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    #46
    Originally posted by Sam van Dam View Post
    people like to give branko shit for brining daei to germany in 06, but don't say nothing about CQ brining shojaei and dejagah in 18/19 smh. and enough of this 'leadership' crap, if thats the reason then they should be coaching instead wasting 2 spots. and daei was a general on the pitch, fcuk ali karimi
    First of all, one can never compare Brango to CQ. Never ever even in sweetest dreams. It is like comparing Paykan to Tesla :-)
    No one can also ignore the role of the leader inside the pitch during the game, which is different from the coach on the sideline.

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      #47
      Originally posted by Sam van Dam View Post
      agreed, people like to give branko shit for brining daei to germany in 06, but don't say nothing about CQ brining shojaei and dejagah in 18/19 smh. and enough of this 'leadership' crap, if thats the reason then they should be coaching instead wasting 2 spots. and daei was a general on the pitch, fcuk ali karimi
      moreover, as useless as ali daei was from 02-06 at least he was burying goals left and right
      the same can't be said for masoud who has been terrible for the past 6 or so years
      dejagah is very injury prone, but at least he can control the ball and distribute a few passes, he looked very good in the turkey friendly, like really good lol
      not sure about taremi tho, i feel that ghoddos can do the same running and defending as well as taremi, karim, and amiri, while not being a total spaz on offense. i feel that ghoddos deservse a chance to play a total 90. i also feel that given an opportunity that torabi can be a dark horse for us

      as muich as ali daei was a legend for iranian football. he was a total flop in 2006. totally out of shape, could barely make a run and was just camping at the midline. remember the game vs mexico? i mean he was already 37 so it makes sense, he has absolutely no impact on the team despite him beeing a legend.

      I agree it was maybe a mistake to take ahskan to the WC cuz he was not fully fit but CQ had a plan with him which unfortunately did not work. ashkan and masoud are one of the most technical players in our sqaud and then clames on the ball. other than that their leadership which you guys call crap is alos important for our young team. Besides that this is the asia cup and not the world cup. the level is much lower, ashkan and masoud could easly play the group stage games and get some minutes in crucial games like japan or south korea. they know how to dictate a game and how to lead it other than that their set pieces can be important you see how they are killing it in IPL. they are still good enough fof the asia cup.you guys actling like they will be starters. relax

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        #48
        Originally posted by NFL View Post
        if he was going to drop these two he should have done it right after the WC.
        Precisely! and he really should have. If only experience matters for their inclusion and not their football skills then we could have had Nekounam in TM instead. I don't know how you think they can be of any use in a rainy day when they simply suck in the field these days! Specially Masoud who is rather the opponents' 12th player. I mean even as number 22 and 23, he could have had included 2 youngsters in order for them to get TM experience instead. Shekari and Kaveh Rezaei are 2 that comes to mind. or why not Delfi and Allahyar Sayyad?

        In terms of experience we have enough with Haji Safi and Ansarifard. Also it is time new players take more responsibility when it comes to that. Jahanbakhsh and Pouraliganji are the first 2 that comes to mind. They are not very young anymore.

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          #49
          Shojaei is the only fantasy(technical) player we got on this list now that Gholi is
          injured. He is a must start against any Asian team. His dribbling and through passes
          can be very effective against Asian teams.

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            #50
            My favourite picture from today's training session

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              #51
              Originally posted by Sam van Dam View Post
              and enough of this 'leadership' crap, if thats the reason then they should be coaching instead wasting 2 spots.
              well, if you think of "leadership" on a team as "crap", then I am not sure you have understood how important "leadership" is for a team that wants to be a title contender. We are not there for our young players to gain experience. we are there to win it. to win a title you need a mixture of experience and youth. you need the experienced guys there for their leadership.
              you want Shojaie and Ashkan off the list and replaced by who??

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                #52
                Originally posted by Sly View Post
                Precisely! and he really should have. If only experience matters for their inclusion and not their football skills then we could have had Nekounam in TM instead. I don't know how you think they can be of any use in a rainy day when they simply suck in the field these days! Specially Masoud who is rather the opponents' 12th player. I mean even as number 22 and 23, he could have had included 2 youngsters in order for them to get TM experience instead. Shekari and Kaveh Rezaei are 2 that comes to mind. or why not Delfi and Allahyar Sayyad?
                In terms of experience we have enough with Haji Safi and Ansarifard. Also it is time new players take more responsibility when it comes to that. Jahanbakhsh and Pouraliganji are the first 2 that comes to mind. They are not very young anymore.
                Yes he could have invited two of those guys and dropped Ashkan and Shojaie and I would have been fine with that too. But that's not to say that I disagree with the other view of including them. the reason is that TM is going into this tournament as a title contender. We are going there to win the title. and as such, none of the younger guys you mentioned would be able to help us because they are just there for the experience not that they were going to take playing time away from the starters. so they were not going to help. but with Ashkan and Shojaie, they can actually help on the field too, if we needed it. and being that we are going after the title, this makes more sense than taking Sayadmanesh to sit on the bench and run around the pitch in practice.

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                  #53
                  Some of u make it sound as if it's party bazi and someone is doing these guys a favour. Please...do u know how much b.s they have to put up with.

                  Daei (to be commended except for that WC) was not elite fit back in 2006,Shojaie and Dejagah are lean and muscled.

                  Appreciate these 2 beloved players while they are still in TM. I for one am already sad that they are leaving soon.

                  Masoud works in mysterious ways, he is there as a teammate, following CQ's plan.
                  He's not trying to be the star.
                  He's that giving of a person!
                  He's the magic ingredient that binds all the others to make that special sauce.
                  Keep calm and believe in Fairies and Footballers Roxanaz

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                    #54
                    Hopefully Shojaai will not have a bad day as he did when Ghotbi was the coach. I recall screaming at my TV and saying what is wrong with you coach? Sub him out now...he has skills and he has leadership but commits unnecessary fouls sometimes. Anyway by now he must have learned. The Asian teams should be easy to handle for him

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                      #55
                      I would have used Kamyabi nia instead of Shojaai. Dejagah is different story. He is Sohrab if Daei is Rustam

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                        #56
                        Shojaei and Dezhagah bring experience and leadership prowess to the team even if they don't get much playing time. There will be many moments of truth during the tournament that their qualities will come handy be it in the camp, on the bench or on the pitch. CQ knows how to utilize them.

                        Go TM!

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                          #57
                          in absence of the injured Gholizadeh (&likely out for the whole tourney, imo), Massoud Shojaee's inclusion is now well warranted ..! he is the only other technically savvy player we have at our disposal and so long the pace and physicality of the game isnt of a high levels he could well shine and become a key player for us in AC..!! I have a feeling though CQ will end up starting and affording the guy more minutes than he should..!!
                          fully fit and in form Dejagha is still Simply a Class above all other CM's in our squad, especially with Ezzai missing out..!! nonetheless, he hasnt been a full 90min solid performer for TM for quiet a while now and i doubt if he can be now..!!? so again like Massoud his minutes and contributions must be regulated and managed intelligently by CQ, in order to get the best from the two of them..!!

                          in general, i think Carlos should afford Massoud some minutes vs tokhmy, slow opponents, while save Dejagha for somewhat limited contributions vs High Caliber, physical sides and for Marquee matchups in games with a lot on the line ..!

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                            #58
                            Originally posted by NFL View Post
                            but with Ashkan and Shojaie, they can actually help on the field too, if we needed it.
                            I still fail to see how. As said, Masoud is nowadays the opponents' 12th player. If anything they are more of a burden on the field than help.

                            but anyways...here we are....

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                              #59
                              Originally posted by Sly View Post
                              I still fail to see how. As said, Masoud is nowadays the opponents' 12th player. If anything they are more of a burden on the field than help.

                              but anyways...here we are....
                              Ridiculous statement, no way is Shojaei with all of his talent and skills on the ball, the opponents "12th player".

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                                #60
                                Originally posted by BacheLot View Post
                                ... in general, i think Carlos should afford Massoud some minutes vs tokhmy, slow opponents, ...
                                I am not sure if there are any. Yemen tied Saudi Arabia in a friendly earlier in the month, Palestine tied us, India has been investing heavily in the youth program and even hosted a the U-17 FIFA WC, Thailand and Vietnam should never be underestimated, all Arab teams are competitive agains us, Kyrgyzstan has the potential to be the surprise of the tournament and so on ... I don't think CQ and his staff will make any such assumptions. Now, you have a point that there are weaker opponents that we SHOULD defeat and there are marquee opponents that will be hard to beat (we still should ) but I don't know about 'tokhmy, slow'.

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