Can IPL (or a non-EU league) become one of the best league in the world one day ?

[PSGman#19]

Do IPL (or any non-European league) can manage to develop into one of the best league of the world, similar to the current Liga, Bundesliga e.g?
Of course with proper management, investment, academy, money.

Your thoughts?

[KC McElroy]

J-League or MLS many, many years down the road.

[O-ZoNe]

J-League or MLS many, many years down the road.

Ummmm what?! Mexico Liga MX, Brasilian Serie A just a few leagues that are already world class and riddled with decent talent.

[KC McElroy]

Ummmm what?! Mexico Liga MX, Brasilian Serie A just a few leagues that are already world class and riddled with decent talent.

Yes but they have been in existence decades longer and one would think they have already peaked and if they were gonna be the same level as La Liga they would have gotten there already. J-League and MLS are newer and are still improving each year.

[O-ZoNe]

Yes but they have been in existence decades longer and one would think they have already peaked and if they were gonna be the same level as La Liga they would have gotten there already. J-League and MLS are newer and are still improving each year.

Both those leagues are reincarnation of other leagues. The JSL was in existence in the 1960s and evolved to the JLeague in the early 1990s. Plus look at the talent pool that Liga MX and Brasil Serie A have as compared to JLeague and MLS. All the future and current stars leave the MLS and they along with JLeague don't nearly have the talent levels and pools to draw on as Mexico, Brazil, or Argentinian league do...eg. most promising homegrown stars is a 17 year old kid who just committed to Bayern after this season...but everyone knows River Plate, Boca Juniours, Corinthians as big clubs!

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[KC McElroy]

Both those leagues are reincarnation of other leagues. The JSL was in existence in the 1960s and evolved to the JLeague in the early 1990s. Plus look at the talent pool that Liga MX and Brasil Serie A have as compared to JLeague and MLS. All the future and current stars leave the MLS and they along with JLeague don't nearly have the talent levels and pools to draw on as Mexico, Brazil, or Argentinian league do...eg. most promising homegrown stars is a 17 year old kid who just committed to Bayern after this season...but everyone knows River Plate, Boca Juniours, Corinthians as big clubs!

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As far as current talent the leagues you mention are definitely better. But I am talking about the growth curve. The curve for the leagues you mention have flattened out while the J-League and MLS are still rising and thus have a chance of passing Brazil or Mexico's league and possibly catching up to the top leagues of Europe.

[FF187]

Do IPL (or any non-European league) can manage to develop into one of the best league of the world, similar to the current Liga, Bundesliga e.g?
Of course with proper management, investment, academy, money.

Your thoughts?

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[DJ Alborz]

Do IPL (or any non-European league) can manage to develop into one of the best league of the world, similar to the current Liga, Bundesliga e.g?
Of course with proper management, investment, academy, money.

Your thoughts?

Sorry. I'm gonna type an essay here because I had a long chat about this with a friend when discussing which Asian league is the best.
But I think you're thinking too far ahead!
Before we can think of catching up to Spain, England, Germany in terms of league infrastructure, first we must catch up to our AFC counterparts!

I pretty much view the basis of the comparisons in terms of "the rankings" , the stars (more stars = more fans = more exposure for all players in general) and the infrastructure.

So first of all, in terms of "the rankings", China, South Korea, Japan, UAE and Qatar are all ahead of us! ( full ranking and the methodology is explained here )

But I think in terms of natural talent, we can outmatch the UAE and Qatar leagues, without considering the rest.
So we should focus more on catching up to China, Japan and Korea for the stars and infrastructure...


When the Chinese super league has Paulinho (Brazil NT and just had a year long holiday to win the league in Barcelona ha), Oscar (26 yr old in his prime went from Chelsea), Hulk (famous for his stardom at Porto), Renato Augusto (played for Brazil in Russia this summer), Yannick Carrasco (24 yr Belgian transferred from Atleti in his prime but this is due to Atleti's Wanda ownership) and Gaitan (again in his prime but due to Atleti's Wanda ownership)...
It's clear to see that they have more stars and thus more global exposure.

This is proven when we look at their league's media outreach, as their games are broadcast on Sky sports in the UK, Fox Sports in Latin American countries, etc. The only real major TV market they are missing out on is US (but I presume US media market will avoid a lot of Asian leagues due to time differences...)

Then you have their sponsorships and money in their leagues. I mentioned earlier the transfers of Carrasco and Gaitan, this is because Atletico Madrid is owned by Wanda, the chinese congolomerate, and thus they send a lot of stars back to Asia to boost the league's profile and also benefit from their play. The closest thing to this that Iran has is the Iranian ownership of Charleroi in the Belgian league, but this is working in reverse (sending Iranian players abroad rather than to Iran...

So it's easy to see why they are ahead of Iran. More stars, more money, better media and better infrastructure.


Then there is the South Korean league. This league was hit by a huge match fixing scandal a few years ago ( https://www.soccerex.com/insight/art...up-competition ). And to be honest, they still haven't learned from their lessons as there are some companies who own more than 1 team in the league! e.g. Hyundai actually own two teams in the top flight and Posco the world's largest steel manufacturer) actually owns two teams again!
This obviously can lead to some issues, e.g. if Hyundai's main team needs 3 points to win the league, then their 2nd team will make sure to lose to them on purpose.

But with those big names and also others like Samsung and LG, they have some global names in their league's ownership.
This again makes it easy to see why they have more money and better infrastructure than Iran.

In terms of stars, Japanese and Korean culture is very humble so stardom isn't particularly welcome actually, however despite this, once again their media outreach is decades ahead of Iran. There are no big media markets (in fact no K League games are broadcast in the top European TV markets at all!), however the second tier Asian TV markets (more viewers but hardly any money at all), such as Israel (Sport 5 TV), Vietnam (VTVcab) and Malaysia (RTM state broadcaster), all result in Korea's league having a lot of exposure throughout Asia.

And on top of this, they have a global streaming service (similar to Netflix) ( https://www.sportcal.com/News/Search/117943 ) so that fans of the league can watch all games live or on-demand. Imagine this for the Iranian diaspora! Instead of having to watch illegal re-streams of Iran's Channel 3 online in poor quality...



Then Japan's J League. Once again, Japanese and Korean culture is very humble so stardom isn't particularly welcome actually, however they have stars who seen as "more mature" or "likeable". So although you'd never see the Latin American big stars going there, you do have older, humble players like Iniesta or Podolski in the Japan league.

In terms of media coverage, it's no contest with Iran. J-League is on sportidigtal in the German speaking nations (same channels shows Brazilian and Argentinian leagues), as well as the highlights rights being owned by Eurosport. Furthermore, Japan has commericalised streaming rights too, with livesport.tv and DAZN owning the global streaming rights between them.

And for infrastructure, I'm sure I don't need to mention how stadiums, transport and development bases are all world class in both South Korea and Japan. I mean they co-hosted the world cup relatively recently, so they had to upgrade everything prior to that!



So basically, until Iran allows the Iranian league to actually make money from their TV broadcasts (currently State TV shows matches for free), or sets up a streaming service or atleast sells off the the global streaming rights like Japan did, or brings in more stars like China, or improves our training bases and stadiums, or sets up better transport for our teams, or at the very least they should put together a plan to do these in the future!
Otherwise, how could we ever even imagine the IPL catching upto La Liga or the Premier League, when we can't even focus on Asia first?

[forzatm]

IPL has a long way to go when their biggest foreign star ever is Taribo West.

[Azeem98]

Being the Best league also means to have a club culture, loyalties.

Not even Brazil has the same club culture anymore like Europe. Lots of empty seats even during matches between big teams.

Apart from big clubs in Iran do small clubs have loyal fan following ?

Argentina has the potential to become the best league outside of Europe.

[Medzdidz]

It will take a long time for any of these leagues outside Europe to become a major league in terms of he Premiership etc.
One of the problems being that the best talent is quickly signed up into an European League, with regards to Brazil and America a lot of there new young talent has a desire to play in Europe and develop there due to the infrastructures of their youth systems and training grounds etc.
The MLS in terms of attendance is actually on the rise, new teams like Atlanta have expanded the attendance records but the problem is that it is seen as a retirement home for older European players and now the same thing is happening in Japan.
Also as was mentioned before a lot of work needs to be done on match fixing and rules over ownership, the amount of times in Japan the team playing better gets a player sent off and then loses 1-0 is astonishing. I know this because it screws up my bet every week
In regards to the IPl due to the restrictions on the economy and Government restrictions it will be a long time before it could even come close to a top league but its first target should be within Asia.

[PSGman#19]

In my opinion, it will be impossible for a non-european league to become one of the best. Indeed Europe in the center of the world, has the UEFA champions league (every players dreams to play it) and a good concentration of top leagues.

Mexican league did a good job with their league but they can't attract top players and top coach. Argentina and brazilian league relies on individual talents and it seems there is drought there (specially argentina).

[persianallstars]

vallah, with this kind of infrastructure our clubs are continuously confronted, I suppose we better stick to "energy hastei".... (irony off)....

[GoIran]

Ummmm what?! Mexico Liga MX, Brasilian Serie A just a few leagues that are already world class and riddled with decent talent.

Is Liga MX that good? They always suck at the club World Cup. Teams from Africa and Asia have done better than them.

[O-ZoNe]

Is Liga MX that good? They always suck at the club World Cup. Teams from Africa and Asia have done better than them.

Comparable to Belgium or Russian league I'd say.

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