Iran's offense was a disaster [By the numbers]

[krol]

"The", I'm done wasting time acknowledging your victim theatrics. It's bad enough I have to waste time repeating myself over and over to address your main points:

The justification had for our bad offense was that the teams we played were good. Well no crap, it's the world cup, basically every team is good.

Were Panama, Poland and Costa Rica on the same level as Portugal and Spain?... You honestly don't understand why our group was called The Group of Death?...

Morocco was in the same group as us, yet they managed to get more shots on net, and have a better passing percentage than us. South Korea played against good teams, same thing for them.

Korea was not in the same group as the European/African Champs and the La Liga All Stars! You really don't see this difference on your own?...
As for Morocco, their gameplan was not the same as ours and therefore stats like passing and possession are far more relevant to their tactics than ours. But if you still can't grasp that low possession/passing stats DO NOT necessarily equal bad offense for a team that DOES NOT rely on passing and possession, it's a waste of my time and yours to explain it for the fifth time.

[krol]

Playing Ultra-defensive will get you wins if you're team is packed with stars

So when your team is packed with stars, play ultra-defensive Only go all-out attack when the other team is a lot stronger than yours)

Genius!

(And he wonders why he gets talked down to)

[RaginG Inferno]

When adults supposedly near 30 years old and older keep repeating the same uninformed arguments after being repeatedly shown they're wrong, it's not "ad hominem" to bring it up to them. Being willfully ignorant and stubborn is not cute. And there's nothing wrong with being blunt about it as long as you respect the forum rules.

Your first reply to his comment was clearly ad-hominem, so I would suggest that you attacked him personally before he even responded to your first post.

It's fine to be blunt, but it's another thing to insult. I reckon you're straddling that border. All that does is entrench people in their positions. I disagree with the guy, but look how I responded.

It's just football. People can differ in their opinions - and people can be wrong.

[Philosophy_King]

"The", I'm done wasting time acknowledging your victim theatrics. It's bad enough I have to waste time repeating myself over and over to address your main points:

Were Panama, Poland and Costa Rica on the same level as Portugal and Spain?... You honestly don't understand why our group was called The Group of Death?...
Korea was not in the same group as the European/African Champs and the La Liga All Stars! You really don't see this difference on your own?...
As for Morocco, their gameplan was not the same as ours and therefore stats like passing and possession are far more relevant to their tactics than ours. But if you still can't grasp that low possession/passing stats DO NOT necessarily equal bad offense for a team that DOES NOT rely on passing and possession, it's a waste of my time and yours to explain it for the fifth time.

So why are you doing this again and again?

The is supporting CQ, he is supporting TM,
the only thing this bande khoda is trying, is to point out some negative
aspect so that TM hopefully gets even better than now. We all want
TM to be better and better. And we are all pleased with the results,
with the gheyrat with CQ and so on. The only issue is our passing
game and i am 100% sure that even CQ would recognize that.

You did all this stuff also with me (telling me that i am not
a true TM-fan, that i am blind/ignorant etc.) and you really should stop treating
people here so respectless!

[Babak agha]

Because some people sadly can't see it. As evidenced by me having to explain the same thing again!
No, it's not freaking "weird". Those offensive stats like possession and passing are bound to look "bad" because our offense is not built around them, but rather on letting the opponent have possession, then closing their passing lanes and forcing them to keep passing under pressure, looking to dispossess them and launch quick counterattacks as they try to shift back to defense. Just because those stats are "bad" doesn't mean our offense was bad, as evidenced by the fact that we had just as many close chances against Spain and Portugal as they had against us.

So what are you saying exactly my friend? I don't know if you know, but we both are saying that we did great defensively (even though I don't know why we are even discussing this).

Are you saying that our offensive play/tactic was also world class and one of the better ones in this WC (forget total passes/possession, what about success rate of the passes)? If yes, then I have nothing more to say, good day to you sir and watch out not getting a heart attack from the raised blood pressure

[krol]

There is differences of opinion, and then there is a constant pattern of hyping negativity that after a while looks more like an agenda than a simple disagreement. Anyone who has followed this member's posts can see that he has a habit of harping on ANY negative thing he can find about this team, and he refuses to acknowledge when others explain to him why he's wrong. The title of this thread by itself is a disgrace. And I may be a little sensitive to it after two years of constant attacks and concern trolling against this team by people with obvious agendas.

Now if talking about this stuff openly is against the rules, the mods can tell me to get lost and probably save me some aggravation too! But I'm not really interested in lessons in manners from members who aren't mods. This is my last post on this specific subject. The mods can handle it from this point forward.

[Pedram123]

My opinion is that in this forum we only mention the positives - It is impossible that there are absolutely ZERO mistakes or negatives in our play that cannot be improved upon.
We can always improve and as a forum we should be able to discuss these things.
Even if the positives out-weigh the negatives, there should be no reason for personal attacks when pointing out ones own opinion.

There is differences of opinion, and then there is a constant pattern of hyping negativity that after a while looks more like an agenda than a simple disagreement. Anyone who has followed this member's posts can see that he has a habit of harping on ANY negative thing he can find about this team, and he refuses to acknowledge when others explain to him why he's wrong. The title of this thread by itself is a disgrace. And I may be a little sensitive to it after two years of constant attacks and concern trolling against this team by people with obvious agendas.

Now if talking about this stuff openly is against the rules, the mods can tell me to get lost and probably save me some aggravation too! But I'm not really interested in lessons in manners from members who aren't mods. This is my last post on this specific subject. The mods can handle it from this point forward.

[krol]

Are you saying that our offensive play/tactic was also world class and one of the better ones in this WC (forget total passes/possession, what about success rate of the passes)?

I'm saying that while our offense was not "world class", it was not remotely as "disastrous" as being made out to be. Someone else already explained why our style increases the likelihood of errant passes. It's easy to have high passing accuracy when you're Spain and keep passing the ball laterally to your nearest teammate all game. Our style involves a lot of direct, medium/long vertical passes once we dispossess the opponent, decreasing the odds of connecting.

Now if you still don't get what I'm trying to say, I think it's best if we both give up... because if I have to repeat myself one more time I just might get that heart attack you were talking about

[krol]

My opinion is that in this forum we only mention the positives - It is impossible that there are absolutely ZERO mistakes or negatives in our play that cannot be improved upon.
We can always improve and as a forum we should be able to discuss these things.

That clearly wasn't my point. Discussing the negatives is one thing, but obsessing with them and dismissing the positives is another. With some members here the latter is obviously the case. Especially when you see who they DO like. (And I'm not necessarily talking about "The" here).

Now for the last time, if you think someone has insulted you, complain to the mods and ask for the bad people to be punished. Don't talk to me about this stuff if you're not a mod. Sorry.

[Omids]

The fact that we got 4 point in a tough group itself says a lot and this over analysis is just nonsense. All the football pundits were super impressed how Iran in both its games against Spain and Portugal created more dangerous chances then both those teams, and how it could completely changed its play pattern when needed. If Ansarifard or Taremi or Amiri or Sardar had put away one of the chances they had we would not be having this discussion. It’s is as close as that.

[Babak agha]

I'm saying that while our offense was not "world class", it was not remotely as "disastrous" as being made out to be. Someone else already explained why our style increases the likelihood of errant passes. It's easy to have high passing accuracy when you're Spain and keep passing the ball laterally to your nearest teammate all game. Our style involves a lot of direct, medium/long vertical passes once we dispossess the opponent, decreasing the odds of connecting.

Now if you still don't get what I'm trying to say, I think it's best if we both give up... because if I have to repeat myself one more time I just might get that heart attack you were talking about

That's exactly what I said in my first post :P

Anyways I think all of us are saying the same thing more or less. No need to be so sensitive.

[krol]

^It's not being sensitive. No sane person likes having to repeat one simple point over and over again.

[Babak agha]

^Well that's the problem really, I don't know how many posts we are further now, eventually coming to the conclusion that what you are trying to say is exactly what I said in the first place. So why did you repeat yourself? :P

I'm busting your balls now, I know. But having a laugh wouldn't hurt you right now

[krol]

^ Actually if you want to get technical we weren't talking about the same thing, otherwise you wouldn't have found it weird that we praise the defensive stats and don't care about the offensive ones
(And leave my balls alone!)

[saeed_noro]

Yea, we almost qualified, tough opponents, bacheha motchakereem, and all that Jazz, but here are some concerning stats:

Iran had the lowest pass completion (68%) of any team this world cup. Not even by a little. The next worst team was Iceland at 72 %, followed by Sweden at 78%. Also the least total passes With 436.

Iran also ranked last with 4 shots on net Total.

We also got dominated in possession in every game we played.

This isn't sustainable, and if it was not for a lucky last minute own goal against Morocco and a very questionable late Penalty against Portugal, Iran would be goalless this world cup.


Doesn't matter if it's CQ or someone else, but by the next world cup we really need to focus on building up plays and passing the ball more.

exactly.

we need now more ball possesion football. technically we are good, and we can do it. we need to train harder, to circle the ball, to find out how to do it, how to copy it, and with the good defensive and reaction football we have, to combine all this tools to become a good strong football team. If our team have the ball, the oponent can not score. never forget this easy rule.