CQ just destroyed branko (porfossor poison) on live TV

[Ghermez Agha]

Love how Carlos roasted brangoh by exposing him on the Ukrainian player situation. Is Nokhodi one of CQs advisors?

All I can say after this interview is that I am debating naming my first born son Carlos this man is a true legend

[NFL]

I don't think we should be slinging mud at each other. But I find it really hard to understand why people would support a guy who had such a damaging long-term effect on TM which took well over a decade to reverse. His stifling of our development at such a crucial time was painful to watch at the time, but in particular his Dynamo Zagreb dallali crap and the effect it had on our most talented players.
I can't get past the dichotomy between supporting branko in any way,shape or form and being a TM supporter.
The Branko effect for TM.
- SPINELESSNESS: Sticking with one goalkeeper (Mirzapour) who was error-prone, and not even giving a chance to test other alternatives, and there were a few (contrast with CQ). Not altering his tactics and game plan, and keeping with the same formations/line-ups for every damn game. He just didn't want to experiment and try different players, he didn't like any chance. We had a series of very feeble performances in the 2005-early 2006 period but NOTHING was changed after them, and he had a lot more new talent at his disposal than his predecessors (remember poor Pourheidari who had a midfield of Fekri, Navazi, Halali to pick from)
- OUTSIDE INFLUENCE: Branko let himself be influenced too much by player agents such as Reza Fazeli who was in the TM camp for the World Cup, and we all know that it affected the team spirit. He also let Daei dictate matters far too much in terms of team selection.
- TEAM SPIRIT: Our team spirit was the worst for WC06 when players were even refusing to pass to each other, let alone speaking with each other (contrast with CQ and the tight-knit unit he has built)
- TACTICAL NONSENSE: After finally bringing Bayern Munich's Hashemian back into the fold, he pushed him out to the wing (absolute no man's land) to accommodate a stagnant Ali Daei, who was playing 90 minutes for every game, not even subbed out for young strikers to get a chance to get some game time.
- TROLLING: Bringing Khatibi back to TM, starting him and Enayati. Khatibi was a constant source of frustration, the worst finisher we have ever had internationally, how he had so many caps no one can explain (well, apart from Branko and Khatibi's agent at the time Fazeli probably).
- POOR TEAM SELECTION: When we had more talented players, I never understood why Branko picked Badavi, Alavi, Kameli Mofrad, Khatibi, Sattar Zare. He had a favoured group of players who he stuck with, who were worse than a number of their peers in IPL.
- OGHDEH - Falling out with his prized player (Mobali) when the latter refused to move to Dynamo Zagreb in 2005. At the time he was the only two-footed playmaker apart from Karimi and he was player of the year in IPL at the age of 21. He was just dropped after Branko's lajbaazi.
- STIFLING DEVELOPMENT - We had, at the time, arguably our brightest crop of aged 18-22 youngsters who all looked very talented (Kazemian, Mobali, Borhani). They weren't given enough playing time internationally to develop and ended up dwindling, as the coach just kept playing the same people for 90 minutes regardless of how they performed (contrast with CQ)

doc, two things.

one, I remember you from 2005 on this site and ISP posting the same stuff you are posting here, and in fact I was one of the members saying "some" of the very same things you are saying here. I can remind you of certain members here who used to have heated argument about Daie/Branko/hashemian..etc with you, me and other members here. but here is the thing, repeating the same thing over, and over, and over for decades on end, doesn't make them true. Mobali was not much of a talent. Borhani was shit, and kazemian even bigger shit. Branko left in 2006, where did these players go after that?

you say Moblai didn't go to Dynamo and that's why Branko didn't want Mobali anymore. Ok, I'll ask you, what kind of a player would say no to an offer to Dynamo? can you explain that to me? So based on your claim, I guess Branko must have facilitated the transfer of Sadegh Moharami to dynamo too, right? Is that a bad thing or a good thing? I don't get what you are complaining about. Branko got Mobali a deal to go to Dynamo and Mobali said no. what kind of stupid player would say no to that?

second, what the hell does any of these things have anything to do with what I have said here?

all I said was that Carlos Qeiroz is wrong about Branko wanting Taremi out of Persepolis and that if Branko dropping Ramin is an insult to TM, then dropping Seyd Jalal, who busted his ass to get us to the WC for Ashkan who hasn't played football in two years and is virtually retired from fotoball is even a bigger insult.


Please feel free to waste more bandwidth on how bad Branko was to us in 2006.

[naderb94]

I’m scared on the mindset who are actually defending Branko over CQ. This shouldn’t even be a debate. Branko isn’t even good enough to wipe CQs shoes.

[Irandoust]

I’m scared on the mindset who are actually defending Branko over CQ. This shouldn’t even be a debate. Branko isn’t even good enough to wipe CQs shoes.

In terms of coaching, there is no question that CQ is better than Branko. But CQ himself makes Branko equal to him when he starts a huge argument with Branko.

[Irandoust]

Quaresma is a laat and provoked it with his idiotic comments. CR fanboys. None of their comments make sense.

Look brother, you can't just say Quaresma and the Portuguese fans are wrong here and CQ is the good guy. That's like supporting CQ unconditionally even when he is wrong which he is in this case..
There is no question that CQ is a world class coach. But there is also no question that he has some major character issues. Even though he is 65 years old, he acts like a little kid most of the times.
He started a major issue with Branko in Iran and with Quaresma in Portugal at the same time, and in both cases he was the instigator.
Who in his right mind goes after a player which happens to represent his country Portugal while still in competition. Do You see the problem?
Instead of us talking about him and his teams accomplishments in this world cup, we are just talking about how he is getting better of Branko.
All he does is make Branko more popular and more innocent in the eyes of the millions of red fans throughout Iran.

[theworldgamer]

I honestly fail to understand who in the right mind would ever defend Brango over CQ?
Plus to remind everyone again, Brango started this debate by calling the name of Iran league players as players who played good after Spain game.
Just watching this video should be enough for those defending Brango.
انتقاد شديد علي کريمي از برانکو درهواپيما پس از جام جهاني آلمان. جرات نکرد با ما بیاد ایران https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpP9O5zzu9c

[karimi_jaadogar]

My dream TM coaching staff at the next World Cup:

Branko Ivankovic - Head Coach
Ali Karimi - Assistant Coach
Mehrdad Minavand - Assistant Coach
Khodadad Azizi - Conditioning Coach
Jalal Majidi - Analyst
Haj Rezaei - Analyst
Mehdi Rahmati - GK Coach
Zolfagharnasab - Technical Manager
Haj Mayelikohan - Equipment Manager
Nasser Ebrahimi - Media Relations

Forgot to add Houman Afazeli’s- PEC center after pa boosi request.
What are these guys upto 🤬

[Irandoust]

I honestly fail to understand who in the right mind would ever defend Brango over CQ?
Plus to remind everyone again, Brango started this debate by calling the name of Iran league players as players who played good after Spain game.
Just watching this video should be enough for those defending Brango.
انتقاد شديد علي کريمي از برانکو درهواپيما پس از جام جهاني آلمان. جرات نکرد با ما بیاد ایران https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpP9O5zzu9c

I don't think anyone doubts that CQ is a much better coach than Branko is.
However, by entering in needless arguments, it is CQ himself who brings the value of Branko up to his standards.
Whether we like to or not, at the moment, Branko is in charge of the Perspolis football club that has millions of fans across Iran. And most of these fans who understand football very well, are satisfied with Branko's performance in the last three years.
And in this particular case, when CQ goes to war with Branko, it is like he goes to war with the majority of these millions of die hard fans.
In the world of the professional sport, this is the worst idea because instead of creating unity, it creates unnecessary divisions among the Iranian football fans.
Branko's responsibility is only Perspolis which itself is a huge headache. But CQ's responsibility is the national team which is a much bigger headache to handle.
And this is exactly why it is going to back fire against CQ if he doesn't stop his nonsense now.

[St_Mark]

I don't think anyone doubts that CQ is a much better coach than Branko is.
However, by entering in needless arguments, it is CQ himself who brings the value of Branko up to his standards.
Whether we like to or not, at the moment, Branko is in charge of the Perspolis football club that has millions of fans across Iran. And most of these fans who understand football very well, are satisfied with Branko's performance in the last three years.
And in this particular case, when CQ goes to war with Branko, it is like he goes to war with the majority of these millions of die hard fans.
In the world of the professional sport, this is the worst idea because instead of creating unity, it creates unnecessary divisions among the Iranian football fans.
Branko's responsibility is only Perspolis which itself is a huge headache. But CQ's responsibility is the national team which is a much bigger headache to handle.
And this is exactly why it is going to back fire against CQ if he doesn't stop his nonsense now.

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• Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance
• Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration
• Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
• Exaggerate achievements and talents
• Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
• Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people
• Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior
• Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations
• Take advantage of others to get what they want
• Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
• Be envious of others and believe others envy them
• Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious
• Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office

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• Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment
• Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted
• React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior
• Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior
• Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change
• Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection
• Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation

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From my post-2016 on the same subject

http://www.persianfootball.com/forums/showthread.php?112776-TM-News&p=2386591&viewfull=1

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Conversations with a narcissist, especially if you disagree about anything that contradicts with their opinion of what is the gospel truth, are jam-packed with a barrage of covert manipulation tactics that are intrinsic to the narcissist and entrenched in their personality. They will make you wish you never disagreed with them in the first place and regret that you had ever dared to express your point of view. A simple disagreement will often incite an full fledged attack on you. Some how, they manage to twist the conservation so you wind up feeling like the bad guy/girl and while they assume the role of the innocent victim- of you.

CONVERSATIONS ARE NOT CONVERSATIONS, THEY ARE VERBAL COMPETITIONS
When you challenge your narcissist’s lies, discrepancies, groundless accusations, suggest that they are less than perfect, try to get them to understand your point of view, confront them on their cruel behaviors, or approach them about the lack of reciprocity in the relationship, the discussion will likely decay into a crazy making, chaotic, drama packed, mind-spinning, migraine induced headache that is intended to manage you down and punish you for suggesting or exposing a fact that doesn’t support their grandiose view of themselves or maintain their need to feel superior and in control.
Narcissists never enter into conversations. They enter into verbal competitions. Their goal is to win at all costs. They have no interest in seeking understanding, clarification, compromise or reaching a meeting of the minds. Their conversations are only meant to manipulate, confuse, control, destabilize, deflect accountability, cast doubt, distort reality and create drama.
ENABLERS AND TONGUE BITERS
Narcissists only surround themselves with people who are either so charmed by them that they blindly believe every word they say is true or people who have learned that it’s easier to keep their mouths shut rather than reap the wrath of expressing an opposing opinion.
"

[krol]

I don't think anyone doubts that CQ is a much better coach than Branko is.
However, by entering in needless arguments, it is CQ himself who brings the value of Branko up to his standards.
Whether we like to or not, at the moment, Branko is in charge of the Perspolis football club that has millions of fans across Iran. And most of these fans who understand football very well, are satisfied with Branko's performance in the last three years.
And in this particular case, when CQ goes to war with Branko, it is like he goes to war with the majority of these millions of die hard fans.
In the world of the professional sport, this is the worst idea because instead of creating unity, it creates unnecessary divisions among the Iranian football fans.
Branko's responsibility is only Perspolis which itself is a huge headache. But CQ's responsibility is the national team which is a much bigger headache to handle.
And this is exactly why it is going to back fire against CQ if he doesn't stop his nonsense now.

You keep rehashing these same points, most of which are false.

1. CQ did not start this feud. And he's not the one who has kept it going. BranGOH started all this by making the ridiculous accusation that CQ is trying to sabotage Perspolis, all based on the timing of the TM camp that the charlatan had already agreed to MONTHS before. At that point the stupid red fans started attacking CQ all over social media and it was only then that CQ responded. After that episode and the overwhelming support from a bunch of vatan foroosh idiots, Brangoh has repeatedly tried to provoke them again and antagonize CQ by making fun of team melli for not beating "wartorn Syria" and even claiming that red players gain weight every time they go to team melli camps. Just this week he made a racist remark against CQ by making references to his nationality. Red fans that don't see anything wrong with what Brangoh has been doing have no right to complain about CQ's response. To say that "going to war with Brangoh is going to war with red fans" is basically admitting that red fans are a bunch of sheep who will support the club coach no matter what, even if he's wrong, and even if they have to bash team melli! With that mentality, they and their club can all go to hell.

2. Most red fans who attack CQ don't know crap about football, as evidenced by their constant claims on social media that Brangoh is a much better coach based on beating teams like Padideh and Gostaresh! They're too dumb to understand that it doesn't take a genius or even a good coach to win the league when your club has more fans that most other teams combined and you have more stars than most other teams as well. Many of them are also vatan foroosh lowlifes who constantly bash team melli and openly say they hope it loses so they can get rid of CQ. This makes them unworthy of respect no matter how many they are. Akhoonds have millions of followers too. That doesn't mean they're right or respectable. If red fans were as reasonable and knowledgeable as you think, if they had any national pride, they wouldn't blindly support this charlatan against their country's team and wouldn't be so easily manipulated by him. I never thought I would see such blatant vatan forooshi as I've seen from red fans the past two years.

[Irandoust]

You keep rehashing these same points, most of which are false.
1. CQ did not start this feud. And he's not the one who has kept it going. BranGOH started all this by making the ridiculous accusation that CQ is trying to sabotage Perspolis, all based on the timing of the TM camp that the charlatan had already agreed to MONTHS before. At that point the stupid red fans started attacking CQ all over social media and it was only then that CQ responded. After that episode and the overwhelming support from a bunch of vatan foroosh idiots, Brangoh has repeatedly tried to provoke them again and antagonize CQ by making fun of team melli for not beating "wartorn Syria" and even claiming that red players gain weight every time they go to team melli camps. Just this week he made a racist remark against CQ by making references to his nationality. Red fans that don't see anything wrong with what Brangoh has been doing have no right to complain about CQ's response. To say that "going to war with Brangoh is going to war with red fans" is basically admitting that red fans are a bunch of sheep who will support the club coach no matter what, even if he's wrong, and even if they have to bash team melli! With that mentality, they and their club can all go to hell.
2. Most red fans who attack CQ don't know crap about football, as evidenced by their constant claims on social media that Brangoh is a much better coach based on beating teams like Padideh and Gostaresh! They're too dumb to understand that it doesn't take a genius or even a good coach to win the league when your club has more fans that most other teams combined and you have more stars than most other teams as well. Many of them are also vatan foroosh lowlifes who constantly bash team melli and openly say they hope it loses so they can get rid of CQ. This makes them unworthy of respect no matter how many they are. Akhoonds have millions of followers too. That doesn't mean they're right or respectable. If red fans were as reasonable and knowledgeable as you think, if they had any national pride, they wouldn't blindly support this charlatan against their country's team and wouldn't be so easily manipulated by him. I never thought I would see such blatant vatan forooshi as I've seen from red fans the past two years.

Lets just assume that brangoh is the instigator and is the devil in this situation. Why does CQ even need to answer this little unworthy of a coach to begin with?
Why can't CQ ignore this little man and request his needs for the training camps through the IFF?
The Perspolis fans are not blindly following brangoh, they follow him because he has been delivering results in the past three years.
If you follow the world football, you would know that if for example the head coach of England gets into war of words with say the head coach of Liverpool, the English Liverpool fans would put their support behind their beloved club rather than their country because they feel closer to their club than they feel to their country. It would be the same thing with the fans of Barca, AC Milan and everywhere else in the world.
So the red fans are not doing anything out of the ordinary. The blue fans will do the same if CQ takes on the current SS head coach. So, it is best for CQ to stop trying to win at all cost because it will come back and hunt him in the end.

[krol]

Lets just assume that brangoh is the instigator and is the devil in this situation. Why does CQ even need to answer this little unworthy of a coach to begin with?

Because he's the coach of the biggest club in Iran and keeps disrupting the national team training schedule and constantly provoking red fans against CQ and team melli... That's why. Every time he opens his mouth the coach and the players get attacked by thousands of vatan foroosh retards, and he has shown no sign of stopping. Just the fact that he made a racist comment against CQ this week proves what a lowlife he is.

Why can't CQ ignore this little man and request his needs for the training camps through the IFF?

He did that! That's when the piece of shit accused him of trying to sabotage perspolis and the moronic red fans fell for it. They have been against CQ and team melli ever since.

The Perspolis fans are not blindly following brangoh, they follow him because he has been delivering results in the past three years.

He has delivered nothing that others like Parvin and Ghotbi couldn't, and he couldn't even win the Hazfi Cup that Daei at least could. Even then, you're admitting that red fans are so vatan foroosh that they put their club above the national team.

If you follow the world football, you would know that if for example the head coach of England gets into war of words with say the head coach of Liverpool, the English Liverpool fans would put their support behind their beloved club rather than their country because they feel closer to their club than they feel to their country. It would be the same thing with the fans of Barca, AC Milan and everywhere else in the world. So the red fans are not doing anything out of the ordinary. The blue fans will do the same if CQ takes on the current SS head coach.

First of all, putting club above country is stupid no matter who does it, and second, it's actually funny you bring up Esteghlal, because SS fans never behaved like this. Before Brangoh even came back to Iran, Ghalenoei was attacking CQ left and right and even Rahmati got into problems with him, yet blue fans never turned their backs on team melli the way red fans did over the dumbest reasons. As I've said before, Perspolis doesn't have a normal fan base. It's basically a cult.

[Irandoust]

Because he's the coach of the biggest club in Iran and keeps disrupting the national team training schedule and constantly provoking red fans against CQ and team melli... That's why. Every time he opens his mouth the coach and the players get attacked by thousands of vatan foroosh retards, and he has shown no sign of stopping. Just the fact that he made a racist comment against CQ this week proves what a lowlife he is.


He did that! That's when the piece of shit accused him of trying to sabotage perspolis and the moronic red fans fell for it. They have been against CQ and team melli ever since.

He has delivered nothing that others like Parvin and Ghotbi couldn't, and he couldn't even win the Hazfi Cup that Daei at least could. Even then, you're admitting that red fans are so vatan foroosh that they put their club above the national team.

First of all, putting club above country is stupid no matter who does it, and second, it's actually funny you bring up Esteghlal, because SS fans never behaved like this. Before Brangoh even came back to Iran, Ghalenoei was attacking CQ left and right and even Rahmati got into problems with him, yet blue fans never turned their backs on team melli the way red fans did over the dumbest reasons. As I've said before, Perspolis doesn't have a normal fan base. It's basically a cult.

There is no point in having a discussion with you anymore as at this time you are only arguing to win at all cost, just like CQ.
Your mind is set up to support him no matter what and you will do your best to counter anyone who has an opinion against CQ even if they may be right.
So you win, CQ is always right, even if he maybe wrong once in a while. And he is the best coach in the world no matter what.

[euphory]

There is no point in having a discussion with you anymore as at this time you are only arguing to win at all cost, just like CQ.
Your mind is set up to support him no matter what and you will do your best to counter anyone who has an opinion against CQ even if they may be right.
So you win, CQ is always right, even if he maybe wrong once in a while. And he is the best coach in the world no matter what.

Baba chera vagheiataei ke mige ro ghabul nemikoni?? we are discussing with you because your little brain doesn't want to accept the facts! brangoh was a disaster for our footbal from day 1! if krol is discussing to win Just like CQ isn't that a good thing that CQ has and has implemented so good that even the fans discus to win? its a winner mentality, unlike brangoh who is a loser with NO balls whatsoever and hides behind his bitches karimi and the rest! just open your little brain for the facts kiddo and you might understand why things are the way they are now!

[krol]

There is no point in having a discussion with you anymore as at this time you are only arguing to win at all cost, just like CQ.
Your mind is set up to support him no matter what and you will do your best to counter anyone who has an opinion against CQ even if they may be right.
So you win, CQ is always right, even if he maybe wrong once in a while. And he is the best coach in the world no matter what.

I couldn't care less about winning an argument. But I do care a lot about team melli winning, and I want to make sure that the best coach we've had in our football history doesn't get sabotaged and run out of the country by some lying weasel who doesn't deserve to carry his shoes. Nothing Perspolis will ever do will be half as important as team melli making the country proud in the World Cup and Asian Cup. This last WC alone was worth more in terms of gaining respect for our football than anything Perspolis will ever do against Al-Kooft and Al-Zahremar in some bullshit tournament no one outside Asia cares about.