Round of 16 - Day 3 [AFC Asian Cup 2019] - Date, Time, & Live Updates

[Saam]

That one Team missed their European based players is not a criteria to define whether the match was a friendly or not.

In different sides like:
-https://www.11v11.com/teams/iraq/tab/opposingTeams/opposition/Iran/
-https://int.soccerway.com/teams/iraq/iraq/1179/matches/

counting the game between Iran-Iraq under closed doors as an official friendly game.


- Why should i be "difficult" on purpose? We have here a normal discussion nothing more ( at least from my
point of view).

it doesn't matter what these unofficial websites count it as. FIFA didn't count it as an official game. And no you're wrong, it matters for us because all our best players play in Europe or some in Qatar, etc. If it's our C team playing against Iraq then it wouldn't be an official game, and neither federation (including Iraq's) counted it as such. The fact that you don't understand this and are still pushing the extremely weak argument that it was an official game means you're either a) an Iraq fan, or b) you're trying to be difficult on purpose

[Philosophy_King]

- Qatar just beat Iraq in the Round of 16 and like Iraq, finished as one of the bottom teams in the WCQ.
- Uzbeks made it to the Playoffs in 2014 World Cup qualifiers (Iraq finished last in their group). They also finished in Round of 16 exist (better than Iraq cause they went to extra time and penalties) in this year's Asian Cup. They finished ahead of them in last World Cup qualifiers - they had 13 pts, 11 pts for Iraq.
- Saudi Arabia doesn't have a bigger history than Iraq? Are you serious?
- UAE finished ahead of Iraq in the last World Cup qualifiers (same group) AND they are going to the Quarter Finals in this Asian Cup. They have performed better.

Problem is - facts speak different than your own psychological thinking. Iraq is just not really good outside the Asian Cup (thus far), and even outside the 2007, they needed the biggest refereeing blunder perhaps in Asian CUp history (vs. Iran) to get to the Semi Finals last time.

Well, lets take Qatar. Yes they defeat Iraq in this competition and playing nice football. But again they never win the Asian Cup, but Iraq did ( and their country
was under war). AC 2004 Qatar was out in group stage (finished last), AC 2007 Qatarwas out in group stage finished last, AC 2011 Qatar made it till the QF, AC 2015 Qatar
was out in the group stage and finished last with 0 points.

Lets have a look at Qatars WCQ campaign 2014, they defeat twice Lebanon and drew us once. BUT lost than all other games against TM, Korea and UZB.
Keep in mind that they lost 4-1 to Korea and 5-1 to Uzbeks! Iraq was at the bottom of their table but they never got screwed like Qatar. So Iraq finish last and Qatar finished better
than Lebanon and made 2 more points than iraq but with an much worse goal difference. Is this an indicator now that Qatar is second-tier and Iraq third-tier?

Lets have look on Qatars WCQ campaign 2018, they finished last in our goup with 7 points. Iraq finished before Thailand with 11p. Iraq not just had more points
but also a better goal difference than Qatar.

So yes, your are right facts speaking for themselves and they showing us that Qatar didnt do better in Iraq at all.


Were did i say that KSA has no bigger history than iraq?? I was questioning you because you put them with UAE, Uzb and Qatar
in second-tier Teams. so i have to ask you, does KSA have the same history glory as these Teams!?
If you check my recent post i recognize KSA as Asian Giants!

UAE did better last World Cup but nothing more. Iraq is def. more successfull than them.

[Tehranto]

Well, lets take Qatar. Yes they defeat Iraq in this competition and playing nice football. But again they never win the Asian Cup, but Iraq did ( and their country
was under war). AC 2004 Qatar was out in group stage (finished last), AC 2007 Qatarwas out in group stage finished last, AC 2011 Qatar made it till the QF, AC 2015 Qatar
was out in the group stage and finished last with 0 points.
Lets have a look at Qatars WCQ campaign 2014, they defeat twice Lebanon and drew us once. BUT lost than all other games against TM, Korea and UZB.
Keep in mind that they lost 4-1 to Korea and 5-1 to Uzbeks! Iraq was at the bottom of their table but they never got screwed like Qatar.
.

OK man, you are clearly an Iraqi fan, as Nokhodi said. Sorry that your team is out - 4 more years, yalla.

Iraq was lucky not to get 2 red cards today and they were lucky against us b/c of Ben Williams. They seem to always be getting the benefit of the doubt ...

They also have the biggest age fraud scheme in all of Asia, which cost us a championship just a couple of years ago with the U16s. Even now, all of their players are represented as being younger than they actually are.

So please spare us that they are victims.

[Philosophy_King]

OK man, you are clearly an Iraqi fan, as Nokhodi said. Sorry that your team is out - 4 more years, yalla.
Iraq was lucky not to get 2 red cards today and they were lucky against us b/c of Ben Williams. They seem to always be getting the benefit of the doubt ...
They also have the biggest age fraud scheme in all of Asia, which cost us a championship just a couple of years ago with the U16s. Even now, all of their players are represented as being younger than they actually are.
So please spare us that they are victims.

Wow Tehranto, that you get so emotional and personal, i just wanted to discuss things.
I am an Iraqi-fan? You know too good that i am not. But even if i dont like Teams i try to
judge them objectively.
Khube yekam sabur va manteghi basroo tamum kon va na ba ehsasad.

[MucizeLions1992]

You really think Japs can beat us?? now? with their young team that struggled throughout ...Not a good bet IMO!

Come on. We are not unbeatable. We looked maybe the most solid team so far but that doesn't mean anything. I believe Japan did so far only the necessary to get by. I judge them on a few pre-tournament performances like their emphatic 4-3 win against Uruguay. Don't look at the scoreline. It was flattering for Uruguay. It was basically this squad. So without Honda, Kagawa, Okazaki and Hasebe. These guys are talented and can be a pain in the ass for our Defense. I don't want to jinx it but it's 50:50 at best for Teammelli against Japan.

[Surenas]

As I said - they are a overachieving Asian Cup team. They are a tournament team, they constantly are at bottom of the table in the World Cup qualifiers and their friendlies are not really impressive (until recently). They lost 4-0 to Argentina's 2nd/3rd team.

Here is the list based on evidence:

1st Tier: Iran, Australia, S. Korea, Japan
2nd Tier: Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Uzbekistan
3rd Tier: Iraq et al.

Sorry, but UAE better than Iraq? They're really really bad especially in this Cup.

[Tehranto]

Sorry, but UAE better than Iraq? They're really really bad especially in this Cup.

I agree visually you are right. But results wise, they are ahead of them. Case in point, last WC Qualifiers and this Asian Cup. Results do not lie.

[Philosophy_King]

it doesn't matter what these unofficial websites count it as. FIFA didn't count it as an official game. And no you're wrong, it matters for us because all our best players play in Europe or some in Qatar, etc. If it's our C team playing against Iraq then it wouldn't be an official game, and neither federation (including Iraq's) counted it as such. The fact that you don't understand this and are still pushing the extremely weak argument that it was an official game means you're either a) an Iraq fan, or b) you're trying to be difficult on purpose

Bro everything is fine, no need to be mad on me, i just asked. Anyways lets move on its unnecessary
discussion here! Best wished to you all, cheers.

[Saam]

Come on. We are not unbeatable. We looked maybe the most solid team so far but that doesn't mean anything. I believe Japan did so far only the necessary to get by. I judge them on a few pre-tournament performances like their emphatic 4-3 win against Uruguay. Don't look at the scoreline. It was flattering for Uruguay. It was basically this squad. So without Honda, Kagawa, Okazaki and Hasebe. These guys are talented and can be a pain in the ass for our Defense. I don't want to jinx it but it's 50:50 at best for Teammelli against Japan.

It's not 50-50 "at best" for us, it's 50-50 at best for them. We are still the favorites against them because we have kept our same team since the World Cup and they are going through a generational change. We have more stability so I would give us the slight edge with a great chance for them to beat us as well. 60-40. It will be our most difficult match of the tournament if it happens. I think Iran and Japan are on a different level from all the other teams.

[Saam]

Bro everything is fine, no need to be mad on me, i just asked. Anyways lets move on its unnecessary
discussion here! Best wished to you all, cheers.

I'm not mad at you, just pointing out some facts. I never said Iraq is a bad team and I don't agree that they are third tier. They are second tier with Saudi and Uzbekistan but they are nowhere near the level of Iran.

[Surenas]

I agree visually you are right. But results wise, they are ahead of them. Case in point, last WC Qualifiers and this Asian Cup. Results do not lie.

Dude, they won through a bogus penalty against the secret force in football Kyrgyzstan...
I bet with you Iraq would beat UAE.

[Iran_19]

Bassam Hisham who scored the winner for Qatar today is an Iraqi who moved to Qatar from young age, had the choice to play for both countries but decided to play for Qatar. I guess his dad played for Iraq.

[diz]

Bassam Hisham who scored the winner for Qatar today is an Iraqi who moved to Qatar from young age, had the choice to play for both countries but decided to play for Qatar. I guess his dad played for Iraq.

Wow, talk about split loyalties. I guess he chose the right side! Must have been a tough decision, similar to the Aussie Iranian lad.

[Club monaco]

Iran v Australia would be the best bet for us...UAE is the weakest of all but you dont want to face host greedy nation cup holder

[diz]