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    Originally posted by NFL View Post
    Just because I don't agree with Carlos's garbage and low class piece of shit personality, doesn't mean that I am "vatanforoush".
    I don't think we should be slinging mud at each other. But I find it really hard to understand why people would support a guy who had such a damaging long-term effect on TM which took well over a decade to reverse. His stifling of our development at such a crucial time was painful to watch at the time, but in particular his Dynamo Zagreb dallali crap and the effect it had on our most talented players.

    I can't get past the dichotomy between supporting branko in any way,shape or form and being a TM supporter.


    The Branko effect for TM.

    - SPINELESSNESS: Sticking with one goalkeeper (Mirzapour) who was error-prone, and not even giving a chance to test other alternatives, and there were a few (contrast with CQ). Not altering his tactics and game plan, and keeping with the same formations/line-ups for every damn game. He just didn't want to experiment and try different players, he didn't like any chance. We had a series of very feeble performances in the 2005-early 2006 period but NOTHING was changed after them, and he had a lot more new talent at his disposal than his predecessors (remember poor Pourheidari who had a midfield of Fekri, Navazi, Halali to pick from)

    - OUTSIDE INFLUENCE: Branko let himself be influenced too much by player agents such as Reza Fazeli who was in the TM camp for the World Cup, and we all know that it affected the team spirit. He also let Daei dictate matters far too much in terms of team selection.

    - TEAM SPIRIT: Our team spirit was the worst for WC06 when players were even refusing to pass to each other, let alone speaking with each other (contrast with CQ and the tight-knit unit he has built)

    - TACTICAL NONSENSE: After finally bringing Bayern Munich's Hashemian back into the fold, he pushed him out to the wing (absolute no man's land) to accommodate a stagnant Ali Daei, who was playing 90 minutes for every game, not even subbed out for young strikers to get a chance to get some game time.

    - TROLLING: Bringing Khatibi back to TM, starting him and Enayati. Khatibi was a constant source of frustration, the worst finisher we have ever had internationally, how he had so many caps no one can explain (well, apart from Branko and Khatibi's agent at the time Fazeli probably).

    - POOR TEAM SELECTION: When we had more talented players, I never understood why Branko picked Badavi, Alavi, Kameli Mofrad, Khatibi, Sattar Zare. He had a favoured group of players who he stuck with, who were worse than a number of their peers in IPL.

    - OGHDEH - Falling out with his prized player (Mobali) when the latter refused to move to Dynamo Zagreb in 2005. At the time he was the only two-footed playmaker apart from Karimi and he was player of the year in IPL at the age of 21. He was just dropped after Branko's lajbaazi.

    - STIFLING DEVELOPMENT - We had, at the time, arguably our brightest crop of aged 18-22 youngsters who all looked very talented (Kazemian, Mobali, Borhani). They weren't given enough playing time internationally to develop and ended up dwindling, as the coach just kept playing the same people for 90 minutes regardless of how they performed (contrast with CQ)

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      Branko:

      "Queiroz is afraid of Zlatko Dalic overtaking the helm of Team Melli"

      "Queiroz is lying"

      "Queiroz should have taken Seyed Jalal to the World Cup"

      https://www.farsnews.com/news/139704...B1%D9%88%D8%BA

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        Originally posted by NFL View Post
        Well you offended me first. me and millions of Persepolis fans. Just because I don't agree with Carlos's garbage and low class piece of shit personality, doesn't mean that I am "vatanforoush". and you don't have the right to accuse another fellow Iranian (no matter their position on any given issue, specially something like football) of not having the best intention for their national team at heart. that is exactly what IR leaders do to our people which is " if you don't agree with us, you must be against Iran, Islam, God and Mohammad".

        a lot of that shit is going on this board and it is shocking to me that staff of this fine site allow this kind of insult go on and on.

        answer this question: if next time around another coach comes in and you don't agree with something that he has said, does that make you a "vatanforoush"? Yes or no?

        anyways, I apologize if I offended you.
        I am a Perspolise fan myself, but I don't agree with Bronko purely because you can tell he has other motives he wants the TM job again thats obviouse and he wants to get rid of CQ so he can then have a chance at having the job. But reality of everything is that CQ is the best manager we had he has a lot more gheyrat for TM then the likes of karimi and defo Bronko. Bronko and Karimi have done nothing but try to hinder TM for the past year or so. they just seems like little babies who have spit their dummies out of the pram. I truly think that people who try and hinder TM shouldnt be defended. This was the best WC results we have ever had. Remember when Bronko took us to WC and after he didn't even come back to Iran he just left and we finished that WC with 1 Point. This worldcup we finished with 4Points in group of death. surely results talk and that shows CQ has made right decisions so far!
        Well I been away for a while!!!
        https://Beelits.com

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          Branko hasn't got a leg to stand on. The above arguments show that he is not the most sophisticated man.... I mean Zlatko Dalic? The man, who is leading croatia to new levels at the world cup? Why should he go and coach Iran instead? And why should Queiroz be afraid??

          Seyed Jalal? Why should Queiroz took him to the world cup, while we officially had the best defense at the world cup? I don't get it. I hope he is going to enlighten us more.

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            Originally posted by DR Strangemoosh View Post
            I don't think we should be slinging mud at each other. But I find it really hard to understand why people would support a guy who had such a damaging long-term effect on TM which took well over a decade to reverse. His stifling of our development at such a crucial time was painful to watch at the time, but in particular his Dynamo Zagreb dallali crap and the effect it had on our most talented players.

            I can't get past the dichotomy between supporting branko in any way,shape or form and being a TM supporter.


            The Branko effect for TM.

            - SPINELESSNESS: Sticking with one goalkeeper (Mirzapour) who was error-prone, and not even giving a chance to test other alternatives, and there were a few (contrast with CQ). Not altering his tactics and game plan, and keeping with the same formations/line-ups for every damn game. He just didn't want to experiment and try different players, he didn't like any chance. We had a series of very feeble performances in the 2005-early 2006 period but NOTHING was changed after them, and he had a lot more new talent at his disposal than his predecessors (remember poor Pourheidari who had a midfield of Fekri, Navazi, Halali to pick from)

            - OUTSIDE INFLUENCE: Branko let himself be influenced too much by player agents such as Reza Fazeli who was in the TM camp for the World Cup, and we all know that it affected the team spirit. He also let Daei dictate matters far too much in terms of team selection.

            - TEAM SPIRIT: Our team spirit was the worst for WC06 when players were even refusing to pass to each other, let alone speaking with each other (contrast with CQ and the tight-knit unit he has built)

            - TACTICAL NONSENSE: After finally bringing Bayern Munich's Hashemian back into the fold, he pushed him out to the wing (absolute no man's land) to accommodate a stagnant Ali Daei, who was playing 90 minutes for every game, not even subbed out for young strikers to get a chance to get some game time.

            - TROLLING: Bringing Khatibi back to TM, starting him and Enayati. Khatibi was a constant source of frustration, the worst finisher we have ever had internationally, how he had so many caps no one can explain (well, apart from Branko and Khatibi's agent at the time Fazeli probably).

            - POOR TEAM SELECTION: When we had more talented players, I never understood why Branko picked Badavi, Alavi, Kameli Mofrad, Khatibi, Sattar Zare. He had a favoured group of players who he stuck with, who were worse than a number of their peers in IPL.

            - OGHDEH - Falling out with his prized player (Mobali) when the latter refused to move to Dynamo Zagreb in 2005. At the time he was the only two-footed playmaker apart from Karimi and he was player of the year in IPL at the age of 21. He was just dropped after Branko's lajbaazi.

            - STIFLING DEVELOPMENT - We had, at the time, arguably our brightest crop of aged 18-22 youngsters who all looked very talented (Kazemian, Mobali, Borhani). They weren't given enough playing time internationally to develop and ended up dwindling, as the coach just kept playing the same people for 90 minutes regardless of how they performed (contrast with CQ)
            Exactly my point. I just dont understand people standing up for him and Karimi blindly and ignoring everything that happened.
            Well I been away for a while!!!
            https://Beelits.com

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              Originally posted by NFL View Post
              Carlos's garbage and low class piece of shit personality
              The guy with the low class and piece of shit personality is the charlatan who suddenly started attacking CQ because he was butthurt that Carlos had taken the PEAK center back from his buddy's wife and returned it to the national team. The low class piece of shit is the guy who tried to provoke vatan foroosh red fans against team melli by accusing CQ of sabotaging Perspolis based on a training schedule that the lying snake had already agreed to MONTHS before. Low class piece of shit is the Croat lowlife that mocked team melli for not beating "wartorn Syria" and even claimed his players gain weight when training with the national team!

              And it does take a vatan foroosh mentality to do what red fans have been doing for the past two years, mocking team melli's results all over social media, attacking players and journalists who stick up for team melli, and even openly hoping we lose so they can get rid of the coach. If I had spent my entire life rooting for that club I would have turned my back on them after that disgusting display of treason for the past two years.

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                Originally posted by Ari View Post
                Branko hasn't got a leg to stand on. The above arguments show that he is not the most sophisticated man.... I mean Zlatko Dalic? The man, who is leading croatia to new levels in croatia? Why should he go and coach Iran instead? And why should Queiroz be afraid??

                Seyed Jalal? Why should Queiroz took him to the world cup, while we officially had the best defense at the world cup? I don't get it. I hope he is going to enlighten us more.
                His just a sore looser in my eyes, he hates the fact CQ has been TM for 2 WC and now going to be 2 Asian Cups with a real chance of winning it!
                Well I been away for a while!!!
                https://Beelits.com

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                  Did Branko seriously say Queiroz is afraid of Zlatko Dalic taking over Team Melli?

                  ..What in the hell is Branko smoking?..

                  Coach! What the hell are you on??

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                    I respect Branko as a coach but he seems to come across as a two faced liar. He kisses i.r.’s ass waaay too much.

                    Carlos is a great coach. But he on the other hand is very honest, sometimes too honest of a person lol. Which is a good thing when you’re surrounded by a bunch of mollah parast liars.

                    Carlos isn’t afraid to tell it how it is for the betterment of our football and that’s how these two differ. One kisses ass, the other kicks ass.

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                      Originally posted by Ari View Post
                      Seyed Jalal? Why should Queiroz took him to the world cup, while we officially had the best defense at the world cup? I don't get it. I hope he is going to enlighten us more.
                      We had the BEST defense in the entire tournament so far. And this jealous loser is babbling some nonsense about taking Seyed Jalal He's only saying that because he knows Jalal is popular with red fans. He's trying to provoke the idiots against team melli as usual.

                      https://www.fifa.com/worldcup/statistics/
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                        Originally posted by DR Strangemoosh View Post
                        I don't think we should be slinging mud at each other. But I find it really hard to understand why people would support a guy who had such a damaging long-term effect on TM which took well over a decade to reverse. His stifling of our development at such a crucial time was painful to watch at the time, but in particular his Dynamo Zagreb dallali crap and the effect it had on our most talented players.

                        I can't get past the dichotomy between supporting branko in any way,shape or form and being a TM supporter.


                        The Branko effect for TM.

                        - SPINELESSNESS: Sticking with one goalkeeper (Mirzapour) who was error-prone, and not even giving a chance to test other alternatives, and there were a few (contrast with CQ). Not altering his tactics and game plan, and keeping with the same formations/line-ups for every damn game. He just didn't want to experiment and try different players, he didn't like any chance. We had a series of very feeble performances in the 2005-early 2006 period but NOTHING was changed after them, and he had a lot more new talent at his disposal than his predecessors (remember poor Pourheidari who had a midfield of Fekri, Navazi, Halali to pick from)

                        - OUTSIDE INFLUENCE: Branko let himself be influenced too much by player agents such as Reza Fazeli who was in the TM camp for the World Cup, and we all know that it affected the team spirit. He also let Daei dictate matters far too much in terms of team selection.

                        - TEAM SPIRIT: Our team spirit was the worst for WC06 when players were even refusing to pass to each other, let alone speaking with each other (contrast with CQ and the tight-knit unit he has built)

                        - TACTICAL NONSENSE: After finally bringing Bayern Munich's Hashemian back into the fold, he pushed him out to the wing (absolute no man's land) to accommodate a stagnant Ali Daei, who was playing 90 minutes for every game, not even subbed out for young strikers to get a chance to get some game time.

                        - TROLLING: Bringing Khatibi back to TM, starting him and Enayati. Khatibi was a constant source of frustration, the worst finisher we have ever had internationally, how he had so many caps no one can explain (well, apart from Branko and Khatibi's agent at the time Fazeli probably).

                        - POOR TEAM SELECTION: When we had more talented players, I never understood why Branko picked Badavi, Alavi, Kameli Mofrad, Khatibi, Sattar Zare. He had a favoured group of players who he stuck with, who were worse than a number of their peers in IPL.

                        - OGHDEH - Falling out with his prized player (Mobali) when the latter refused to move to Dynamo Zagreb in 2005. At the time he was the only two-footed playmaker apart from Karimi and he was player of the year in IPL at the age of 21. He was just dropped after Branko's lajbaazi.

                        - STIFLING DEVELOPMENT - We had, at the time, arguably our brightest crop of aged 18-22 youngsters who all looked very talented (Kazemian, Mobali, Borhani). They weren't given enough playing time internationally to develop and ended up dwindling, as the coach just kept playing the same people for 90 minutes regardless of how they performed (contrast with CQ)
                        Well, dont forget an Asian games gold in Busan and a third place finish in the Asian cup, an intercontinental cup, a couple of WAFF cups and now back to back championships with Perspolis. Also Branko has won championships in UAE, China, Iran and Croatia.

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                          Originally posted by tooleh khers View Post
                          Well, dont forget an Asian games gold in Busan and a third place finish in the Asian cup, an intercontinental cup, a couple of WAFF cups and now back to back championships with Perspolis. Also Branko has won championships in UAE, China, Iran and Croatia.
                          None of those things mean a damn thing compared to:

                          - Qualifying straight to the world cup TWICE in a row for the first time ever, the second time without a single loss.

                          - Beating champions of Copa America and giving Argentina & Spain the fights of their lives, then damn near knocking Europe's champs out of the WC.

                          - Turning our defense from our Achilles' Heel to the best unit in the entire World Cup!

                          Perspolis won the leauge with Afshin Ghotbi and Ali Parvin too. It doesn't take genius to win the domestic league when you have some of the best players in the league AND you're one of the two teams in the country with a large enough base that turn most away matches into home games. Brangoh's only other honors outside Iran are in Croatia with a team that usually wins those titles with other coaches, and winning once in China before their league became the money magnet it is today.

                          CQ won the Youth World Cup twice and built Portugal's golden generation. According to Ferguson himself, he was the brains behind Manchester United in its most glorious era. Red fans in Iran are the only people in the world who would compare these two coaches! Most people outside Iran and Croatia don't even know who the hell "Branko" is.

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                            Originally posted by Irandoust View Post
                            But how about CQ's back and forth with that Portuguese player which started at the same time as with Branko?
                            Quaresma is a laat and provoked it with his idiotic comments.
                            Originally posted by Irandoust View Post
                            Or how about the fact that CQ's facebook page has been filled with hatred comments by the Portuguese fans?
                            CR fanboys. None of their comments make sense.
                            Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.

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                              Ali Karimi playing football-volleyball. Akhey, not only did Ali Karimi start cliques in the 2006 World Cup that destroyed the harmony of the team, but he is now doing it when he is not playing football.

                              Video: https://www.instagram.com/p/BknWAIrh...=goalnewspaper

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                                Originally posted by krol View Post
                                Most people outside Iran and Croatia don't even know who the hell "Branko" is.
                                My friend, believe me, there are many outside of Iran and Croatia familiar with br-AN-G0H ..... because he's been fired so many times by multiple clubs in different countries

                                Unfortunately, some have decided to either falsify or conceal certain aspects of br-AN-GOH's coaching record post-TM. I've posted this before, and it seems it needs to be posted again:

                                Prior to returning to Iran in April 2015, br-AN-G0H was unemployed for one and a half years; I can't think of any half-decent head coach that remains unemployed for such a long period of time. His last coaching job before PP was in his own country (with Dinamo Zagreb for the '13-'14 season) ..... which fired him after only five matches ! (This is the same team that he brags about making Croation league champs in '06-'07).

                                The season before that ('12-'13), he coached Al-Wahda in the UAE, which fired him after just one season! The season before that, ('11-'12) he coached Al-Ittifaq in KSA, which also fired him after one season. The season and a half before that (December 2009 - May 2011), he coached a team in the Chinese league, called Dong, lol, and was fired after only one and a half seasons! Notice a pattern of repetitive, short-term firings (from crappy teams as well)?

                                To put it charitably, a collective assessment of his coaching history, record/results, as well as the places where he coached post-TM, is not exactly enviable, lol. And the only reason he was even able to land those jobs (the Asian clubs in particular) was because he coached TM.

                                The bottom line is that br-AN-G0H only returned to Iran because no other club in any other country would offer him a job, not because he is an Iran doost, or other charb zabooni he routinely spews during interviews. I won’t forget how in 2006 he chickened out and fled like a scared crook instead of returning with the national team to Iran; in an interview with BBC Persia in 2013 he said that the reason for his non-return was that he wanted to go back to Germany and watch the rest of the WC, which is absolute bullshit, considering that CQ came back with the national team to explain himself and answer to the press prior to going all the way back to Brazil to watch the remainder of the tournament. br-AN-G0H could have returned to Iran, and answer to the press and media, and then even more easily return to Germany ..... but he didn't do that, and apparently some people are willing to overlook this.

                                If this beekar loser/reject had any shred of affection for Iran or its people, he would have accompanied his players back to Iran in '06 ..... but he didn't do that. Instead, he ran away and absconded like a scared dog, because he is a no good crook that is only interested in money. Importantly, he didn't want to be held accountable by the media for his "results", where his brilliant coaching got us eliminated from the tournament after just the second group stage match ..... unlike CQ, who had to make do with much more adverse economic & political obstacles, far worse preparation, a less talented squad ..... but still managed to have us in the running for a knockout stage presence on the final group day.

                                As a matter of fact, here is another "accomplishment" to add to br-AN-G0H's resume: br-AN-G0H is the only TM head-coach, post revolution, that failed to have TM in the running for a spot in the round of 16 on the third/final match day of the group stage; under Talebi in '98, we had to beat Germany, in 2014, we had to beat Bosnia, and in 2018 we had to beat Portugual ..... in other words, we still had a shot of advancing to the knockout round on the final day of the group matches .....but under the global reject, we were already eliminated before the final day.

                                br-AN-G0H wants Carlos's job, and he wants it so badly to the point that he will not hesitate to create needless friction to sabotage the harmony of the national team. Remember in late 2016, early 2017 when he made the statement that the NT players return from TM camps overweight!! When you consider the fact that when he made this statement, TM was the group leader in the qualifiers (despite playing more away matches than home matches), not to mention not conceding a goal ....it really makes you wonder what his intent and motivation was?

                                "I Like to Coach Iran at World Cup Once Again, Branko Ivankovic Says"

                                https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2...ivankovic-says

                                He is a filthy con artist/fraudster that hasn't hesitated to harm's Iran's national team so that he and his goons personally benefit. He is a joke of a so-called "coach", and is a total prick as a human being. He is doing the same thing he's been doing for the last two years, taking advantage of some dementedly treasonous PP fans who unabashedly put their club before heir own country, in order to create a bad atmosphere for CQ and the national team. He needs to be deported from Iran ASAP. I won't even address his absolutely despicable role in attempting to confiscate the PEAK facility ..... but as for the other things, just LOL.

                                2002 Busan Asian Games ..... lol, Japan used their under-19 team in the final, but we used, what was for all practical purposes a senior national team (many of those players either played or were on the roster during the failed '02 WCQ campaign), so nuff said. And lol at the Asian Cup; what a joke - Oman completely outplayed us, we should have lost that match, but thanks to the half-Iranian referee, Nosrati didn't get the red card he deserved for stomping the Omani player. We should have been reduced to ten men for the majority of the match ..... meaning Nosrati shouldn't have been on the field to score the equalizer to make the score 2-2 late in the match. This would have made the final group stage match against Japan a must-win game .... and given the problems against Oman, it is questionable whether we could have won against a team of Japan's caliber.

                                br-AN-G0H, you piece of vile filth: you screwed us over in 2006, and then you got fired by everyone everywhere else, you were unemployed for 1.5 years, and now you think you have a blank check to waltz right back on in into the same country that you fled like a scared dog, thinking its national team is your personal property, and that you can conspire with some low-lives to sabotage Team Melli's WC preparation programs and expel a world-class coach like CQ that has brought joy to Iran lovers ?!?! Yadet nareh .....be hararate choseh CQ ham nemiresee. Morabiyeh beekareh darajeh char ..... CQ has your # and he will take care of you

                                As for Ali Karimi, just F'N LOOOL; CQ has coached Zidane, Figo, Roberto Carlos, Brasilian Ronaldo, Casillas, Van Der Sar, etc ..... some of the best in the history of the game, so he can really give a damn about what you have to say

                                PS: As the headcoach of the Iran NT, CQ has a professional obligation to safeguard, defend, and advance the interests and needs of TM. If anyone, or entity (in this case a jealous loser, self-serving fraudster and his goons) attempts to threaten or undermine the national team's interests, CQ has EVERY FUCKING RIGHT TO EXPOSE THEM AND CALL THEM OUT ON IT. For the 2018 WC, the coaching staff and players had a specific objective, which was to advance to the round of 16 out of what was arguably the toughest group in the WC, and we almost did it, despite facing all kinds of various well-documented political, financial, economic, logistical restrictions that other teams do not have to deal with. So if this venomous snake, which has a history of stabbing Iran in the back, in any way undermined the preparation program of the national team, which most - but clearly not all - Iranians hold near and dear, CQ DID THE RIGHT THING by going after them.

                                GO GET THEM CARLOS
                                Zendebahd Iran

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