RUMOR: COLOMBIA WANT TO SIGN QUEIROZ AFTER ASIAN CUP

[FutbolGods]

^^Who gives a fuck if someone knows who’s branko or not. Coaches quality doesn’t come from popularity. Nobody knew who zlatko dalic was until a few months ago and look what he did with with Croatia.

Dalic had, position by position, one of the best teams in the entire tournament and a favorable draw that had them only facing Denmark and Russia in the knockout rounds till the Semis. Once they had to play with the big boys he got spanked 4-2 by France and a couple of months later 6-0 by Spain! The same Spain that CQ had reduced to time wasting against us just two months prior!

But that's Dalic. Your hero himself is only good for beating up shitty IPL teams with a club that plays 95% of its matches in front of a friendly crowd. Beating Peykan and Pars Jonoobi with Perspolis is like beating India and Thailand with team melli. It says nothing about the coaching. Facing Kashima with Perspolis is like playing Japan with team melli, and your favorite Nobody got outcoached in that series home and away. If Iran played against Japan the way Perspolis played against Kashima, everyone would be asking for CQ's head...including myself.

And I’m still waiting to hear how a honda civic was able to put up better numbers than a Ferrari.

That explanation has been offered multiple times not just by me, but by a number of other members here. If you're still "waiting to hear it", an IQ test might help clarify your problem.

[paas]

Everything you're saying was already discussed in the other discussion. There is no point in repeating it, just re-read what was said before.
I suggest you guys place your bets on Colombia winning the world cup with CQ in 2022 (but rest assured he's not going to Colombia. Guaranteed).

Also in response to the person who keeps saying CQ is a ferrari and Branko is a honda civic, I think you might have watched this and gotten confused. lol

[DR Strangemoosh]

That explanation has been offered multiple times not just by me, but by a number of other members here. If you're still "waiting to hear it", an IQ test might help clarify your problem.

Repeating the same points again and again which very clearly debunk this "better numbers" lie is some kind of purgatory.

I don't know how we can make this clearer:

1) The numbers, in the first instance, are wrong (the "better numbers" chart posted by a PP fan social media account conveniently misses out Branko's first 14 games for Team Melli when he had a win percentage of: 28.57%)

2) The numbers, even if they were correct, lack any form of context. Even that 28.57% win percentage from Branko's first stint has no context so you can't interpret them.

It's just the hypocrisy of some people (not paas) saying that "numbers are everything" yet posting VERY incorrect numbers. How can we keep going back to this "better numbers" BS again and again and again FFS.

[FutbolGods]

The Civic versus Ferrari analogy is perfect. Not just because one is a mediocre, average car and the other one of the best in the industry, but because only a fool motivated by blind bias would claim the Honda is better or even comparable.

[paas]

Repeating the same points again and again which very clearly debunk this "better numbers" lie is some kind of purgatory.

I don't know how we can make this clearer:

1) The numbers, in the first instance, are wrong (the "better numbers" chart posted by a PP fan social media account conveniently misses out Branko's first 14 games for Team Melli when he had a win percentage of: 28.57%)

2) The numbers, even if they were correct, lack any form of context. Even that 28.57% win percentage from Branko's first stint has no context so you can't interpret them.

It's just the hypocrisy of some people (not paas) saying that "numbers are everything" yet posting VERY incorrect numbers. How can we keep going back to this "better numbers" BS again and again and again FFS.

It's less than 24 hours before TM's match. It's not the time for these type of Branko v. CQ discussions. After the tournament, I will break down everything for you and you'll see why you are wrong and the numbers are in fact accurate as already discussed before.

Until then try to relax and enjoy the games.

[DR Strangemoosh]

Until then try to relax and enjoy the games.

Sorry, who was it who just made the sarcastic emojis? I'm really enjoying the games, thanks!

I will break down everything for you and you'll see why you are wrong and the numbers are in fact accurate as already discussed before.

No need. Branko had 4 wins (8 draws and 2 losses) from 14 games in his first stint and 28 wins (7 draws and 7 losses) from 42 games in his second stint.
This gives him a win percentage of 57.14% (32 out of 56 games) which puts him in between Ranjbar and Szuzs and >2.5% below Queiroz, who has 58 wins (27 draws, 12 losses) out of 97 games giving a win percentage of 59.80%.

Again, I think these things are meaningless anyway without context. Stats can be useful (together with "lies" and "damned lies", as the saying goes) but they are only a fraction of the big picture when it comes to building a national team.

[paas]

Sorry, who was it who just made the sarcastic emojis? I'm really enjoying the games, thanks!



No need. Branko had 4 wins (8 draws and 2 losses) from 14 games in his first stint and 28 wins (7 draws and 7 losses) from 42 games in his second stint.
This gives him a win percentage of 57% (32 out of 56 games) which puts him in between Ranjbar and Szuzs and 3% below Queiroz.

Again, I think these things are meaningless anyway without context.

As mentioned before and conveniently ignored by your and your clear bias, In 2002 Branko was the U23 coach (u23 + 3 overage) preparing the team for the 2002 Asian games which we won with 5 wins and 1 draw. He coached 10 matches and only 3 were non U23 teams (2 wins 1 loss). Again, the 7 matches played in August and September 2002 were the u23 team preparing for the Asian Games which started in that month. You can check the lineups if you wish.

This was mentioned at least twice before and ignored. Hopefully this time it will stick before the amnesia kicks in Monday morning.

[DR Strangemoosh]

As mentioned before and conveniently ignored by your and your clear bias, In 2002 Branko was the U23 coach (u23 + 3 overage) preparing the team for the 2002 Asian games which we won with 5 wins and 1 draw. He coached 10 matches and only 3 were non U23 teams (2 wins 1 loss). Again, the 7 matches played in August and September 2002 were the u23 team preparing for the Asian Games which started in that month. You can check the lineups if you wish.
This was mentioned at least twice before and ignored. Hopefully this time it will stick before the amnesia kicks in Monday morning.

Branko managed Iran's full team for most of 2002 - the squads for the Slovakia Friendly, both of the LG cups held in 2002, WAG cup, kuwait/azerbaijan/ukraine friendlies, WAFFs were all the full national team not the U-23 as you say.

Yes, he also also managed the U-23 team at the end of the year (Asian Games) to 2003 but the number of games he managed with the U-23 for the later stint was much less than the games he managed for the full national team just prior.

[DR Strangemoosh]

He coached 10 matches and only 3 were non U23 teams (2 wins 1 loss)..

Where are you getting this from?

All the games in 2002 until the Asian Games were our full team, check the squads, from his debut against slovakia as full team manager in February 2002:

These aren't U-23 teams, why are you lying?

06/02/02 Friendly Slovakia 2-3
2 01/03/02 LG CUP Venezuela 1-0
3 03/03/02 LG CUP Algeria 0-0
4 04/04/02 WAG Palestine 2-2
5 12/04/02 WAG Kuwait 0-0
6 30/05/02 Friendly Kuwait 3-1
7 11/08/02 Friendly Azerbaijan 1-1
8 21/08/02 Friendly Ukraine 1-0
9 30/08/02 WAFF Jordan 0-1
10 03/09/02 WAFF Lebanon 2-0
11 05/09/02 WAFF Iraq 0-0
12 07/09/02 WAFF Syria 2-2
13 17/09/02 LG CUP Morocco 1-1
14 19/09/02 LG CUP Paraguay 1-1


Davoud FANAEI
Afshin PEYROVANI
Mehrdad MINAVAND
Yahya GOLMOHAMMADI
Hossein KAEBI
Hamed KAVIANPOUR
Dariush YAZDANI
Javad NEKOUNAM
Mohammad Ali KARIMI
Iman MOBALI
Pejman JAMSHIDI

Ebrahim MIRZAPOUR
Mehrdad MINAVAND
Mohammad NAVAZI
Younis BAHONAR
Sohrab BAKHTIYARIZADEH
Afshin PEYROVANI
Yahya GOLMOHAMMADI
Mojahed KHAZIRAVI
Mohammad Ali KARIMI
Alireza VAHEDI-NIKBAKHT
Ali DAEI

Ebrahim MIRZAPOUR
Mohammad NAVAZI
Sohrab BAKHTIYARIZADEH
Afshin PEYROVANI
Yahya GOLMOHAMMADI
Saeed LOTFI
Hossein KAEBI
Hamed KAVIANPOUR
Mojahed KHAZIRAVI
Mohammad Ali KARIMI
Alireza VAHEDI-NIKBAKHT


Davoud FANAEI
Jalal OMIDIAN
Hamid AZIZZADEH
Mehdi AMIRABADI
Saeed LOTFI
Afshin PEYROVANI
Yahya GOLMOHAMMADI
Hossein KAEBI
Hamed KAVIANPOUR
Mohsen BAYATINIA
Rasoul KHATIBI

Ebrahim MIRZAPOUR
Sohrab BAKHTIYARIZADEH
Saeed LOTFI
Mehdi AMIRABADI
Hamed KAVIANPOUR
Mahmoud Karimi Sibaki
Javad NEKOUNAM
Mohammad Ali KARIMI
Javad KAZEMIAN
Mohsen BAYATINIA
Gholamreza ENAYATI

Ebrahim MIRZAPOUR
Hamid AZIZZADEH
Mehdi AMIRABADI
Yahya GOLMOHAMMADI
Afshin PEYROVANI
Hossein KAEBI
Hamed KAVIANPOUR
Mahmoud Karimi Sibaki
Javad NEKOUNAM
Javad KAZEMIAN
Gholamreza ENAYATI

Ebrahim MIRZAPOUR
Mehdi AMIRABADI
Afshin PEYROVANI
Sohrab BAKHTIYARIZADEH
Saeed LOTFI
Yahya GOLMOHAMMADI
Hossein KAEBI
Hamed KAVIANPOUR
Javad NEKOUNAM
Faraz FATEMI
Gholamreza ENAYATI

Ebrahim MIRZAPOUR
Mohammad NAVAZI
Yahya GOLMOHAMMADI
Sohrab BAKHTIYARIZADEH
Rahman REZAEI
Mehrdad MINAVAND
Hamed KAVIANPOUR
Javad NEKOUNAM
Alireza VAHEDI-NIKBAKHT
Ali SAMEREH
Ali DAEI

Ebrahim MIRZAPOUR
Mehdi AMIRABADI
Saeed LOTFI
Jalal KAMELI-MOFRAD
Mohammad NOSRATI
Rahman REZAEI
Javad NEKOUNAM
Mohammad Ali KARIMI
Alireza VAHEDI-NIKBAKHT
Iman MOBALI
Mohsen BAYATINIA

Ebrahim MIRZAPOUR
Rahman REZAEI
Mehrdad MINAVAND
Mohammad NAVAZI
Yahya GOLMOHAMMADI
Sohrab BAKHTIYARIZADEH
Saeed LOTFI
Javad NEKOUNAM
Mohammad Ali KARIMI
Alireza VAHEDI-NIKBAKHT
Ali DAEI

[DR Strangemoosh]

Ebrahim MIRZAPOUR
Sohrab BAKHTIYARIZADEH
Ali BADAVI
Mehdi AMIRABADI
Jalal KAMELI-MOFRAD
Saeed LOTFI
Javad NEKOUNAM
Mohammad Ali KARIMI
Alireza VAHEDI-NIKBAKHT
Iman MOBALI
Mohsen BAYATINIA

Ebrahim MIRZAPOUR
Sohrab BAKHTIYARIZADEH
Mohammad NOSRATI
Jalal KAMELI-MOFRAD
Saeed LOTFI
Mehdi AMIRABADI
Javad NEKOUNAM
Mohammad Ali KARIMI
Alireza VAHEDI-NIKBAKHT
Mohsen BAYATINIA
Gholamreza ENAYATI

Ebrahim MIRZAPOUR
Mehdi AMIRABADI
Sohrab BAKHTIYARIZADEH
Mohammad NOSRATI
Ali BADAVI
Jalal KAMELI-MOFRAD
Saeed LOTFI
Javad NEKOUNAM
Mohammad Ali KARIMI
Alireza VAHEDI-NIKBAKHT
Iman MOBALI

Ebrahim MIRZAPOUR
Ali BADAVI
Hamid AZIZZADEH
Jalal KAMELI-MOFRAD
Saeed LOTFI
Mehdi AMIRABADI
Sohrab BAKHTIYARIZADEH
Javad NEKOUNAM
Alireza VAHEDI-NIKBAKHT
Iman MOBALI
Mohsen BAYATINIA

Ebrahim MIRZAPOUR
Yahya GOLMOHAMMADI
Sohrab BAKHTIYARIZADEH
Ali BADAVI
Mohammad NOSRATI
Jalal KAMELI-MOFRAD
Javad NEKOUNAM
Javad KAZEMIAN
Alireza VAHEDI-NIKBAKHT
Iman MOBALI
Ali DAEI


Ebrahim MIRZAPOUR
Jalal KAMELI-MOFRAD
Saeed LOTFI
Ali BADAVI
Mohammad NOSRATI
Moharam NAVIDKIA
Javad NEKOUNAM
Javad KAZEMIAN
Alireza VAHEDI-NIKBAKHT
Iman MOBALI
Ali DAEI

[DR Strangemoosh]

This was mentioned at least twice before and ignored. Hopefully this time it will stick before the amnesia kicks in Monday morning.

I do apologise, as I had put you on the ignore list before I hadn't had a chance to respond to your false statements. Please find above the results and squads of all of Branko's matches in 2002 UNTIL the Asian Games (at which point he managed the U-23 for 6 games), which is completely different to your assertion:

"He coached 10 matches and only 3 were non U23 teams "

He coached 14 games before the Asian Games of September/October 2002 and all 14 were full national team fixtures. The subsequent 6 games in Asian Games were officially "U-23"

[paas]

1 v. Slovakia (L)
2 v. Venezuela (W)
3 v. Algeria (W)
4 v. Palestine (U23)
5 v. Kuwait (D)
6 v. Kuwait (W)
7 v. Azerbaijan (U23)
8 v. Ukraine (W)
9 v. Jordan (U23)
10 v. Lebanon (U23)
11 v. Iraq (U23)
12 v. Syria (U23)
13 v. Morocco (U23)
14 v. Paraguay (U23)

So I looked at the 14 matches you mentioned. I only saw 10 when I looked it up (not sure why some of them were not included, maybe because they weren't official matches).
Regardless if you look at the rosters, 8 matches were U23 teams and 6 were senior teams (and that's really a mix of senior and u23 at best). His record on the 6 was 4-1-1.

If you want to count u23 team records then please also add the asian games matches where we went 5-1-0.

Edit: I see why the 4 of the matches were not included. They were part of an exhibition tournament not recognized by FIFA.

[DR Strangemoosh]

1 v. Slovakia (L)
2 v. Venezuela (W)
3 v. Algeria (W)
4 v. Palestine (U23)
5 v. Kuwait (D)
6 v. Kuwait (W)
7 v. Azerbaijan (U23)
8 v. Ukraine (W)
9 v. Jordan (U23)
10 v. Lebanon (U23)
11 v. Iraq (U23)
12 v. Syria (U23)
13 v. Morocco (U23)
14 v. Paraguay (U23)

So I looked at the 14 matches you mentioned. I only saw 10 when I looked it up (not sure why some of them were not included, maybe because they weren't official matches).
Regardless if you look at the rosters, 8 matches were U23 teams and 6 were senior teams (and that's really a mix of senior and u23 at best). His record on the 6 was 4-1-1.

If you want to count u23 team records then please also add the asian games matches where we went 5-1-0.

Edit: I see why the 4 of the matches were not included. They were part of an exhibition tournament not recognized by FIFA.

I posted the squads - they have a mixture between younger and older players sure, but they are full national team games not U23 games, the players were all playing for TM as established players.

Out of the full national team games which you are claiming are "U23 games"

Palestine: Peyrovani, Golmohammadi, Kaabi, Kazemian, Enayati, Kavianpour and Amirabadi were all playing for the senior team, and Fanaei was national team reserve. Out of the remaining players in the team which were U23, many were involved in the national team as reserves.
Azerbaijan: Mirazpour, Nosrati, Rezaei, Nekounam, Karimi, Nikbakht, Kazemian, Navidkia, Enayati - this is basically almost the full national team
Jordan: Mirzapour, Bakhtiarizadeh, Badavi, Nekounam, Karimi, Nikbakht, Kameli, Enayati, Kazemian, Navidkia - ditto
Lebanon: Mirzapour, Bakhtiarizadeh, Kameli, Amirabadi, Nekounam, Karimi, Nikbakht, Enayati, Kazemian, Navidkia - ditto
Iraq, Syria, Morocco and Paraguay are similar teams.


Just because Iran's Asian Games squad had a number of these players (compared to more recent asian games squads which tends to have players who haven't been capped for their full national team) doesn't make those games randomly U-23 games as you claim.

[KC McElroy]

I posted the squads - they have a mixture between younger and older players sure, but they are full national team games not U23 games, the players were all playing for TM as established players.

Out of the full national team games which you are claiming are "U23 games"

Palestine: Peyrovani, Golmohammadi, Kaabi, Kazemian, Enayati, Kavianpour and Amirabadi were all playing for the senior team, and Fanaei was national team reserve. Out of the remaining players in the team which were U23, many were involved in the national team as reserves.
Azerbaijan: Mirazpour, Nosrati, Rezaei, Nekounam, Karimi, Nikbakht, Kazemian, Navidkia, Enayati - this is basically almost the full national team
Jordan: Mirzapour, Bakhtiarizadeh, Badavi, Nekounam, Karimi, Nikbakht, Kameli, Enayati, Kazemian, Navidkia - ditto
Lebanon: Mirzapour, Bakhtiarizadeh, Kameli, Amirabadi, Nekounam, Karimi, Nikbakht, Enayati, Kazemian, Navidkia - ditto
Iraq, Syria, Morocco and Paraguay are similar teams.


Just because Iran's Asian Games squad had a number of these players (compared to more recent asian games squads which tends to have players who haven't been capped for their full national team) doesn't make those games randomly U-23 games as you claim.

Rosters do not matter. Contracts do. If the contract is for a national team game and the coach chooses to field young players or a B team it still counts as a national team game.

[DR Strangemoosh]

Iran wasn't 5-1-0 at the Asian Games anyway.

For all these statistics, the result at the end of normal time is counted so it is 4-2-0 as the semi was a 0-0 draw and then won on penalties. These are the stats which are counted for all results or coaches. Sure, if you want to add them, having said they are U23 games, add them to Branko's stats. It still leaves him at 58.6%

And I’m still waiting to hear how a honda civic was able to put up better numbers than a Ferrari.

Easy, make up the numbers. Then a Honda Civic can be faster than Concorde.