional abilities were the reason for the goal as well as many other instances where he put their defense in pressure and was a constant threat or nuisance.
in other words, the same old RGN we've come to admire.
(although I would have loved to see Rezaei also called up. But I understand CQ couldn't put him above anyone else)
All in all, I thik this was a useful test for TM.
exposed some flaws that CQ will surely address. Also our attacking in 2nd half with more players in their rightful posts (Dejagah, Amiri, … ) and penetrating the turks backline, showed promise.
Lets not discount this Turkey team. They are still European regulars in pretty good leagues
IF our final game is to be played behind closed doors, which I think will be, I'm pretty sure CQ would be using his main team, formation, tactics, … (for the morocco game). That would give CQ te best idea of what we're capable of.

Ghafouri didnt even win 1 physical duel against Algeria, he lost 8/8(100%) physical challenges against a team that we beat!
Thats absolutely unacceptable
Ramin might look a bit odd when hes defending but he always makes use of his body and definitely wins challenges and fouls.

[Doctor DOOM]

one thing that was interesting was using Shojaei as DM.
I dont think he'd be used in this position …. at least not for long periods of a game. But IF he is used, then it sheds light on an interesting tactic where CQ relies on playmaking from DEPTH.

That means he means to use a highly defensive formation & strategy with reliance on quick counters (which makes absolute sense, given that all THREE teams are superior to us) which needs someone placed DEEP in our half (like a DM) to distribute the balls high up - most probably to flanks for JB or Amiri or Azmoun. But someone who is able to sweep past his marker, with a dribble.
this dribble seems important as both spain and Portugal WILL put our players under press as soon as they lose the ball.
so this player needs to get away from that press.
That needs someone with good passing and vision, which seems to be Shojaei. Omid cant do it. maybe even Ezzi may not be the top choice, given both their low ability to dribble and get away from their markers.



an interesting strategy as shojaei's defensive abilities are suspect. And in defense, I doubt he'd be useful enough like Omid or Ezzi.
Except maybe merely adding to the numbers in the middle in front of the defense line.
But I wouldnt be totally shocked to see this against Spain & Portugal though

[Iran Doost]

Why don't we have a thread for Iran-Greece game already?

[Nokhodi]

one thing that was interesting was using Shojaei as DM.
I dont think he'd be used in this position …. at least not for long periods of a game. But IF he is used, then it sheds light on an interesting tactic where CQ relies on playmaking from DEPTH.

That means he means to use a highly defensive formation & strategy with reliance on quick counters (which makes absolute sense, given that all THREE teams are superior to us) which needs someone placed DEEP in our half (like a DM) to distribute the balls high up - most probably to flanks for JB or Amiri or Azmoun. But someone who is able to sweep past his marker, with a dribble.
this dribble seems important as both spain and Portugal WILL put our players under press as soon as they lose the ball.
so this player needs to get away from that press.
That needs someone with good passing and vision, which seems to be Shojaei. Omid cant do it. maybe even Ezzi may not be the top choice, given both their low ability to dribble and get away from their markers.



an interesting strategy as shojaei's defensive abilities are suspect. And in defense, I doubt he'd be useful enough like Omid or Ezzi.
Except maybe merely adding to the numbers in the middle in front of the defense line.
But I wouldnt be totally shocked to see this against Spain & Portugal though

The only game Shojaei will be useful is versus Spain.
The other teams will be too physical and speedy for Shojaei. They'll run him over.

[Essi]

Why don't we have a thread for Iran-Greece game already?

Because there are som rumors that the game will be canceled.

[The]

Why don't we have a thread for Iran-Greece game already?

Because we aren't sure if/when it would happen.

[Iran Doost]

Because we aren't sure if/when it would happen.

Should always be optimistic.

[DireStraits]

Cheshmi cannot be blamed for both goals ..if you rewind the game to a few minutes before each goal you would realize that it was the team that failed to protect against the attack.

I can't see what CQ was testing but if he used two decent DM there wouldn't be long distance between our midfielders and our defense. I think he was putting presure on Cheshmi and Biranvand to train them better. It is boring to see game like this because players are used at the wrong positions. I liked our team better when we played Russia.

[Shahin K]

No one has to be a "monk" to know more than you. They just need basic common sense.

Nonsense. Taremi has most often played on the wings for the national team and the results have been far from "erroneous". Karim played out of position in Doha against Qatar and was one of our key players in that win.

According to your bio you were 9 back in 98, so I don't blame you for not knowing when we lost 7-1 to Roma there were clueless armchair analysts screaming the same exact kind of nonsense and cheering when Ivic was fired. History has proven who the real dunces were.

Just stop pretending this has anything to do with your non-existent football knowledge. You're just butt-hurt that an evil foreign Portuguese guy is in charge of the national team. In your bigoted mind having a coach "of your own race" is more important than hiring a world class tactician who has cared and done more for our football than a hundred of his opportunist critics combined. That's what all this crap comes down to.

The 7-1 loss was not in 98. Was somewhere between 2004 and 2006. With Ali Karimi

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[Omid177]

The 7-1 loss was not in 98. Was somewhere between 2004 and 2006. With Ali Karimi

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The match you're talking about ended in a 5-3 loss.

[Saam]

The 7-1 loss was not in 98. Was somewhere between 2004 and 2006. With Ali Karimi

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No. We lost 7-1 in 1998. We played them again in that time with Ali Karimi and the score was 5-3.

[Nokhodi]

The 7-1 loss was not in 98. Was somewhere between 2004 and 2006. With Ali Karimi

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It was 1998. Ivic was fired shortly after.

[Shahin K]

The match you're talking about ended in a 5-3 loss.

So IFF has a connection with as roma?


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[EKBATAN]

Speaking of Roma, there is a popular AS Roma page in Persian on twitter. Its a verified account that is supported by the club itself. I love how active Iranians are online, it gives attention to these bigger clubs that there is a huge market for them in Iran. Hell i think the Persian Roma page gets more likes and retweets than their English one.

[Corey]

Thanks!

Ghafouri didnt even win 1 physical duel against Algeria, he lost 8/8(100%) physical challenges against a team that we beat!
Thats absolutely unacceptable
Ramin might look a bit odd when hes defending but he always makes use of his body and definitely wins challenges and fouls.

Thanks! At least one person is noticing. Ghafouri has big issues in defense when playing phys. Teams, especially in 1 vs. 1. He loses 100% of his battles and people claim he is better than rezaeian in defense. Iranians rely on emotions rather than stats.