CQ just destroyed branko (porfossor poison) on live TV

[Irandoust]

I couldn't care less about winning an argument. But I do care a lot about team melli winning, and I want to make sure that the best coach we've had in our football history doesn't get sabotaged and run out of the country by some lying weasel who doesn't deserve to carry his shoes. Nothing Perspolis will ever do will be half as important as team melli making the country proud in the World Cup and Asian Cup. This last WC alone was worth more in terms of gaining respect for our football than anything Perspolis will ever do against Al-Kooft and Al-Zahremar in some bullshit tournament no one outside Asia cares about.

Fair enough.

[sarbaz]

I agree with Krol on this one.

[Irandoust]

I agree with Krol on this one.

Okay brother.

[qwert6]

There is no point in having a discussion with you anymore as at this time you are only arguing to win at all cost, just like CQ.
Your mind is set up to support him no matter what and you will do your best to counter anyone who has an opinion against CQ even if they may be right.
So you win, CQ is always right, even if he maybe wrong once in a while. And he is the best coach in the world no matter what.

Until we have sub animal AyRab Mafia running our soccer and a lot of other things in our country, when CQ says bemir, they should just succumb, no questions asked. Period!

As for the red team (does not deserve the precious name), of which I have been fan all my life, I want nothing but losses for them, until all the sub b@$t@%&$ purge!

[RaginG Inferno]

He started a major issue with Branko in Iran and with Quaresma in Portugal at the same time, and in both cases he was the instigator.

Incorrect on both counts. Quaresma went to the media straight after the game and criticised CQ for his press conference comments - in a very insulting way.

Branko has been criticizing and undermining CQ for a long time.

[Irandoust]

Until we have sub animal AyRab Mafia running our soccer and a lot of other things in our country, when CQ says bemir, they should just succumb, no questions asked. Period!

As for the red team (does not deserve the precious name), of which I have been fan all my life, I want nothing but losses for them, until all the sub b@$t@%&$ purge!

What you are asking will only occur after the islamic regime gets over thrown by the majority of the Iranians living inside. And from what has been going on since last December, the end of the regime gets nearer by each passing day and that is a good news.
But please don't forget that it was the same Ayrab Mafia who hired CQ in first place back in 2011.

[Irandoust]

Incorrect on both counts. Quaresma went to the media straight after the game and criticised CQ for his press conference comments - in a very insulting way.

Branko has been criticizing and undermining CQ for a long time.

There is not enough flexibility in the philosophy of the die hard CQ fans on this site, and so again there is no point in having anymore discussions over this issue.
Anything further than that will lead to nasty places which I am not interested to get into because this is just a football forum where Iranian football fans gather to exchange their knowledge of the game with one another in a peaceful manner and it is not worth to get serious at all, and I am learning that.

[DireStraits]

I have always been a fan of CQ. CQ is right about every thing he says about Branko, Karimi and others. I just thought he cheated us when we played against Portogal. CQ always had a surprise for the opponent. He changed the lineup
so the other side throw all the analyse of TM away. But against Portogal we played with our standard lineup. I believe it is in this regard Gucci left TM.
Todays game is a proof that Portogal was as good as we thought. They lost to Uruguay who hardy won KSA. I also believe there is going to go long time til Portogal becomes a top team in the world again.

[RaginG Inferno]

There is not enough flexibility in the philosophy of the die hard CQ fans on this site, and so again there is no point in having anymore discussions over this issue.

Well, when you make incorrect factual statements, be prepared to be corrected. The reasons underpinning your view were demonstrably false.

Characterising anyone who disagrees with you as a "die-hard CQ fan" is, of course, an ad-hominem argument.

[Irandoust]

Well, when you make incorrect factual statements, be prepared to be corrected. The reasons underpinning your view were demonstrably false.

Characterising anyone who disagrees with you as a "die-hard CQ fan" is, of course, an ad-hominem argument.

If you are not a die hard CQ fan, your comment and the timing of your comment surely made you look like one.
My general idea of CQ is this: He is one of the best defensive minded coaches of the world who for most part knows how to get results. He has gotten us into 2 back to back world cups and just earned us 4 points which to millions of Iranian football fans was more than satisfying.
But if his contract ends and is replaced by another coach of his caliber but more attack approach minded, then why not have a new fresh beginning?

[inarsenewetrust]

If you are not a die hard CQ fan, your comment and the timing of your comment surely made you look like one.
My general idea of CQ is this: He is one of the best defensive minded coaches of the world who for most part knows how to get results. He has gotten us into 2 back to back world cups and just earned us 4 points which to millions of Iranian football fans was more than satisfying.

But if his contract ends and is replaced by another coach of his caliber but more attack approach minded, then why not have a new fresh beginning?

I really want to give you a chance mate, but these arguments are getting progressively more retarded. In what fucking world do you think that IFF, who cant even organize 5 consecutively solid friendlies, and only now with the insistence of CQ built a facility that has a training pitch for the national team that is longer than 60 meters, can get a better coach, or one of the same caliber, who is willing to put up with their shit, and the shit of iranian football and society in general, for an extended period of time? Name one good reason why this assumption you made is even partially reasonable or to be expected.
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Not to mention, football isnt instant coffee, the guy that comes in will probably need at minimum one year packed with prepatory matches and camps to truly analyze and understand our level, EVEN BEFORE, he sets about implementing his philosophy and tactics, by which time he will likely be over his head in dealing with issues from coaches such as branko, ghalenoi, an incompetent federation,etc,etc,etc.

The way you are commenting makes me think you have followed iranian football for the past month, because anybody who has closely watched this for an extended period of time, over multiple years, will tell you, you are not making coherent sense.

[RaginG Inferno]

If you are not a die hard CQ fan, your comment and the timing of your comment surely made you look like one.

I would've thought that a member like you who has been here less than a month should a little more circumspect before assigning caricature-like labels to a member who has posted here for fifteen years.

I would've also thought that circumspection would be even more in order given that you made demonstrably false factual claims in making your argument.

My general idea of CQ is this: He is one of the best defensive minded coaches of the world who for most part knows how to get results. He has gotten us into 2 back to back world cups and just earned us 4 points which to millions of Iranian football fans was more than satisfying.
But if his contract ends and is replaced by another coach of his caliber but more attack approach minded, then why not have a new fresh beginning?

I think changing the coach this close to the Asian Cup is a mistake. However, after the Asian Cup, if we can get another coach of his calibre (which would be the first time in Iranian football history...), then it would obviously be foolish not to consider such an alternative.

[Irandoust]

I really want to give you a chance mate, but these arguments are getting progressively more retarded. In what fucking world do you think that IFF, who cant even organize 5 consecutively solid friendlies, and only now with the insistence of CQ built a facility that has a training pitch for the national team that is longer than 60 meters, can get a better coach, or one of the same caliber, who is willing to put up with their shit, and the shit of iranian football and society in general, for an extended period of time? Name one good reason why this assumption you made is even partially reasonable or to be expected.
.
Not to mention, football isnt instant coffee, the guy that comes in will probably need at minimum one year packed with prepatory matches and camps to truly analyze and understand our level, EVEN BEFORE, he sets about implementing his philosophy and tactics, by which time he will likely be over his head in dealing with issues from coaches such as branko, ghalenoi, an incompetent federation,etc,etc,etc.
The way you are commenting makes me think you have followed iranian football for the past month, because anybody who has closely watched this for an extended period of time, over multiple years, will tell you, you are not making coherent sense.

We all know that CQ's price is relatively high compared to some other coaches who are in the same level as he is. And so if for whatever reason, CQ decides to leave say after the Asian Cup, with the same price tag or maybe even little lower, we can find a good replacement for him.
Back in 2011, when the IFF was in loads of problems, Ali Kafashian managed to find and hire CQ.
So if it happened once, it can happen again. Don't you think?

[inarsenewetrust]

We all know that CQ's price is relatively high compared to some other coaches who are in the same level as he is. And so if for whatever reason, CQ decides to leave say after the Asian Cup, with the same price tag or maybe even little lower, we can find a good replacement for him.
Back in 2011, when the IFF was in loads of problems, Ali Kafashian managed to find and hire CQ.
So if it happened once, it can happen again. Don't you think?

No, I dont think. I look at history, before CQ we had one truly qualified manager, ivic, thats it. The rest were a constant stream of garbage. No coach has had the impact CQ has had on our football culture as a whole either.

[Irandoust]

I would've thought that a member like you who has been here less than a month should a little more circumspect before assigning caricature-like labels to a member who has posted here for fifteen years.

I would've also thought that circumspection would be even more in order given that you made demonstrably false factual claims in making your argument.


I think changing the coach this close to the Asian Cup is a mistake. However, after the Asian Cup, if we can get another coach of his calibre (which would be the first time in Iranian football history...), then it would obviously be foolish not to consider such an alternative.

Even though as you said, I am a new member in this forum, but believe it or not, I have been reading most of the comments from the members for many years. The reason why I only recently became a new member is because I could not register with my old email and for some stubborn reason, I refused to get a new one which I finally did last month and here I am.
Before becoming a member, I was kind of familiar with those who regularly post comments here because again I have been reading their comments for a long time. But even though you are one of the original members of this forum, I have not seen too many posts from you throughout years. Or if you have, because you share the Persian Football sign with few other original members, I have not fully recognized you.
Having said that, I was fully aware of your original membership when I replied to your comment yesterday. Unbeknownst to you, I was in the middle of a heated discussion with 2 other forum members who fully support CQ and his decisions when I saw your comment. And so at that time, I naturally thought that you made your presence in support of the other 2 members against me. That's why I said your comment and the timing of it makes you sound like his die hard supporter.
Anyway, even though sometimes emotions take charge of logic and make things more complicated than they need to be, there are no hard feelings from my part.