Iran v Palestine

[teammelli91]

It wasn't a group of death. A group of death has no clear favorites. Our group had two clear favorites.

Good point.

[perspolis#1]

Playing arguably the worst soccer in the competition, while only scoring one goal and finishing third (not qualifying) is not success to me.

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I must have dreamt up the collective performances of Panama, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Tunisia, and Costa Rica in the tournament.

[orbicular]

Teammelli91, thank you for your compliments. I just want to say that I am a Team Melli fan, and I come to this board to learn about the game and become aware of the latest news. I think, as fans, we should look beyond entertainment value provided by the game and try to make some type of contribution through latest news, analysis and, perhaps most import of all, solidarity with our beloved team.

I am not aware if any of the players or the coaching staff ever come to this board, but if they do, I would like them to be exposed to more than just harsh, hasty criticism. I believe we, as anonymous fans, can make a difference in promoting a healthier and stronger national team. Which brings me to this point: Iranians, in general, are tremendously passionate about soccer and their reactions and analyses at times reflect their fervor in powerful ways-unfortunately, sometimes that can translate into undeservedly harsh criticism. Case in point: a couple of weeks ago, Carlos Queiroz stated that it would be an honor for Iran to reach the final four. (he did not openly brag about Iran's ability in winning it all.) And a few days ago, Khodadad Azizi, a legend in his own right, harshly criticized him for sounding like an underachiever. He even brought up Queiroz' huge salary to underscore his point. I have no doubt that Queiroz, because of all the difficulties in preparation and training as well as nagging injuries to key players, used that statement as a psychological ploy to motivate his team and gain the upper hand against his rivals, something that great coaches such as Phil Jackson and Pat Riley are also known to have done in the past.

Yet Mr. Azizi interpreted the statement as an admission of failure and blasted the coach for not instilling confidence in his team and the fans in general. Mr. Azizi meant well, but his literal interpretation of the remark as well as his poor timing will not serve the team well. it is true that Mr. Queiroz is an astute teacher and he often dabbles in psychological games to gain an advantage. I believe he should be allowed that discretion as long as he remains the coach. Similarly, I see many other people on social media equating progress with good results on the scoreboard. It is a fact that Iranian soccer, because of lack of adequate infrastructure, management and money, is still in its infancy-at least as far as world competition is concerned, and we have to measure progress within the limited scope of those spheres. Yet it is precisely because of Mr. Queiroz' efforts (at least in large part), that our national team is able to play with more cohesion, zeal and focus, especially on the defensive end, and, unlike many teams of the past, our players are able to confront superior European and South American teams with unsurpassed pride and valor. Mr. Queiroz and his soldiers have clearly laid the foundation for development in early stages; it is up to future managers, organizers, players and fans to cultivate further growth and help catapult the team to much higher levels. And, as I stated earlier, we as fans represent a big part of that equation.

A longwinded piece born out of deep respect and love for our national team. Let's offer our solidarity to them prior to the competition and remain empathetic to their daily challenges. And, just as Tractor Sazi fans do when their team concedes a goal, let us say: "Eiybi Yox" (no problem) when our team fails to fulfil our expectations.

[Camran khan]

Taremi's goal:

http://footballitarin.com/video_page.php?id=60799

[K. Nader]

^^^

Fantastic post but the only part I would question is whether or not Azizi 'meant well'. We often say that there is no way that any of these figures, however critical, are rooting for the national team to fail. That said, when they do perform well (e.g. World Cup 2018), these same critics are nowhere to be found. There is an inherent fault in our culture in admitting to our mistakes and not once did the likes of Mayelikohan and Azizi come out and congratulate the players and CQ for the work they put in. If they did, then very little media attention was given to it (which is also reflective of the state of our media).

And now, again, on the edge of another major tournament, the same figures are coming out to spew their garbage. I'm not so concerned about the comments upsetting our players as I am by the fact that it is another poor reflection of our culture. Yes, Iranians are passionate about football but what some of these people have been doing over the course of the past few years has been an obsession of character assassination. Then you have those that align themselves with alternative groups just to stay in favour (e.g. Peyrovani, Karimi, Rafiei).

[Roxanaz80]

Teammelli91, thank you for your compliments. I just want to say that I am a Team Melli fan, and I come to this board to learn about the game and become aware of the latest news. I think, as fans, we should look beyond entertainment value provided by the game and try to make some type of contribution through latest news, analysis and, perhaps most import of all, solidarity with our beloved team.

I am not aware if any of the players or the coaching staff ever come to this board, but if they do, I would like them to be exposed to more than just harsh, hasty criticism. I believe we, as anonymous fans, can make a difference in promoting a healthier and stronger national team. Which brings me to this point: Iranians, in general, are tremendously passionate about soccer and their reactions and analyses at times reflect their fervor in powerful ways-unfortunately, sometimes that can translate into undeservedly harsh criticism. Case in point: a couple of weeks ago, Carlos Queiroz stated that it would be an honor for Iran to reach the final four. (he did not openly brag about Iran's ability in winning it all.) And a few days ago, Khodadad Azizi, a legend in his own right, harshly criticized him for sounding like an underachiever. He even brought up Queiroz' huge salary to underscore his point. I have no doubt that Queiroz, because of all the difficulties in preparation and training as well as nagging injuries to key players, used that statement as a psychological ploy to motivate his team and gain the upper hand against his rivals, something that great coaches such as Phil Jackson and Pat Riley are also known to have done in the past.

Yet Mr. Azizi interpreted the statement as an admission of failure and blasted the coach for not instilling confidence in his team and the fans in general. Mr. Azizi meant well, but his literal interpretation of the remark as well as his poor timing will not serve the team well. it is true that Mr. Queiroz is an astute teacher and he often dabbles in psychological games to gain an advantage. I believe he should be allowed that discretion as long as he remains the coach. Similarly, I see many other people on social media equating progress with good results on the scoreboard. It is a fact that Iranian soccer, because of lack of adequate infrastructure, management and money, is still in its infancy-at least as far as world competition is concerned, and we have to measure progress within the limited scope of those spheres. Yet it is precisely because of Mr. Queiroz' efforts (at least in large part), that our national team is able to play with more cohesion, zeal and focus, especially on the defensive end, and, unlike many teams of the past, our players are able to confront superior European and South American teams with unsurpassed pride and valor. Mr. Queiroz and his soldiers have clearly laid the foundation for development in early stages; it is up to future managers, organizers, players and fans to cultivate further growth and help catapult the team to much higher levels. And, as I stated earlier, we as fans represent a big part of that equation.

A longwinded piece born out of deep respect and love for our national team. Let's offer our solidarity to them prior to the competition and remain empathetic to their daily challenges. And, just as Tractor Sazi fans do when their team concedes a goal, let us say: "Eiybi Yox" (no problem) when our team fails to fulfil our expectations.

Bravo aziz, loved reading u.

Empathy! Yes! Key word to keep in mind. It's a blessing that we have such a luminous TM. The least we can do is send them L O V E.

[Roxanaz80]

^^^

Fantastic post but the only part I would question is whether or not Azizi 'meant well'. We often say that there is no way that any of these figures, however critical, are rooting for the national team to fail. That said, when they do perform well (e.g. World Cup 2018), these same critics are nowhere to be found. There is an inherent fault in our culture in admitting to our mistakes and not once did the likes of Mayelikohan and Azizi come out and congratulate the players and CQ for the work they put in. If they did, then very little media attention was given to it (which is also reflective of the state of our media).

And now, again, on the edge of another major tournament, the same figures are coming out to spew their garbage. I'm not so concerned about the comments upsetting our players as I am by the fact that it is another poor reflection of our culture. Yes, Iranians are passionate about football but what some of these people have been doing over the course of the past few years has been an obsession of character assassination. Then you have those that align themselves with alternative groups just to stay in favour (e.g. Peyrovani, Karimi, Rafiei).

C what u mean but there is no point in censoring anyone.

The media and their entourage shir mikonaneshun as we say...baba to bayad jozveh tm boodi, in CQ gadreto nemidooneh etc..

If we all stay calm and place TM's wellbeing on top of our list then these rantings will have no impact.

Love the pic by the way, so you're his twin brother?

[orbicular]

You've raised some good points. Resentment brought on by envy can play a debilitating role in national teams' progress. Rather than looking for avenues to level criticism about inconsequential matters, former players and federation officials should rally around the team and its coach to make our dream come true. And we must not forget, these unfortunately could be Queiroz' last few weeks at the helm, and we all owe him a debt of gratitude for his tireless work and dedication over the years. Regardless, let him enjoy the ride and give him the ammunition to bring the cup back to Iran.

[K. Nader]

C what u mean but there is no point in censoring anyone.

The media and their entourage shir mikonaneshun as we say...baba to bayad jozveh tm boodi, in CQ gadreto nemidooneh etc..

If we all stay calm and place TM's wellbeing on top of our list then these rantings will have no impact.

Love the pic by the way, so you're his twin brother?

You're right. And really, I have no objection to criticism of the national team... but at the right time. When a tournament has been completed, the Federation and analysts can sit down and dissect what has happened and hopefully offer constructive criticism on path to take moving forward. Even if you're France and have just won the World Cup, there is room to analyze the team and what can be done to maintain/improve the quality.

In our case, it's all tabloid fodder and favoritism. CQ literally left 2 spots open our Asian Cup 2015 list and fought relentlessly to have Rafiei and Pouladi included. The fact that Rafiei came out with those comments and at that exact time is the perfect example of being 'ghadr nashnas'. And unfortunately, these are the sort of people who get the spotlight.

As for the photo, I wish!

[teammelli91]

Wow you guys are so panicked! This is exactly why CQ plays friendlies with B teams behind closed doors. I feel like I’m listening to a bunch of chickens running around screaming the sky is falling. Relax, it’s a friendly, allows CQ to experiment with new tactics and lineups. Would you rather beat Palestine in a friendly or go deep in Asian cup??

Bahahaaaaa! Eyval! Khoob gofti

[teammelli91]

God I love the critical thinking and analysis in the last 2 pages of this thread.

I’m totally with you on looking past just the entertainment side. I’m also for keeping positive and starting productive conversations about our team. I’ve been an advocate of this for a long time.

But at the same time, I’ve learned that the PFDC community has gained a lot of new members over the past 2-3 years. The majority of them are young people who may or may not want to delve in deep discussions that are productive. Usually they just come on, post 1-2 things (usually pointless) and leave. I remember when I used to be the same way sometimes when I first came on the forum.

I think these kids will learn and will grow. I think they are smart but they’re acting cool because they are online. I’m learning to chill out on bashing them too. There’s really no point. Just be as nice as you can even if they don’t get it, they will later on. Or some will.

[shahname]

God I love the critical thinking and analysis in the last 2 pages of this thread.

I’m totally with you on looking past just the entertainment side. I’m also for keeping positive and starting productive conversations about our team. I’ve been an advocate of this for a long time.

But at the same time, I’ve learned that the PFDC community has gained a lot of new members over the past 2-3 years. The majority of them are young people who may or may not want to delve in deep discussions that are productive. Usually they just come on, post 1-2 things (usually pointless) and leave. I remember when I used to be the same way sometimes when I first came on the forum.

I think these kids will learn and will grow. I think they are smart but they’re acting cool because they are online. I’m learning to chill out on bashing them too. There’s really no point. Just be as nice as you can even if they don’t get it, they will later on. Or some will.

Your post just gave me an idea. Maybe we should have a part of the forum restricted to > 40 years of age. Then we can have a mature tone and deeper discussions with som substance.

[teammelli91]

Your post just gave me an idea. Maybe we should have a part of the forum restricted to > 40 years of age. Then we can have a mature tone and deeper discussions with som substance.

I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not, but I actually like the idea of having a different spot within PFDC where only 25+ age group can have access. I wouldn’t be able to join the 40+

[Futbaldoost]

The goal that sealed H.Hosseini's faith. No exit, no dive, no save. I really like him and I think he has icredible talent yet he has significant competition and needs to grow.

https://video.varzesh3.com/video/182...دوستانه

[Tehranto]

The goal that sealed H.Hosseini's faith. No exit, no dive, no save. I really like him and I think he has icredible talent yet he has significant competition and needs to grow.

https://video.varzesh3.com/video/182...دوستانه

He hasn't had match praxis this year much either ...