QUEIROZ vs BRANCO Discussion!

[tooleh khers]

It's not fair to simply state, "with Branko we finished 3rd, with CQ we finished 6th" without even considering the reasons why.

That's a 3rd place finish with several players playing in the top 4 leagues in Europe, and we still barely qualified out of our group with last minute tie against Oman, and couldn't beat China in 90 minutes 11 on 11, then we lost to them on penalties.

CQ had a couple players playing in low European leagues, and lost to Iraq after a very harsh red card and poor refereeing. Branko only made it one stage further with much better players, and couldn't even beat China 11 on 11. - You can't just look at this and say "3rd vs. 6th"


Are you actually implying that Iran played better in the 2006 World Cup than in 2014??? - AGAIN, you're just stating facts without reasons as to why this happened.

In 2006, we got ONE POINT, against ANGOLA, and we had to equalize from a corner to get it. - our other opponents were Mexico and Portugal, who smacked us in both matches, and completely outplayed us.
In 2014 we got one point against a much stronger Nigeria, and barely lost to Argentina via 90 minute magic from the best player in the world. We lost to Boznia 3-1 cuz we had to go all out to win by multiple goals at that point - Still no worse of a result than Branko's matches.

We probably only finished in a better position in 2006 because there were a bunch of other teams who didn't even get 1 point in group stages, so they obviously fell below us. - Does this make Branko's World Cup more successful than CQ's??? Come on


15 VS 28th in rankings means so much, right? This 15th placed team barely got a point against Angola. Rankings mean nothing, especially when you're losing to teams like Jordan.


These stats are ridiculous and this chart was obviously made by someone who just has a hate on for CQ, and conveniently leaves out all the facts between the lines to make Branko look better.

I love how it mentions nothing about:

CQ - 4 points against Morocco, Portugal, and Spain VS Branko - 1 point against Angola, Portugal, and Mexico.
CQ - 2 world cups in a row for first time in Iran's history VS Branko - 1 world cup and wasn't good enough to stick around for another
CQ - WORLD RECORD 12 matches without conceding a goal VS Branko - no special record, conceding goals on a regular basis, even against Jordan, Oman, Bahrain.
CQ - Iran defeats S. Korea and finishes ahead of them in 2014 and 2018 VS Branko - Clearly 2nd best to Japan in qualifiers, and barely making the final round of qualification after losing to teams like Jordan, etc.


Even just watching TM, clearly shows how much more organized they are.

The results in his matches are all there, and are a much better indication of his performance as opposed to a bias, skewed report, making it seem like Branko had better results, without actually showing his match results LOLLL.
Branko isn't even a quarter of CQ, and CQ is clearly the greatest coach we've ever had.

Yes its not fair to pretend like CQ is the only one who got the short end of the stick. In 2004 actually we got more robbed than we did in 2015. Branko's team had Zareh sent off for Chinese player diving and had a clear red not given on a foul from behind on Karimi. In 1996 we were clearly the best team and played the best football in UAE. Were robbed a clean goal and a 100% penalty on Ali Daei. But no one but us remembers these incidents all is remembered is Saudi won the cup and we finished 3rd.

People keep throwing around Angola but forget that Angola beat some African powerhouses to get to the world cup and lost only by 1 goal to what is probably the best Portuguese team ever and tied Mexico. I am not implying it is a fact. We finished 25th in 2006 but finished 28th in 2014. We had one of the worst performances and stats in world cup history against Nigeria. About the players at the disposal of both coaches we have been over this! CQ had the most legionaries and the most depth of any Iranian team.

If you watch any game now vs 2006 TM you will see a much more fluid and offensive game in 2006. We regularly put 20-30 passes in row where now we get 11 passes in one half. I am also a fan of TM and now its coach. I value what CQ has done and wish him all the best but when people exaggerate and go against all facts and numbers one cannot sit by and tolerate. Specially when you have some time on your hands lol. Anyways you are entitled to your opinion but you need to perform some funky mathematics to justify it.

[tooleh khers]

If his argument is based on stats then this is a pretty embarrassing mistaken claim he's made...

As I say, perhaps we deserve what we get next if we are this namak nashnass and can't differentiate a bad coach from a good one.

She has not made any embarrassing mistakes. Whatever we get next I hope He performs above and exceeds our expectations.

[tooleh khers]

There is no discussion here, Branko's a decent coach but CQ is miles ahead in almost every aspect.

[persiangodfather]

Its nice that they let you online in the mental hospital

[tooleh khers]

Its nice that they let you online in the mental hospital

I would not hire a Real estate agent who cannot read and understand numbers.

[persiangodfather]

I would not hire a Real estate agent who cannot read and understand numbers.

Sometimes the numbers do not represent everything that is going on.
There are so many point about why CQ is 100 times better then branco but here are my basic ones for you.

#1 Discipline. Trouble makers such as Rahmati Aghilli Jabbari were kicked out of the team. CQ wants the team 1st mentality. Branco kissed daeis ass and kept playing him at CF when he needed a wheel chair, That pissed Karimi off so much and ruined our 2006 World cup. Lack of discipline is what led to mirzapour and Rahmatis mistake vs Mexico.

#2 Stamina. we play a complete game every single time. We run for 90 mins Example. 90th min goal vs Morocco, Taremi missed a sitter vs Portugal in 90th, Taremi had a header vs Spain in the 80th min could have tied it

#3 we play tough teams. Argentina, Bosnia, Portugal Morocco . Speaking of that, didnt Branko play Portugal in 2006? Here is a number for you. we lost 2-0.. CQ plays portugal, we tie 1-1 and actually almost win.

#4 look at how CQ has owned S Korea/ Under Branko playing Korea was a nightmare

The list goes on and on, and Frankly I think you are just doing this on purpose to make people upset. its clear that cq is a better coach. And the number under Branko are baloney. The real numbers count at the world cup, and to some extent asian cup. remember Branko said after we lost to Mexico. '' Iranians should be happy to be in the world cup''

[tooleh khers]

Sometimes the numbers do not represent everything that is going on.
There are so many point about why CQ is 100 times better then branco but here are my basic ones for you.

#1 Discipline. Trouble makers such as Rahmati Aghilli Jabbari were kicked out of the team. CQ wants the team 1st mentality. Branco kissed daeis ass and kept playing him at CF when he needed a wheel chair, That pissed Karimi off so much and ruined our 2006 World cup. Lack of discipline is what led to mirzapour and Rahmatis mistake vs Mexico.

#2 Stamina. we play a complete game every single time. We run for 90 mins Example. 90th min goal vs Morocco, Taremi missed a sitter vs Portugal in 90th, Taremi had a header vs Spain in the 80th min could have tied it

#3 we play tough teams. Argentina, Bosnia, Portugal Morocco . Speaking of that, didnt Branko play Portugal in 2006? Here is a number for you. we lost 2-0.. CQ plays portugal, we tie 1-1 and actually almost win.

#4 look at how CQ has owned S Korea/ Under Branko playing Korea was a nightmare

The list goes on and on, and Frankly I think you are just doing this on purpose to make people upset. its clear that cq is a better coach. And the number under Branko are baloney. The real numbers count at the world cup, and to some extent Asian cup. remember Branko said after we lost to Mexico. '' Iranians should be happy to be in the world cup''

None of these matter if it does not yield results. CQ has under achieved with Iran. If he wins the Asian cup for example that will change everything and I will be one of the first praising him. Also discipline has its good points and bad points. One negative is it stifles creativity and talent from shining.

[persiangodfather]

None of these matter if it does not yield results. CQ has under achieved with Iran. If he wins the Asian cup for example that will change everything and I will be one of the first praising him. Also discipline has its good points and bad points. One negative is it stifles creativity and talent from shining.

What results did Branko have? Yes we made semi final in Asian cup. In my book if you dont win, then you might as well exit in the group stage. Same shit 3rd place as last place.

Yes we qualified for world cup but after a horrible showing at the world cup, he wasnt man enough to come to Iran even tho he was such a sweetheart. Speaking of Wastign Talent, Didnt Branko bench Borhani who was on fire for a 38 yr old Daei???

Also CQ has results. 1st world cup win in 20 years. 1st clean sheet in world cup . 1st coach to qualify us back to back. 1st place in Asia, less goals ever conceeded in qualifying. 2 goals conceeded. Yes Cq has had very very important results that you dont appreciate or account for. But they all refer to the world cup and not useless waff games

[tooleh khers]

What results did Branko have? Yes we made semi final in Asian cup. In my book if you dont win, then you might as well exit in the group stage. Same shit 3rd place as last place.

Yes we qualified for world cup but after a horrible showing at the world cup, he wasnt man enough to come to Iran even tho he was such a sweetheart. Speaking of Wastign Talent, Didnt Branko bench Borhani who was on fire for a 38 yr old Daei???

Also CQ has results. 1st world cup win in 20 years. 1st clean sheet in world cup . 1st coach to qualify us back to back. 1st place in Asia, less goals ever conceeded in qualifying. 2 goals conceeded. Yes Cq has had very very important results that you dont appreciate or account for. But they all refer to the world cup and not useless waff games

Please stop it I am sure everyone is starting to hate me by now and I might be on the edge of getting banned for re-posting the same thing over and over. Back to back thing is over played IMO. He was the only coach given the opportunity, other coaches cannot be faulted for this. Morocco win was due to an own goal. We finished 6th with CQ losing to ISIS. He has not delivered. He says so himself. He needs to pay back our love and hospitality and investment with a trophy after all these years.

[sam20]

Yes its not fair to pretend like CQ is the only one who got the short end of the stick. In 2004 actually we got more robbed than we did in 2015. Branko's team had Zareh sent off for Chinese player diving and had a clear red not given on a foul from behind on Karimi. In 1996 we were clearly the best team and played the best football in UAE. Were robbed a clean goal and a 100% penalty on Ali Daei. But no one but us remembers these incidents all is remembered is Saudi won the cup and we finished 3rd.
People keep throwing around Angola but forget that Angola beat some African powerhouses to get to the world cup and lost only by 1 goal to what is probably the best Portuguese team ever and tied Mexico. I am not implying it is a fact. We finished 25th in 2006 but finished 28th in 2014. We had one of the worst performances and stats in world cup history against Nigeria. About the players at the disposal of both coaches we have been over this! CQ had the most legionaries and the most depth of any Iranian team.
If you watch any game now vs 2006 TM you will see a much more fluid and offensive game in 2006. We regularly put 20-30 passes in row where now we get 11 passes in one half. I am also a fan of TM and now its coach. I value what CQ has done and wish him all the best but when people exaggerate and go against all facts and numbers one cannot sit by and tolerate. Specially when you have some time on your hands lol. Anyways you are entitled to your opinion but you need to perform some funky mathematics to justify it.

EDITED:

You're entitled to your own opinion as well, of course, and i mean everything i say with respect.

However, the funky mathematics is in this ridiculously biased chart made by a Branko fan, which simply ignores way too many factors.


CQ didn't have ONE SINGLE player playing in a top league in 2014, still got better results (Tying Nigeria, who were stronger than Angola, and barely lost to the best Argentina team for the past 3 world cups, at least)
Nigeria 2014 was stronger than Angola from 2006. They Beat Bosnia, Barely lost to Argentina 3-2 (Messi Magic again) and made it to the round of 16. Where did Angola go? They barely got 2 points in the group, and 1 of them was VS Branko's Iran.

Once again, this stat that we finished 28th in 2014 is simply ignoring reality: Both coaches got one point, and the other finished 3 spots ahead, which means it was only down to other teams being even worse in 2006, so this is simply not a valid point when comparing Branko VS CQ in 2006 & 2014.


I agree we definitely got robbed in 2004 but in 2015 we got an early red card against Iraq as well, and didn't fail to beat teams like Oman. Also, we simply played much more organized football.


I've been following TM for several years, and did watch us regularly in 2006. I sounds like you enjoyed watching Branko's team more than CQ, because we played more offensively, and attractively. - I 100% agree with this, when it comes to attacking, but not defending. Defending under Branko was atrocious.
Also, when you play a defensive, counter attack style game, you will not control the majority of the possession, so of course you won't be stringing as many passes together, but we've all seen how incredibly effective CQ's team is on the counter. They get up field lightning fast with 2 or 3 passes, and score.

Even if we played more attacking football in 2006, what does it matter if we got scored on regularly, and struggled against Arab countries?


No coach goes into his training sessions and decides a strategy based on how people want to be entertained when watching TM on television. They create strategy to win results, which Carlos Queiroz has clearly done better with than Branko. It's undeniable.

Personally, i'd rather have a team that gets consistently positive results, doesn't concede ONE SINGLE GOAL FOR 12 MATCHES STRAIGHT, and almost tops a group with Morocco, Portugal, and Spain VS a team that always attacks, but can't defend, or beat Arab nations, despite having well established Bundesliga and Serie A stars on the field.



Regarding the players at each coaches disposal:

CQ: About 5 - 6 players in the starting lineup that played in Europe, and not ONE SINGLE PLAYER IN A TOP LEAGUE - Yes, he did have a couple more Euro-based players on the bench, but again, in MUCH weaker leagues, and some of them barely played any part / no part at all in 2018.

Branko: 5 starting Euro-based players - Karimi, Mahdavikia, Zandi, Hashemian - 4 players who were top players for their clubs in one of the STRONGEST LEAGUES IN THE WORLD, BUNDESLIGA, WITH ONE OF THEM PLAYING FOR BAYERN MUNICH + Rahman Rezaei (Starter, and star defender for his club in the Serie A, which was the best defensive league in the world by far at the time.)

Overall, Branko still had a much stronger squad, and was still completely outplayed.

Also, have you considered why CQ's team had more Euro-based players overall? - It's because he had the balls to speak up and tell players that if they aren't aiming to improve in Europe, their chances of starting will go down. CQ is the sole reason why Iran sent more players abroad, and this is now helping our team even more. - This once again, shows why CQ is so much better than Branko, and has had a way more positive impact on our team.

[persiangodfather]

Please stop it I am sure everyone is starting to hate me by now and I might be on the edge of getting banned for re-posting the same thing over and over. Back to back thing is over played IMO. He was the only coach given the opportunity, other coaches cannot be faulted for this. Morocco win was due to an own goal. We finished 6th with CQ losing to ISIS. He has not delivered. He says so himself. He needs to pay back our love and hospitality and investment with a trophy after all these years.

Lol I am giving you hard core facts and you dont want to acknowledge them

[tooleh khers]

^^ I am an engineer your words mean nothing. Only numbers matter.

[persiangodfather]

^^ I am an engineer your words mean nothing. Only numbers matter.

Lol okay now I understand, I had to do business with an engineer a few months ago, What I realize that you like to waste so much time because you are paid by the hour or a salary. When you work in a results based business we just focus on results.
PS I hope you do not get banned
Respect, We are Iranians and must look out for eachother
But keep in mind if 1000 People are telling you cq is better, and you are the only 1 saying no Branko is better. Maybe you should consider it

[sam20]

What results did Branko have? Yes we made semi final in Asian cup. In my book if you dont win, then you might as well exit in the group stage. Same shit 3rd place as last place.

Yes we qualified for world cup but after a horrible showing at the world cup, he wasnt man enough to come to Iran even tho he was such a sweetheart. Speaking of Wastign Talent, Didnt Branko bench Borhani who was on fire for a 38 yr old Daei???

Also CQ has results. 1st world cup win in 20 years. 1st clean sheet in world cup . 1st coach to qualify us back to back. 1st place in Asia, less goals ever conceeded in qualifying. 2 goals conceeded. Yes Cq has had very very important results that you dont appreciate or account for. But they all refer to the world cup and not useless waff games

Thank you for this. I couldn't agree more.

LOLL Daei playing in the 2006 world cup WAS INSANELY CRIMINAL, and screwed our team over COMPLETELY.

Just imagine: you're going to a WORLD CUP and you're COMPLETELY wasting the pinnacle of your attack, by playing a 37 year old, who literally looked like he was jogging compared to everyone else.

Daei is a legend, but was waaaayyyy too old, out of shape, and SIMPLY HORRIBLE leading up to the 2006 world cup, and anyone who objectively watched TM without any biased towards Daie, would literally laugh and be baffled that he was even on the pitch.


Just a mistake like that alone, shows that Branko is simply way below CQ in terms of man management.

The fact that this thread even exists honestly boggles my mind.

[mistermo]

They make this bullcrap for naive people like you