RUMOR: COLOMBIA WANT TO SIGN QUEIROZ AFTER ASIAN CUP

[paas]

I AM LITERALLY PUTTING THE NAMES OF THE SQUADS FROM THE MATCHES YOU FLAGGED AS u23. I already posted them earlier, why did you ignore that?



Palestine: Peyrovani, Golmohammadi, Kaabi, Kazemian, Enayati, Kavianpour and Amirabadi were all playing for the senior team, and Fanaei was national team reserve. Out of the remaining players in the team which were U23, many were involved in the national team as reserves.
Azerbaijan: Mirazpour, Nosrati, Rezaei, Nekounam, Karimi, Nikbakht, Kazemian, Navidkia, Enayati - this is basically almost the full national team
Jordan: Mirzapour, Bakhtiarizadeh, Badavi, Nekounam, Karimi, Nikbakht, Kameli, Enayati, Kazemian, Navidkia - ditto
Lebanon: Mirzapour, Bakhtiarizadeh, Kameli, Amirabadi, Nekounam, Karimi, Nikbakht, Enayati, Kazemian, Navidkia - ditto
Iraq, Syria, Morocco and Paraguay are similar teams.

Again notice how you say, "these players were in the national team". Yes I'm not disagreeing with you.
What I'm pointing out is that these were NOT THE SENIOR TEAM but rather a U23 team.

Notice how players like Ali Daei, Ali Karimi, Mahdavikia, Rahman Rezaei, Golmohammadi, Bakhtiarezadeh, Navazi, Majidi, Peyrovani, Minavand, etc. were not used simultaneously in those matches. If they were that would be a senior team. Not if you are using a u23 side preparing for a u23 tournament. That would constitute a u23 side. I hope that's clear.

[paas]

For example lets compare the Squad Branko used against Paraguay (which I flagged as u23 prepping for the asian games) and the one he used a few months earlier against Venezuela.

I’ve bolded players under the age of 23.

Iran v. Paraguay (Flagged as U23 Squad)
Ebrahim MIRZAPOUR (p.s. just turned 24 3 days earlier)
Jalal KAMELI-MOFRAD
Saeed LOTFI
Ali BADAVI
Mohammad NOSRATI
Moharam NAVIDKIA
Javad NEKOUNAM
Javad KAZEMIAN
Alireza VAHEDI-NIKBAKHT
Iman MOBALI
Ali DAEI

Iran v. Venezuela (Flagged as Non-23)
Ebrahim MIRZAPOUR
Mehrdad MINAVAND
Mohammad NAVAZI
Younis BAHONAR
Sohrab BAKHTIYARIZADEH
Afshin PEYROVANI
Yahya GOLMOHAMMADI
Mojahed KHAZIRAVI
Mohammad Ali KARIMI
Alireza VAHEDI-NIKBAKHT
Ali DAEI


Do you undrestand what I'm saying now, when I say he was using a u23 side preppering for a u23 tournament? Do you see the difference between that and a no limit senior team (ie invite who you want regardless of age)? Bro I'm not lying or trying to troll you. I could do that for the rest of the squads I've flagged as u23 as well.

[KC McElroy]

Actually they do matter. If you are preparing for a U23 tournament and use a U23 roster for your preparation matches, then it matters.
It might be hard for you to comprehend that. I understand. You can return to re-flagging comments I made 6 years ago (which i was already warned for) and sending me profane messages.

The contract matters. The players would only matter if the players used were ineligible for what the contract called for. As U23 Iranians are in fact Iranians then these games count as full internationals. Besides you already admitted these were not U23 matches.
A coach could field 11 random people from the country that he coaches who aren't even soccer players and as long as the contract for the game was for a the national team it would count as a full international regardless of the players.

Also I see you still haven't gotten over the humiliation from 6 years ago when rugs and I caught you red handed making comments about a video that you were exposed as never watching.

[KC McElroy]

Thanks, so you admit they are full national team matches.

In which case, your "better numbers" quote was a false statement?

I think you should insist on getting an answer to your question.

[BacheLot]

whatever happened to brangoh vs CQ thread..!!?
can you guys please move this useless so called discussion to that thread and not regurgitating the same ol arguments over and over again in every other thread..!!
personally can't believe such a thing would be up for discussion..!! lol

[paas]

Summary. Branko coached 10 matches in 2002. 6 of which were u23 sides in preparation for the 2002 Asian Games, a u23 tournament (u23 +3 overage). Of the remaining 4 non-u23 matches Iran won 3 (against Venezuela Kuwait & Ukraine) and lost 1 (Slovakia).

Here is the full list of squads which I have flagged as U23 rosters being used for preparation for the Asian Games (which we won, I think I mentioned that )

All the matches I flagged as U23
Bolded players indicated u23 player

Iran v. Azerbaijan (Flagged as U23 Squad)
Ebrahim MIRZAPOUR
Mehdi AMIRABADI
Saeed LOTFI
Jalal KAMELI-MOFRAD
Mohammad NOSRATI
Rahman REZAEI
Javad NEKOUNAM
Mohammad Ali KARIMI
Alireza VAHEDI-NIKBAKHT
Iman MOBALI
Mohsen BAYATINIA

Iran v. Jordan (Flagged as U23 Squad)
Ebrahim MIRZAPOUR
Sohrab BAKHTIYARIZADEH
Ali BADAVI
Mehdi AMIRABADI
Jalal KAMELI-MOFRAD
Saeed LOTFI
Javad NEKOUNAM
Mohammad Ali KARIMI
Alireza VAHEDI-NIKBAKHT
Iman MOBALI
Mohsen BAYATINIA

Iran v. Lebanon (Flagged as U23 Squad)
Ebrahim MIRZAPOUR
Sohrab BAKHTIYARIZADEH
Mohammad NOSRATI
Jalal KAMELI-MOFRAD
Saeed LOTFI
Mehdi AMIRABADI
Javad NEKOUNAM
Mohammad Ali KARIMI
Alireza VAHEDI-NIKBAKHT
Mohsen BAYATINIA
Gholamreza ENAYATI

Iran v. Iraq (Flagged as U23 Squad)
Ebrahim MIRZAPOUR
Mehdi AMIRABADI
Sohrab BAKHTIYARIZADEH
Mohammad NOSRATI
Ali BADAVI
Jalal KAMELI-MOFRAD
Saeed LOTFI
Javad NEKOUNAM
Mohammad Ali KARIMI
Alireza VAHEDI-NIKBAKHT
Iman MOBALI

Iran v. Syria (Flagged as U23 Squad)
Ebrahim MIRZAPOUR
Ali BADAVI
Hamid AZIZZADEH
Jalal KAMELI-MOFRAD
Saeed LOTFI
Mehdi AMIRABADI
Sohrab BAKHTIYARIZADEH
Javad NEKOUNAM
Alireza VAHEDI-NIKBAKHT
Iman MOBALI
Mohsen BAYATINIA

Iran v. Paraguay (Flagged as U23 Squad)
Ebrahim MIRZAPOUR (p.s. just turned 24 3 days earlier)
Jalal KAMELI-MOFRAD
Saeed LOTFI
Ali BADAVI
Mohammad NOSRATI
Moharam NAVIDKIA
Javad NEKOUNAM
Javad KAZEMIAN
Alireza VAHEDI-NIKBAKHT
Iman MOBALI
Ali DAEI

[KC McElroy]

whatever happened to brangoh vs CQ thread..!!?
can you guys please move this useless so called discussion to that thread and not regurgitating the same ol arguments over and over again in every other thread..!!
personally can't believe such a thing would be up for discussion..!! lol

This is paas claiming he watched a navad video only to finally admit defeat all over again.

[FutbolGods]

Because you are just lying. It's difficult to talk about context when someone makes stuff up.

Arguing with someone like that is a waste of time. Even in the most ordinary circumstances it's hard to change a person's mind when they're emotionally invested in their side. Now consider that we're dealing with someone whose whole position is based on childish loyalty to some club coach! People who don't operate on blind emotion wouldn't side with club over country to begin with.

The whole numbers discussion is a deflection as you know, but even if we focus solely on the numbers, they would only be meaningful if we take rankings into account... and the rankings of that era were such a joke that the whole methodology has been changed TWICE since then. This means even if we do what this genius wants and ignore everything else CQ has done and focus only on "numbers", the comparison loses all meaning once we consider that the rankings of our opponents at the time would be drastically different based on the current system.

Those numbers he keeps pushing are based on universally ridiculed calculations that had USA in or near the Top Ten month after month, and had Iran at #20 but Australia at #58! Can we honestly believe that Australia in the last twenty years has ever been 38 ranks worse than us??

The rankings of that era were so widely mocked and dismissed that the whole formula was revised in 2006, ironically right after the WC in Germany when Branko's contract ended and he didn't even return to Iran.

When the rankings are not comparable between two eras, nor are the numbers. Regardless of what some kid defines as "U-23".

[teammelli91]

Rumor has it that the Colombian cartel reached out to Mr. Jassim (the referee for the match vs China) and offered a sum of $500,000 to officiate for China against Iran.

Mr. Jassim then responded back that, “Whether I officiate against Iran or not, Iran will still defeat China. So go find yourself another coach.. Also I get paid more by the Qatar league for such requests.”

[BacheLot]

This is paas claiming he watched a navad video only to finally admit defeat all over again.

[Saam]

^^Who gives a fuck if someone knows who’s branko or not. Coaches quality doesn’t come from popularity. Nobody knew who zlatko dalic was until a few months ago and look what he did with with Croatia.

And I’m still waiting to hear how a honda civic was able to put up better numbers than a Ferrari.

Give it a rest bro. I looked up your post history and you literally stopped posting in 2013 before Iran qualifies for the World Cup and came back a few weeks ago spewing all this Branko bs and anti CQ bs. Get a life. This is a forum for Iranian football and TM is the highest priority for our football. We support our team and whoever is the coach, and as long as he is getting results, we’re happy. You keep kissing Branko ass and talking shit on our team coach but you just sound like a buffoon and god knows why you have so much free time or what CQ did to your family that you spend all your time posting on this one issue. Are you Branko’s wife?

[tooleh khers]

Because you are just lying. It's difficult to talk about context when someone makes stuff up.

You labelled 8 games as "u23 games" and I already listed the squads, which were essentially full national team rosters at the time, with a bulk of starting players and a few reserves. Some of whom were Under 23 in age as you'd expect from a squad which was rebuilding after a failed world cup qualification

Now you like by saying "You're deceivingly juxtaposing names from matches which I didn't flag as U23" about games that you flagged as U23

Either your reading comprehension is very poor, your short term memory, or a combination of the two.

Lol how difficult it is to understand that he was appointed head coach of Iran in 2003? His stats with TM as a head coach is from this period. Now please go back to your other nonsensical arguments and leave stats out of it. Reply to your other comment, I do not need your permission to support my TM nor your confirmation. I am also not a "Branko" vs CQ supporter. I like paas and others I am sure are just pointing out to you that you and many others are incorrect and stats show it. We do support CQ and hope that he destroys Branko's stats with TM. We will all be better if he does. We also respect and support him as our head coach and wish nothing but success for him at TM and even in his personal life. Just dont come around here talking about stats Dr dont. Go TM zende baad past, future and present coaches players and real fans of TM.

[DR Strangemoosh]

We are about to play a Quarter Final game and I get a notification that you post this? What is your priority, TM or defending Branko? Thanks for showing your hand.

I'm not going to do any further replies but you are completely wrong and he was appointed head coach of TM in 2002 and all the games until the Asian Games were full national team games as per FIFA when he was the manager. Stop lying. Read my posts. Stop trolling.

[tooleh khers]

We are about to play a Quarter Final game and I get a notification that you post this? What is your priority, TM or defending Branko? Thanks for showing your hand.
He was appointed head coach of TM in 2002.

Team Melli. Then math. 2003. Thanks.

[DR Strangemoosh]

Team Melli. Then math. Thanks.

Grow up and stop trolling. We have a match now.