Human Afazeli now destroys CQ

[Doctor DOOM]

lol.
Human seems to have forgotten what the entire country said when the WC draw was made.
aside from the bravado, we all knew this couldn't get any tougher & more difficult for us. And many like me said even if get 2 points from this group, I'd call it an achievement.

so suddenly he is disappointed?

yes, some events worked in our favor. And I, personally, would have liked to have seen more attacking football.
But lets not get ahead of ourselves. We, in terms of standards, were waayyy behind Morocco, let alone Portugal & spain.

He has some valid points. But he shd keep the perspective and our abilities in mind before expressing disappointment why we didn't advance from the freaking GROUP OF DEATH!!!!!!

ridiculous

[teammelli8080]

Yes we did finish on four points, but in reality this was only due to a very very lucky win against Morocco, which people seem to forget. I keep on hearing how great CQ did and how we almost qualified for the second round if it wasn't for Taremi's miss... but no one mentions that our victory over Morrocco involved a large amount of luck, without which we would have finished on 2 points. Other then the Azmoun one on one in the Morocco game, iran didn't manage to create a single goal scoring opportunity from open play (broken plays not included).

I don't understand this mentality. First of all Iran kept the pressure up and created the situation for the own goal to be possible: Saman's tenacity in getting the foul, the perfect cross from Ehsan, and streaking players in the back that would have overwhelmingly likely scored had not the OG occurred.

But more importantly, football always has a bit of luck this way or that way. If we got a bit lucky with Morocco, Diego Costa got insanely lucky with his bouncy-ball knee-goal, Taremi was unlucky not to score on the header vs Spain, Portugal was lucky not to play with 10 men, Taremi was unlucky not to score the final goal.

How far are you willing to take this defeatest mentality? Was Gucci lucky to score on SK to qualify for WC 14? Maybe we shouldn't have played in that world cup?? Was Iran lucky to have a hooligan rip down the net in Australia in '97 thereby slowing Aussie momentum and allowing us back in the game? Maybe we shouldn't have been in WC98.

Don't forget Iran's own goal in WC78 led to a 1-1 tie w Scotland rather than a 3 pt win. An own goal that ended arguably our most dominant footballing generation.

[pas-bedeh]

Some members here seem to think we have better facilities and long-term opportunities compared to Morocco. Let me remind those people that 16 of the players for Morocco weren't even born in Morocco. A quick search will show you that these players were born in France, Netherlands, Spain, Italy... and have continued to ply their trade in those leagues.
That means that they were in top European league youth systems from the very start, which is very different than playing in the streets until you eventually get a break to play for an organized youth team - still, with limited money and facilities. Please don't compare the two!

[persianallstars]

well from an objective point of view, he is right criticizing CQ because by doing so he gets the attention which he was lacking from Iranian media. Now they quote Afazeli and at least people start talking about him! Typical move if you try to make yourself important although in fact Afazeli is the opposite and by his lack of knowledge, he has proven his weakness to everybody.

[Adesor Vafaseya]

Some younger members don't know but Houman Afazeli was a PFDC Forum Staff and also very valuable member (username "houman") with insight to TM when he was working under Blazevic and later Ivankovic. He doesn't post anymore since over 10 years or so but sometimes occasionally does visit the forums and reads our threads.
We can all disagree with him or agree with him, but I request all to please use a cleaner language and some sort of respect to our former forum staff.

He has a different opinion on CQ than most of us, and he has the right to have his own opinion and even go public. He didn't insult or use bad language talking about the person he criticizes, and so neither he deserves bad and insulting language from others.

Keep it clean! Plz!

[OFFSIDE_1]

There are a lot of young experienced international coaches who cost considerably less then CQ. The Moroccan coach for example has shown to be a great offensive minded coach and would cost little money.

A coach doesn't have to be a big name coach to be good. Even the big ones were at some point in their careers unknown.

The fact that we still don't have high caliber Iranian coaches is also another testament to CQ not being as good as his fanboys like to claim in 8 years he could have passed his knowledge to plenty of Iranian coaches but hasn't since he usually works with foreign coaches and doesn't get along with Iranian coaches. Not that blame lies with him only, obviously the federation and Iranian clubs are also to blame for this.

can you please elaborate what you think IR would do with the money saved by hiring a less expensive coach ? I guess you must think IFF has a long track record of using money wisely and any money saved on hiring a cheap coach will be directly used for building infrastructure for our footballing nation ......

[tooleh khers]

lol.
Human seems to have forgotten what the entire country said when the WC draw was made.
aside from the bravado, we all knew this couldn't get any tougher & more difficult for us. And many like me said even if get 2 points from this group, I'd call it an achievement.

so suddenly he is disappointed?

yes, some events worked in our favor. And I, personally, would have liked to have seen more attacking football.
But lets not get ahead of ourselves. We, in terms of standards, were waayyy behind Morocco, let alone Portugal & spain.

He has some valid points. But he shd keep the perspective and our abilities in mind before expressing disappointment why we didn't advance from the freaking GROUP OF DEATH!!!!!!

ridiculous

Honestly if this was dubbed the group of death before at least after we know that it was not so. Both these teams lost in the next round to the group A teams. I think we unfortunately are guilty of playing football on paper again and missed a great opportunity to make history.

[KC McElroy]

Honestly if this was dubbed the group of death before at least after we know that it was not so. Both these teams lost in the next round to the group A teams. I think we unfortunately are guilty of playing football on paper again and missed a great opportunity to make history.

It never was a group of death. Most people simply confuse group of death with a difficult group for the lower seeded teams. Our group had two clear favorites.

[inarsenewetrust]

It never was a group of death. Most people simply confuse group of death with a difficult group for the lower seeded teams. Our group had two clear favorites.

yes but given the closeness of each match (either tie or decided by one goal), AND given the fact it was still this close even with two clear favorites, makes it the group of death.

[KC McElroy]

yes but given the closeness of each match (either tie or decided by one goal), AND given the fact it was still this close even with two clear favorites, makes it the group of death.

The group had two clear favorites. A group of death does not have clear favorites.

[tooleh khers]

It never was a group of death. Most people simply confuse group of death with a difficult group for the lower seeded teams. Our group had two clear favorites.

I agree. This was the weakest "group of death" ever.

[inarsenewetrust]

The group had two clear favorites. A group of death does not have clear favorites.

KC you can repeating the same thing over and over again it doesnt make your argument any better or more insightful. With the current seeding system, it is impossible to have a group of death, because any two teams from pot 3 and 4 are inferior to portugal/spain. But based on performance, our group was the group death as all matches were so close and no team was clearly better in performance than any other team. This was the only WC group like this in Russia. Therefore, for this WC, our group can be considered if not a group of death, the most difficult and competitive group to advance from.

[DR Strangemoosh]

The group had two clear favorites.

Disagree. Many in the big podcasts (football weekly, totally football, bbc, times) were hyping Morocco, not just as a "potential upset" but as a team which was likely to beat either Spain or Portugal ... based on many factors which include their qualifying performance in the hardest african qualifying group, their coach, style of playing etc...

Again, there is a marked disparity between North American tipping and European punditry with how a team like Morocco was seen.

So I would say the group had three strong teams (morocco, spain, portugal) and one potential dark horse (Iran).

[KC McElroy]

KC you can repeating the same thing over and over again it doesnt make your argument any better or more insightful. With the current seeding system, it is impossible to have a group of death, because any two teams from pot 3 and 4 are inferior to portugal/spain. But based on performance, our group was the group death as all matches were so close and no team was clearly better in performance than any other team. This was the only WC group like this in Russia. Therefore, for this WC, our group can be considered if not a group of death, the most difficult and competitive group to advance from.

Thank you. It's precisely what I have been saying and why this wasn't a group of death. You simply confuse group of death with difficult group for lower seeded teams.

[KC McElroy]

Disagree. Many in the big podcasts (football weekly, totally football, bbc, times) were hyping Morocco, not just as a "potential upset" but as a team which was likely to beat either Spain or Portugal ... based on many factors which include their qualifying performance in the hardest african qualifying group, their coach, style of playing etc...

Again, there is a marked disparity between North American tipping and European punditry with how a team like Morocco was seen.

So I would say the group had three strong teams (morocco, spain, portugal) and one potential dark horse (Iran).

So there weren't two clear favorites in the group?