Iran's offense was a disaster [By the numbers]

[Adesor Vafaseya]

After reviewing this case with my friend, who knows everything, just to be sure we also called one of the most prominent football experts on earth, whose name I cannot reveal, but in short we all agreed that Iran’s offense was OK, given our game startegy.



PS: the expert also said PP > SS before he hang up the phone!

[Babak agha]

^Did he also say Azizi>Daei?

[Irandoust]

I don't know about everyone here, but I only expected us to lose "badly" (by a 2 goal margin) against Spain. We took the game to the Moroccans as well as the Portuguese. Looking at our offensive game of 2014 vs 2018, we were significantly better. We just couldn't capitalize on our chances.

This style of play has suited us for the past 4 years. For me, this WC was a success. Can you imagine the confidence that Beiranvand, Cheshmi, Ebrahimi, Rezaeian (4 players which everyone thought were the weak links in our team) will have heading into the Asian Cup? We did not have a lousy offense. Maybe we did not string a lot of passes together or held possession for very long, but we had more clear cut chances against our opponents.

This is a TM with a great potential and I see them getting stronger from here on out, irrespective of what some members here think.

I can't believe that TM is getting criticized for getting such a respectable 4 points. TV commentators and analysts were negative against TM for the game against Morocco and first half of Spain game. From the 2nd half of Spain and Portugal game, they were surprised and congratulated TM on the accomplishment. We played against the No. 4 ranked Portugal (European champions) and No. 8 ranked Spain (Barcelona and Real). We only conceded 2 goals and scored 1. What else do you want???

You make a lots of good and respectable points in your comments. But to answer your question of what else do we want? The answer is everything that THE has mentioned in his opening remarks, which is offensive football where our talented players create countless opportunities in the opposite goal. Pure and simple.

[inarsenewetrust]

You make a lots of good and respectable points in your comments. But to answer your question of what else do we want? The answer is everything that THE has mentioned in his opening remarks, which is offensive football where our talented players create countless opportunities in the opposite goal. Pure and simple.

its plain and simple,

The players we have CANNOT DO THAT, at least not at the time of this world cup. CQ knows these players more than any of us do, and even those of us that have seen our offensive players regularly, can affirm, they are talented, but not world beaters capable of going toe to toe with the worlds best defenders for 270+ minutes and getting the better of them. If we do this, not only will we fail to score enough (because AGAIN, we are not Brazil), but our defense will also be totally exposed, since our forwards are so integral to our defense as a whole. There were times we could have been more adventurous yes, but only slightly, and tbh I dont even think that comes down to tactics. The first halves of portugal and spain matches, the players themselves needed to be more brave and assured with the ball.

Look at world class forwards: Cavani and Suarez, today, had basically just two chances, which cavani scored both of. thats clinical and top class. There is a difference between cavani and taremi, with all due respect to mehdi.

[beevee]

You make a lots of good and respectable points in your comments. But to answer your question of what else do we want? The answer is everything that THE has mentioned in his opening remarks, which is offensive football where our talented players create countless opportunities in the opposite goal. Pure and simple.

AAhaaann, injast keh dasta roo misheh. So if we had played the offensive football that you want so purely and simply and lost all 3 games by several goals you'd be here saying let's hang CQ by the hoo hoos. But the fact that we played 3 of the best teams in this world cup that if all 4 teams were in 4 different groups would have made it thru doesn't matter to you. As long as there is something for you to bitch about. No?

[Irandoust]

its plain and simple,
The players we have CANNOT DO THAT, at least not at the time of this world cup. CQ knows these players more than any of us do, and even those of us that have seen our offensive players regularly, can affirm, they are talented, but not world beaters capable of going toe to toe with the worlds best defenders for 270+ minutes and getting the better of them. If we do this, not only will we fail to score enough (because AGAIN, we are not Brazil), but our defense will also be totally exposed, since our forwards are so integral to our defense as a whole. There were times we could have been more adventurous yes, but only slightly, and tbh I dont even think that comes down to tactics. The first halves of portugal and spain matches, the players themselves needed to be more brave and assured with the ball.
Look at world class forwards: Cavani and Suarez, today, had basically just two chances, which cavani scored both of. thats clinical and top class. There is a difference between cavani and taremi, with all due respect to mehdi.

You have logical points in your argument as well and make lot of sense on why our approach nowadays is defensive in nature.
However, the reason why fans of attacking football like myself have issues with CQ's totally defensive approach is because we believe, or at least I do, that despite all of our shortages, under the direction of an attacking minded coach, our National team can perform good attractive football and earn its victories like a big team.
My hope is that under Zlatco Cranchar, our U23 team will slowly begin to adapt a fresh new offensive approach. And if god willing we do qualify for the Olympics next time around, playing in the finals will be a great new opportunity to show our capabilities in approaching an attacking football.

[inarsenewetrust]

You have logical points in your argument as well and make lot of sense on why our approach nowadays is defensive in nature.
However, the reason why fans of attacking football like myself have issues with CQ's totally defensive approach is because we believe, or at least I do, that despite all of our shortages, under the direction of an attacking minded coach, our National team can perform good attractive football and earn its victories like a big team.
My hope is that under Zlatco Cranchar, our U23 team will slowly begin to adapt a fresh new offensive approach. And if god willing we do qualify for the Olympics next time around, playing in the finals will be a great new opportunity to show our capabilities in approaching an attacking football.

so essentially your saying that, for your personal entertainment, TM should play a more attacking style, in the hope of earning victories this way, like the top teams do. Sorry, but this isnt that logical of an argument.with all do respect, you must be aware, we are not a team team. We are a solid team, only because we play as a defensive unit, if we didnt, we'd be a pretty poor team. We have some decent talent upfront but no quality creative midfields or players who will dictate the play and get these forwards chances. Our best midfielders are destroyers. Whenever we played open in friendlies we saw the results (Turkey) exposing our individually relatively weak backline.

If you are in such desperate need of entertainment, please, go ahead and visit the circus. I heard its very entertaining there as well. For me personally, watching this defensive style of TM is way more than enough entertainment, because it actually allows us to be competitive against the worlds best. I would rather us lose to an unlucky richochet 1-0 to one of the best teams in the world, than score twice against them and lose 6-2. Im sure the rest of the board agrees.

I doubt there is one person here that actually dislikes attacking football, or would rather see capable teams (like Man Utd) play defensively. But you also must be realistic and work with what you have. As much as we love our players, Sardar is not Zlatan, Ansarifard is not muller, ARJ is not ribery, Amiri is not de bruyne, and Taremi is my no means cavani. Theres a reason why these players are labelled world class, and ours are labelled as, interesting talents, but mainly hard workers in an organized unit

[Irandoust]

so essentially your saying that, for your personal entertainment, TM should play a more attacking style, in the hope of earning victories this way, like the top teams do. Sorry, but this isnt that logical of an argument.with all do respect, you must be aware, we are not a team team. We are a solid team, only because we play as a defensive unit, if we didnt, we'd be a pretty poor team. We have some decent talent upfront but no quality creative midfields or players who will dictate the play and get these forwards chances. Our best midfielders are destroyers. Whenever we played open in friendlies we saw the results (Turkey) exposing our individually relatively weak backline.

If you are in such desperate need of entertainment, please, go ahead and visit the circus. I heard its very entertaining there as well. For me personally, watching this defensive style of TM is way more than enough entertainment, because it actually allows us to be competitive against the worlds best. I would rather us lose to an unlucky richochet 1-0 to one of the best teams in the world, than score twice against them and lose 6-2. Im sure the rest of the board agrees.

I doubt there is one person here that actually dislikes attacking football, or would rather see capable teams (like Man Utd) play defensively. But you also must be realistic and work with what you have. As much as we love our players, Sardar is not Zlatan, Ansarifard is not muller, ARJ is not ribery, Amiri is not de bruyne, and Taremi is my no means cavani. Theres a reason why these players are labelled world class, and ours are labelled as, interesting talents, but mainly hard workers in an organized unit

Historically, Iran's best players have mostly been midfielders, mainly play makers.
The reason why we don't have any creative midfielders is because CQ simply doesn't believe in them, and so since taking charge of the national team, he has never invested in CAMs.
There are many Iranian football fans who are simply tired of seeing only 30 to 35 percent of the possession being owned by Iran all the time. We want to see our boys to play football by keeping the ball among ourselves.
We want to see more of what Vahid Amiri did to Pique. Moves like that create excitement among the football fans in general. And I believe we have plenty of that in our arsenal, but CQ is not interested in that. And this is why this particular thread was started by THE.
And since I am a fan of Croatian type of possession football, I do hope that at least with the U23 side, we will get a chance to see that type of attractive football from our young players.

[DireStraits]

I have always supported CQ but this world cup he was not so good. Media in Portogal called him professor to give a good impression of him inside Iran. But truth is with so many good players we could use op front we ended the competition scoring two goals one own goal and a lucky penalty. Offensively we were disaster. Time has changed and foreign coaches are coming to Iran. We don't need to beg for coaches like Branko and CQ. We can easily hire new. If CQ wants to have respect for this presentation he is not going to get it from me.
Gucci said " I hope those who are holding the lights in the their hands hold them in the right place so the truth can be seen". I wonder what he means.

[Omids]

Not sure why you guys get into such long, protracted discussions with no conclusion in sight.

Let it go guys. All i know iran did very well in this WC. BACHEHA MOCHAKERIM!

[Irandoust]

Not sure why you guys get into such long, protracted discussions with no conclusion in sight.

Let it go guys. All i know iran did very well in this WC. BACHEHA MOCHAKERIM!

The point is that those who support this thread would like to see a different, more attacking approach from now on from the national team.

[bbbsyd]

I have always supported CQ but this world cup he was not so good. Media in Portogal called him professor to give a good impression of him inside Iran. But truth is with so many good players we could use op front we ended the competition scoring two goals one own goal and a lucky penalty. Offensively we were disaster. Time has changed and foreign coaches are coming to Iran. We don't need to beg for coaches like Branko and CQ. We can easily hire new. If CQ wants to have respect for this presentation he is not going to get it from me.
Gucci said " I hope those who are holding the lights in the their hands hold them in the right place so the truth can be seen". I wonder what he means.

Some reality! Thank goodness!
8 years and all we got was one goal in 2014, a OG and a penalty
Everyone here just makes excuses for the coaches shortcomings, we dont have, we cant, federation this that. As if we are the only poor ones in the world! There are less organised teams with more corruption etc but they to out and give it there best. I just want a team to go out and play there hearts out, have fun and play as a team beautifully. The second half of Spain game we saw glimpses of what we can ached! The rest is bullshit and excuses. CQ is not god for gods sake! We need a Iranian coach.

[Omids]

Some reality! Thank goodness!
8 years and all we got was one goal in 2014, a OG and a penalty
Everyone here just makes excuses for the coaches shortcomings, we dont have, we cant, federation this that. As if we are the only poor ones in the world! There are less organised teams with more corruption etc but they to out and give it there best. I just want a team to go out and play there hearts out, have fun and play as a team beautifully. The second half of Spain game we saw glimpses of what we can ached! The rest is bullshit and excuses. CQ is not god for gods sake! We need a Iranian coach.

Maybe you should follow Saudi Arabia, they go all out to score goals, seems like the way you like it.

[AsOen5]

Maybe you should follow Saudi Arabia, they go all out to score goals, seems like the way you like it.

Theese people would even cry for us playing defensively when we reached the finals with that.

[Foolad Khuzestan]

Reality is that Iran won by luck against Morocco , lets say it would have ended 0-0.
Then we lost to Spain, we could have played 0-0.
We played 1-1 against Portugal by a penalty which wasnt one.

That means in a little diffrent world Iran would go out without scoring a single goal and 1 point.



CQ knows and knew that iranian people are like this, just come back with 3 points after saying we have no chance against anyone.......... with so much players in offense we didnt even go for a goal.