Qatar vs Japan Match Thread

[SOLEIMAN]

Whilst Qatar is doing everything right with investing heavily in their grassroot football, something tells me this is a One Hit Wonder team, the Greece of Euro 2004. Because we all know Arabs just don’t have great football in their DNA.
The Saudis also invest heavily into their football and as we see time and time again, they absolutely suck.

yes it is well known fact that arabs are smelly and suck at football!

[OFFSIDE_1]

same coach beat gutter in friendlies and competitive encounters multiple times..!including a 2-1 victory in friendly right before the AC..!
How can you blame him for the absolute mental meltdown prior to our first goal...! you dont think that sport ministry's Perpetual lack of $upport for TM/IFF pre-tournament and IR Cronies in SedaSima and on the ground starting the rift between PP and TM and feeding the fires between the 2 most popular footballing sides pre and during the tournament had Something to do with that colossal mental meltdown..!?? how about sport ministry's unreasonable Demand to Win or Bust ?? while at the same time not support the preparatory program designed by the head-coach to deliver on that stiff demands...!! you dont think that had anything to do with putting our players on the edge and all stressed out..??
i mean WTF is carlos to do..? he hired the best Dr. in the business to help take the edge off....! he even stirred shitt up shitt in media with his interview to further target those Self-destructive efforts towards himself than his team and he constantly tried to play down the Favorite characterization of TM by our and asian media for the same purpose..!!
think a little deeper and see what was the true source of our demise ....!! if you still think CQ was the problem then your thoughts are pretty much in-line with the vast majority of our football fans, which are the domestic TM/club fans..!! most all are victim of the negative media campaign surrounding them and cant see beyond that ....or your running a different agenda..?

khob right after i wrote this i came across this thread.... bebin o befahm who is really responsible for our football failures..!!

http://www.persianfootball.com/forum...leased-tonight

He believes CQ and Mayeli Kohan are of the same caliber.

[sooskmar]

yes it is well known fact that arabs are smelly and suck at football!

Unnecessary.

[perspolis#1]

Well I don’t want to
Make this political, but why do you think qatar is so isolated by its neighbors, the spend a lot of money in Gaza for
Hamas and the Muslim brotherhood. I don’t know if you’ve been to Qatar, but as someone who travels regularly to Doha, we can have a detailed discussion in the general thrend about the definition of a Pharia state.

Lets skirt the politics section of it but moral of the story is they spent plenty of money for themselves first. They went from a desert to advanced in a few years, set up academies with European investment as well.

In football, if you dont bring business or have incentive to be invested in you are a pariah anyway.

That trash Chinese forward Wu Lei got into Espanyol. You are telling me he is better than any od our first 5 choice forwards??

Qatar made it attractive for Europeans to come in (Persian Gulf Arab countries dont help football themselves) and they got to here today.

When we cant spend money to feed Iranian kids and would rather send them to Arab "nations" its pure stupidity. Iranian postschool athletics > food for Syrians. No contest

[Leicester City]

Montekhab Qatar!!!

[maly3648]

This result honestly makes me wonder how the hell we lost to Japan..

I am sorry to reply that probably, your genuine knowledge of football is quite low.
High level football is about details. The match between Japan and Iran was decided on an idiotic detail due to the emotional mindset of some iranian players. This was quite awkward as they didn't show any emotions playing at world cup, for whatever reason, in this cup, they were probably pressured to win, which wasn't the case at world cup. Japan wasn't "stronger" than Iran from a pure football perspective, it was definitely a mental win from Japan but mental at the highest level is part of the game.
About this match, Qatar played "transcendental", they have showed a level which was beyond anything seen in Asia, especially in first half and Japan played their regular level, which wasn't enough. Add on top of that 2 goals coming from another planet in the first 30 minutes and this explains the win from Qatar. Again, the match was played on details and these details played on favor of Qatar as it did in favor of Japan against us.
In conclusion, this Japanese team was solid, consistent, extremely well balanced and definitely mentally way above all other teams. These guys fight like Samurais.
Iran had the best team this year, unfortunately, a tiny detail costed us the cup as i am sure, the match against Qatar would have been a different story had Qatar played us.

[orbicular]

It’s all to do with the fact that they are not scared of japan. All of our players post match interviews said “we were aiming to not concede a goal against japan” for f**k sakes when are we going to grow some balls and stop acting like underdogs with these teams. Khak too saremoon.

There are some other factors to bear in mind. I believe our team's performance was, especially during the last phase,, a reflection of the coach's mood and mindset. Carlos Queiroz, arguably the best Iran national team manager, was by the end physically and emotionally spent. And I believe the news that authorities had opted not to extend his contract was the last straw. You could even see it in his demeanor and even the comments he made about the team. (His criticism of his team, in view of the fact that they had won the game, seemed uncharacteristically harsh after they nearly conceded a penalty against Oman during the first minute.) Understandably, upon learning that he was not to be rewarded after years of hard work and loyalty, he lost some of the passion and zeal that has always characterized his work ethic and leadership style. Yet true to form, he still managed to soldier on, and if it weren't for an amateurish mistake on the part of some players during Japan game, he could have well taken the trophy back to Iran.

In this environment, Iran's loss to Japan was precipitated by lapses in judgment that I believe were rooted in players' diminished confidence. These problems were also compounded by inadequate preparation and planning, particularly lack of challenging friendlies that are precisely designed to prevent these types of mental breakdowns during difficult games . So you have a series of mishaps that kept feeding on each other, with the bureaucratic wrangling at the top exacerbated by dire financial woes ultimately manifesting itself in subpar performances on the field. Under these circumstances, it is a miracle that the team was even able come out victorious against Oman and China, a testament to Queiroz and the players' tenacity and fighting spirit under all forms of adversity.

[caligula]

There are some other factors to bear in mind. I believe our team's performance was, especially during the last phase,, a reflection of the coach's mood and mindset. Carlos Queiroz, arguably the best Iran national team manager, was by the end physically and emotionally spent. And I believe the news that authorities had opted not to extend his contract was the last straw. You could even see it in his demeanor and even the comments he made about the team. (His criticism of his team, in view of the fact that they had won the game, seemed uncharacteristically harsh after they nearly conceded a penalty against Oman during the first minute.) Understandably, upon learning that he was not to be rewarded after years of hard work and loyalty, he lost some of the passion and zeal that has always characterized his work ethic and leadership style. Yet true to form, he still managed to soldier on, and if it weren't for an amateurish mistake on the part of some players during Japan game, he could have well taken the trophy back to Iran.

In this environment, Iran's loss to Japan was precipitated by lapses in judgment that I believe were rooted in players' diminished confidence. These problems were also compounded by inadequate preparation and planning, particularly lack of challenging friendlies that are precisely designed to prevent these types of mental breakdowns during difficult games . So you have a series of mishaps that kept feeding on each other, with the bureaucratic wrangling at the top exacerbated by dire financial woes ultimately manifesting itself in subpar performances on the field. Under these circumstances, it is a miracle that the team was even able come out victorious against Oman and China, a testament to Queiroz and the players' tenacity and fighting spirit under all forms of adversity.

great observation

[Roxanaz80]

There are some other factors to bear in mind. I believe our team's performance was, especially during the last phase,, a reflection of the coach's mood and mindset. Carlos Queiroz, arguably the best Iran national team manager, was by the end physically and emotionally spent. And I believe the news that authorities had opted not to extend his contract was the last straw. You could even see it in his demeanor and even the comments he made about the team. (His criticism of his team, in view of the fact that they had won the game, seemed uncharacteristically harsh after they nearly conceded a penalty against Oman during the first minute.) Understandably, upon learning that he was not to be rewarded after years of hard work and loyalty, he lost some of the passion and zeal that has always characterized his work ethic and leadership style. Yet true to form, he still managed to soldier on, and if it weren't for an amateurish mistake on the part of some players during Japan game, he could have well taken the trophy back to Iran.
In this environment, Iran's loss to Japan was precipitated by lapses in judgment that I believe were rooted in players' diminished confidence. These problems were also compounded by inadequate preparation and planning, particularly lack of challenging friendlies that are precisely designed to prevent these types of mental breakdowns during difficult games . So you have a series of mishaps that kept feeding on each other, with the bureaucratic wrangling at the top exacerbated by dire financial woes ultimately manifesting itself in subpar performances on the field. Under these circumstances, it is a miracle that the team was even able come out victorious against Oman and China, a testament to Queiroz and the players' tenacity and fighting spirit under all forms of adversity.

Tremendous Orbicular.

Heartbreaking warriors.
The sky would be the limit for these players if circumstances were atleast 80% favourable.

[Ali Doust]

One thing I noticed about Team Melli matches compared to other teams playing each other is, the level of intensity. TM plays high intensity and forces opponents to raise theirs also. Other teams when playing, they play a much more subtle game. Allows players to play their own normal game and not on the edge compared to matches vs us. Great example for us was Majid Hosseini games in this tournament. For all of us who have followed him this season in the Turkish league, we can all say how comfortable he looks playing his role and always seems very poised. on the contrary in this tournament he seemed over the edge which led to some crucial mistakes.

[orbicular]

No doubt, Roxanaz80. The love for the game and talent are there. The mental lapses that we have noticed in the last 2 Asian Cups are a function of poor foundation and resources. Give the players the necessary tools, and they can create miracles.

[perspolis#1]

One thing I noticed about Team Melli matches compared to other teams playing each other is, the level of intensity. TM plays high intensity and forces opponents to raise theirs also. Other teams when playing, they play a much more subtle game. Allows players to play their own normal game and not on the edge compared to matches vs us. Great example for us was Majid Hosseini games in this tournament. For all of us who have followed him this season in the Turkish league, we can all say how comfortable he looks playing his role and always seems very poised. on the contrary in this tournament he seemed over the edge which led to some crucial mistakes.

This changes based on our opponent. We were even with Japan in intensity but no matter who our coach is I notice that versus European/African teams they press us ridiculously hard. The first 15 minutes of Iran-Morocco and Iran-Nigeria were us getting pressed to death. When I say European teams I mean teams at the Bosnia/Sweden level.

[Roxanaz80]

One thing I noticed about Team Melli matches compared to other teams playing each other is, the level of intensity. TM plays high intensity and forces opponents to raise theirs also. Other teams when playing, they play a much more subtle game. Allows players to play their own normal game and not on the edge compared to matches vs us. Great example for us was Majid Hosseini games in this tournament. For all of us who have followed him this season in the Turkish league, we can all say how comfortable he looks playing his role and always seems very poised. on the contrary in this tournament he seemed over the edge which led to some crucial mistakes.

Agree.
Also feel they would be be able to prioritize and save their energy if they had more friendlies with a whole range of teams regularly. Experience would help them with this problem, they are not at peace, if they could focus on the game only and do things one at a time instead of being bombarded by their emotions, to do list once they get back to Iran,they would save energy. Japan did it.

[43Years&Countin]

43 years...that's a long time...

[beri486]

43 years...that's a long time...

You gotta change your ID next year